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Which outcome are you hoping for with Mueller Investigation?

Which outcome are you hoping for with Mueller Investigation? (Just in General)

  • President Trump is not charged, continues in office

    Votes: 5 5.0%

  • President Trump is forced from office/impeachement

    Votes: 12 11.9%

  • The Truth, no matter the outcome

    Votes: 82 81.2%

  • Other, explain below.

    Votes: 11 10.9%
  • Total voters
    101
No brainer, the truth. Lay all the cards on the table.
 
Tangmo said:
My self ID is Progressive. Think TR and FDR who promoted and improved capitalism. I'm a capitalist but not a Mises fascist. If you have a beef with liberals you'd do better to take it up with them. Liberals and progressives alike are familiar with the right wing strawmen and scarecrows as you present them in the post. We put the torch to 'em each time and you remake 'em each time anyway. Keep trotting 'em out and stick 'em up in the middle of the field.

I reiterate American Conservatives and Libertarian Right ideologues in USA have been Russophiles since Putin became president of Russia the second time. The American Born Russophiles and Putin admirers want the USA to be more like Russia than the other way around. Pointing at your strawmen and scarecrows doesn't change the reality.
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I wasn't conservatives who fell in love with Russia during and after the revolution. It wasn't conservatives who traveled there to experience the worker's Utopia for themselves. Ever see the movie Reds? It was liberals and progressives like yourselves. Claiming conservatives are the ones who admire Putin and want the USA to be like Russia is the real strawman. Your FDR thought very highly of Mussolini and other fascists. Even sent a group to Italy to see how they did it.

Your real blind spot, though, isn't just how you view conservatives, it's ridiculously claiming that because I stated we should be looking into China if we're serious about investigating election meddling, and we should apologize for all the meddling we've done, that somehow that means I admire Putin and want the USA to be like Russia. That is intellectually dishonest. They say blind spots are usually driven by blind hatred. Maybe that's the explanation.
 
Waddy said:
I wasn't conservatives who fell in love with Russia during and after the revolution. It wasn't conservatives who traveled there to experience the worker's Utopia for themselves. Ever see the movie Reds? It was liberals and progressives like yourselves. Claiming conservatives are the ones who admire Putin and want the USA to be like Russia is the real strawman. Your FDR thought very highly of Mussolini and other fascists. Even sent a group to Italy to see how they did it.

Your real blind spot, though, isn't just how you view conservatives, it's ridiculously claiming that because I stated we should be looking into China if we're serious about investigating election meddling, and we should apologize for all the meddling we've done, that somehow that means I admire Putin and want the USA to be like Russia. That is intellectually dishonest. They say blind spots are usually driven by blind hatred. Maybe that's the explanation.
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We're talking about Putin the KGB colonel and his presidency that American Conservatives praised and idealized until two years ago. Libertarian Right types are hand in hand with the vast majority of American Republicans strolling down Putin Lane.

Since Trump came along in the early summer in 2015 the silence by the Right has become deafening as there's been no more open praise of Putin. Putin the Strongman Leader. The focus instead from over there is against the Mueller investigation. Meanwhile the same bunch ignore the cyberwarfare of Russia and Putin against our elections and processes. Or apologize or accepted it all outright. While the CCP Boyz in Beijing are thieves Putin and his FSB are the assailants with their electric prods lurking in the shadows. Trump Him Self has given Putin and the FSB a VIP card free of charge to continue attacking our elections, processes and outcomes.

Putin's assaults against USA elections are welcomed and defended by American Conservatives and their fellow traveler Libertarian Right chums. The reason is obvious and it continues to be blatant, i.e., American Born Russophiles who took a shine to Putin starting a decade ago want the USA to be more like Russia than the other way around.
 
Tangmo said:
We're talking about Putin the KGB colonel and his presidency that American Conservatives praised and idealized until two years ago. Libertarian Right types are hand in hand with the vast majority of American Republicans strolling down Putin Lane.

Since Trump came along in the early summer in 2015 the silence by the Right has become deafening as there's been no more open praise of Putin. Putin the Strongman Leader. The focus instead from over there is against the Mueller investigation. Meanwhile the same bunch ignore the cyberwarfare of Russia and Putin against our elections and processes. Or apologize or accepted it all outright. While the CCP Boyz in Beijing are thieves Putin and his FSB are the assailants with their electric prods lurking in the shadows. Trump Him Self has given Putin and the FSB a VIP card free of charge to continue attacking our elections, processes and outcomes.

Putin's assaults against USA elections are welcomed and defended by American Conservatives and their fellow traveler Libertarian Right chums. The reason is obvious and it continues to be blatant, i.e., American Born Russophiles who took a shine to Putin starting a decade ago want the USA to be more like Russia than the other way around.
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I know of no conservatives that want the USA to turn into Russia. The idea is laughable. However, I do know of many progressives/liberals that admire socialist/communist systems and want to change the USA into a clone of those failed systems. It isn't conservatives visiting and praising Cuba and Venezuela, it's liberals. And Putin's administration is exactly what the Libertarians abhor. They want less government, not more. And a Russia clone definitely means more government. So at least get your ideology straight. Liberals now hate Putin because they believe he helped Trump attain the presidency; and that's the only reason. If not for Putin, Hillary would now be the president; or so the liberal thinking goes. Face it; she was just a bad candidate. She virtually ignored the important states and the issues of the middle class. It wasn't Putin that did her in.
 
Literally every vote here is a vote for "the truth." Everybody just has their own idea of what the truth is. Even votes for the first two options may reflect the voters' beliefs that those results will be the result of the truth.
 
Moderate Right said:
Interesting poll results. I don't think a lot of people on both sides are really being honest. I voted the Truth but want to add this caveat: The investigation should not be a bottomless never ending pit that keeps on expanding and expanding and it should not continue on and on just so the left can use it to their political advantage, which is their main objective.
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Benghazi: 4 years, 0 indictments, 0 gulity pleas, 0 jail sentences.
Clinton emails: 2 years, 0 indictments, 0 guilty pleas, 0 jail sentences.
Mueller investigation: 14 months, 23 indictments, 5 gulity pleas, 1 jail sentence. So far.

Yeah, you'll have to forgive 'the left' for ignoring your whiny little ass on what is and what is acceptable for an investigation to reach it's conclusion. Bye.
 
Renae said:
Which outcome are you hoping for with Mueller Investigation?
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The truth is already out there. Trump is a criminal and should be removed from office. The Mueller Investigation will tell us how bad his crimes are and who was all involved, but he is already very clearly guilty of crimes that warrant impeachment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...396801049ef_story.html?utm_term=.6c372b2d217f

Donald Trump has repeatedly tried to use the power of his office to obstruct the Judicial process. He has already committed worse criminal acts than anything Richard Nixon did yet because the Jury required to convict him is also brimming with people who are happy with his crimes he has not been charged with any of them.
 
Moderate Right said:
The investigation should not be a bottomless never ending pit that keeps on expanding and expanding and it should not continue on and on just so the left can use it to their political advantage, which is their main objective.
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Fair enough. How about we restrict the length and depth of it to be equal to the pointless witch hunt that Republicans used to convince the country that Hillary Clinton was a criminal traitor. That would already allow it to continue well beyond the 2020 election, but if for some reason it doesn't we reserve the right to open the investigation back up 11 days before that elections just for the **** of it.

The Republican party has spent the better part of the last 30 years repeatedly telling everyone in America that the Clinton's are murders, traitors, and brimming with corruption. Yet the only crime they've managed to prove either of them committed was only caused by a fib Bill told to save his marriage from a Republican investigation.
 
MrWonka said:
The truth is already out there. Trump is a criminal and should be removed from office. The Mueller Investigation will tell us how bad his crimes are and who was all involved, but he is already very clearly guilty of crimes that warrant impeachment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...396801049ef_story.html?utm_term=.6c372b2d217f

Donald Trump has repeatedly tried to use the power of his office to obstruct the Judicial process. He has already committed worse criminal acts than anything Richard Nixon did yet because the Jury required to convict him is also brimming with people who are happy with his crimes he has not been charged with any of them.
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Sorry, you're wrong. Like so many other things, you have so much hate in your posts that the truth fles from you.
 
Renae said:
Sorry, you're wrong. Like so many other things, you have so much hate in your posts that the truth files from you.
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Really? That's weird because I just cited an article written by a lawyer who teaches constitutional law and has an extensive background in this exact field of study, and your only reply is essentially to say, "nuh-uh, you're wrong."

Is the evidence that I'm correct really so compelling that you can't even muster up an attempt to rebut it? It's all just Fake News to you, isn't it?
 
Moderate Right said:
Interesting poll results. I don't think a lot of people on both sides are really being honest. I voted the Truth but want to add this caveat: The investigation should not be a bottomless never ending pit that keeps on expanding and expanding and it should not continue on and on just so the left can use it to their political advantage, which is their main objective.
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Which laws that Trump or his cohorts have violated that you think we should look the other way on? The Benghazi investigation went nowhere for 3 years until it switched to Hillary's email-gate, Whitewater went on for over 4 years until it switched to Monica-gate, and Watergate took 2 years before Nixon resigned. How long should Mueller's take?
 
MrWonka said:
Really? That's weird because I just cited an article written by a lawyer who teaches constitutional law and has an extensive background in this exact field of study, and your only reply is essentially to say, "nuh-uh, you're wrong."

Is the evidence that I'm correct really so compelling that you can't even muster up an attempt to rebut it? It's all just Fake News to you, isn't it?
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That is her tribalism speaking. All that matters is that the tribe survives. They have forgotten what it means to be an American. It is hard to come back from that.
 
Waddy said:
I know of no conservatives that want the USA to turn into Russia. The idea is laughable. However, I do know of many progressives/liberals that admire socialist/communist systems and want to change the USA into a clone of those failed systems. It isn't conservatives visiting and praising Cuba and Venezuela, it's liberals. And Putin's administration is exactly what the Libertarians abhor. They want less government, not more. And a Russia clone definitely means more government. So at least get your ideology straight. Liberals now hate Putin because they believe he helped Trump attain the presidency; and that's the only reason. If not for Putin, Hillary would now be the president; or so the liberal thinking goes. Face it; she was just a bad candidate. She virtually ignored the important states and the issues of the middle class. It wasn't Putin that did her in.
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Your posts are a running assault against "liberals" while you present a repeated defense of conservatives, Republicans, Libertarian Right types. You order me to get my ideology right while you live the cold war ideology in the post 2016 election environment. In short your head isn't screwed on straight.

For instance...

You allege liberals "now hate Putin because they believe he helped Trump attain the presidency and that's the only reason." In contrast, you ignore the place and performance of conservatives, other Republicans and the battalion of Libertarian Right types in their support of everything Trump does. Number One that Trump is attempting is to destroy the FBI which since 9/11 and Robert Mueller has been a premier counter intelligence agency in the US national security structure, organization and systems.

You say nothing about the Putin cyber attacks and his electronic warfare against the United States democracy and electoral process and outcomes --the ongoing warfare that Trump encouraged during the campaign and now enables further as Potus.

Your posts ignore the praise, adulation, admiration and emulation of Putin over the past ten years by Republicans, Conservatives, the Libertarian Right crowd. Since Trump emerged early in the 2016 campaign the Triumvirate has gone silent in these respects tactically and strategically. Indeed, Wikileaks has carried on its work of many years from inside Putin's back pocket. The American Born Putinphiles have instead let Trump the Desecrator carry Putin's ball.

There's more...

The bottom line however is that you present yourself as the sole guy who has it right about Trump and everyone else. You're wrong in that. You need rather to give a greater attention to Putin-Trump And Their Fanboyz.
 
I don't know where you get this stuff. Do you just make it up as you go along? Is there a liberal playbook you're reading from?
 
Cardinal said:
Literally every vote here is a vote for "the truth." Everybody just has their own idea of what the truth is. Even votes for the first two options may reflect the voters' beliefs that those results will be the result of the truth.
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That was exactly it. I voted option two, not because I want him impeached and removed, no matter what, but because I do want the truth no matter the outcome, and if he proves out, fine, I just doubt he will.

IDGAF, if he serves time, is criminally charged, for that matter, I actually hope not, even if Mueller's report is bad (though I hope they make him a pauper), IDK that it would do any good, he's an old ass man anyway, and impeachment and removal, if guilty is NECESSARY! We can't just "impeach" if he is guilty, Hell Bill Clinton was over 70% approval at the end of his second term, AFTER impeachment, IIRC. He may never practice law again IDK, am not sure if he lost his law license, but his actual crime was irrelevant to the good of the nation.

If Trump isn't removed, and is guilty of conspiracy, asnd gets to just sail out his term, we might as well just declare all government officials above the law. THis **** just too serious this time, something has to happen if Mueller has the case.....
 
Nilly said:
Benghazi: 4 years, 0 indictments, 0 gulity pleas, 0 jail sentences.
Clinton emails: 2 years, 0 indictments, 0 guilty pleas, 0 jail sentences.
Mueller investigation: 14 months, 23 indictments, 5 gulity pleas, 1 jail sentence. So far.

Yeah, you'll have to forgive 'the left' for ignoring your whiny little ass on what is and what is acceptable for an investigation to reach it's conclusion. Bye.
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Ummmmmmmmmmmm. You forgot about all of those given immunity deals and pleading the fifth.
 
MrWonka said:
Fair enough. How about we restrict the length and depth of it to be equal to the pointless witch hunt that Republicans used to convince the country that Hillary Clinton was a criminal traitor. That would already allow it to continue well beyond the 2020 election, but if for some reason it doesn't we reserve the right to open the investigation back up 11 days before that elections just for the **** of it.

The Republican party has spent the better part of the last 30 years repeatedly telling everyone in America that the Clinton's are murders, traitors, and brimming with corruption. Yet the only crime they've managed to prove either of them committed was only caused by a fib Bill told to save his marriage from a Republican investigation.
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In other words, you did it to us, now we are going to do it to you. Thanks for finally admitting that this witch hunt is nothing but paybacks.
 
iguanaman said:
Which laws that Trump or his cohorts have violated that you think we should look the other way on? The Benghazi investigation went nowhere for 3 years until it switched to Hillary's email-gate, Whitewater went on for over 4 years until it switched to Monica-gate, and Watergate took 2 years before Nixon resigned. How long should Mueller's take?
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Ummmmmmmmm. You forgot about all those who were given immunity deals and pleaded the fifth - all by the deep state.
 
Waddy said:
I don't know where you get this stuff. Do you just make it up as you go along? Is there a liberal playbook you're reading from?
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I don't accept questions around here thx anyway. I have yet to get a legit question or an honest question or a respectable question from you guyz over there. The questions are posturing and that's it. Rightwing posings. Probings sometimes.

Mueller and his team have filings ready to go to the courts as they are and in a moments notice. This is just in case Trump goes off the deep end and issues pink slips. Before or after September 1st. Trump is feeling severe heat at this point but the flame only gets bigger and hotter.

The Sen. Joe McCarthy period was a brutal one while making the point, i.e., Americans who sided with the Soviet Union, Marxism-Leninism and all of that would be hung out to dry. Not every target hit was a deserving citizen so that is the lesson learned, i.e., do it Constitutionally. Democrats are indeed more subtle than the Republican McCarthy and his Republican backers were. Among all the D party candidates out there heading toward November there are likely to be several who will do their own investigating if the D party gains the majority in the House. This would be apart from anything to do with impeachment. A dozen committees of the House conducting hearings beginning in 2019 will expose and hang out to dry the Putinphiles in the government, the society and in the Congress itself. Devin Nunes is one who comes prominently to mind.

And while Joe McCarthy went after the Army which cost him severely, the armed forces commanders are on this side this time. That is, the side of the investigation and the investigators both presently and going forward.
 
Moderate Right said:
Ummmmmmmmmmmm. You forgot about all of those given immunity deals and pleading the fifth.
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What does that have to do with anything? As I recall there was one person who took the fifth and got an immunity deal, and that person did not actually commit a crime themselves they were just scared. In the end, no evidence was brought forwards which warranted a criminal charge for anybody. Nothing.
 
Moderate Right said:
In other words, you did it to us, now we are going to do it to you.
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Nope, in both cases, you're doing it. James Comey was a Republican at the time of the email investigation, and the entire Bengahzi nonsense was instigated by Republicans as well. Robert Mueller is also registered as a Republican. So in all cases, it has been Republicans launching these investigations. The difference is that after six years they found nothing on Clinton that warranted a charge of any kind, whereas just 14 months into the Russian investigation they've already got 23 indictments.
 
mrwonka said:
what does that have to do with anything? As i recall there was one person who took the fifth and got an immunity deal, and that person did not actually commit a crime themselves they were just scared. In the end, no evidence was brought forwards which warranted a criminal charge for anybody. Nothing.
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lol..
 
MrWonka said:
Nope, in both cases, you're doing it. James Comey was a Republican at the time of the email investigation, and the entire Bengahzi nonsense was instigated by Republicans as well. Robert Mueller is also registered as a Republican. So in all cases, it has been Republicans launching these investigations. The difference is that after six years they found nothing on Clinton that warranted a charge of any kind, whereas just 14 months into the Russian investigation they've already got 23 indictments.
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Keep up with the liberal party line doctrine.
 
Tangmo said:
I don't accept questions around here thx anyway. I have yet to get a legit question or an honest question or a respectable question from you guyz over there. The questions are posturing and that's it. Rightwing posings. Probings sometimes.

Mueller and his team have filings ready to go to the courts as they are and in a moments notice. This is just in case Trump goes off the deep end and issues pink slips. Before or after September 1st. Trump is feeling severe heat at this point but the flame only gets bigger and hotter.

The Sen. Joe McCarthy period was a brutal one while making the point, i.e., Americans who sided with the Soviet Union, Marxism-Leninism and all of that would be hung out to dry. Not every target hit was a deserving citizen so that is the lesson learned, i.e., do it Constitutionally. Democrats are indeed more subtle than the Republican McCarthy and his Republican backers were. Among all the D party candidates out there heading toward November there are likely to be several who will do their own investigating if the D party gains the majority in the House. This would be apart from anything to do with impeachment. A dozen committees of the House conducting hearings beginning in 2019 will expose and hang out to dry the Putinphiles in the government, the society and in the Congress itself. Devin Nunes is one who comes prominently to mind.

And while Joe McCarthy went after the Army which cost him severely, the armed forces commanders are on this side this time. That is, the side of the investigation and the investigators both presently and going forward.
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I've finally met a real Joe McCarthy admirer.!!! I've heard about you fella's but never actually seen one. Somehow I knew you all would be liberals. Good luck with the witch hunt. Tailgunner Joe would be sooo proud.
 
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