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Is it Racist or Insensitive to Call MS-13 Gang Members 'Animals'?

Is it Racist or Insensitive to Call MS-13 Gang Members 'Animals'?

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truthatallcost said:
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Democratic Party politicians & their liberal media pals have recently made a big deal over Trump's reference to MS-13 members as 'animals', many of whom are illegal immigrants.

Was Trump's comment racist or insensitive? I say no. Trump was being honest, and voicing the opinion of many in law enforcement and in neighborhoods who actually have contact with gang members.
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Trump hates animals
 
Removable Mind said:
Both Republican and Democrat Politicians perpetually lie - when the truth would better server their best interest - and who also engage in so-called hate speech - IS CONSTITUTIONALLY protected speech. Nobody seems to be concerned about that. Why? It's a First Amendment issue.

Do you support a state ran press and media? That would allow the majority party, or perhaps a given branch in control, control the flow of information that goes out to the American people.
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Completely non sequitur to my posted comment.
 
VanceMack said:
In the name of their hatred of all things Trump, mindless leftist twats have sided with MS13, North Korea, Iran, and HAMAS. Beautiful. Anything to stand in opposition to TTTRRRRUUUUUUUUUUMMMMPPPPPPP!!!!!!
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I hadn't thought of it in that perspective, but you may have observed something quite interesting. They do seem to be protecting/defending all those hateful groups and regimes in their eagerness to trash and bash President Trump. They absolutely are incapable of discussing the thread topic objectively and outside of their hatred of the President. It is a fascinating, if discouraging, syndrome to watch.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I hadn't thought of it in that perspective, but you may have observed something quite interesting. They do seem to be protecting/defending all those hateful groups and regimes in their eagerness to trash and bash President Trump. They absolutely are incapable of discussing the thread topic objectively and outside of their hatred of the President. It is a fascinating, if discouraging, syndrome to watch.
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'Fascinating' is one word that describes their actions. 'Sick' is another.
 
truthatallcost said:
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Democratic Party politicians & their liberal media pals have recently made a big deal over Trump's reference to MS-13 members as 'animals', many of whom are illegal immigrants.

Was Trump's comment racist or insensitive? I say no. Trump was being honest, and voicing the opinion of many in law enforcement and in neighborhoods who actually have contact with gang members.
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MS13 gang members are animals and I don't appreciate you comparing educated American citizens to gang members just because you don't like the way they report the news. It's very dishonest on your part.
 
americanwoman said:
MS13 gang members are animals and I don't appreciate you comparing educated American citizens to gang members just because you don't like the way they report the news. It's very dishonest on your part.
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Do you also voice angst with SNL satire? If so great you are standing on solid ground.
 
washunut said:
Do you also voice angst with SNL satire? If so great you are standing on solid ground.
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Show me where on SNL they have put their actual heads on other people's bodies in a live skit or had anything done mocking themselves without their own consent.

Not a great comparison there.
 
americanwoman said:
Show me where on SNL they have put their actual heads on other people's bodies in a live skit or had anything done mocking themselves without their own consent.

Not a great comparison there.
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Seriously. You think that the myriad of administration folks this show mocked gave their consent. SNL is famous for doing this over decades, not just with this administration.

How about the satire of the Onion? Or do you think satire, which oftentimes is offensive to some should be shunned.
 
washunut said:
Seriously. You think that the myriad of administration folks this show mocked gave their consent. SNL is famous for doing this over decades, not just with this administration.

How about the satire of the Onion? Or do you think satire, which oftentimes is offensive to some should be shunned.
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No but if I don't find it funny but more offensive, I will say something. Do you think because I find one thing that may be humorous to some not funny and offensive that I should be shunned?
 
Floridafan said:
Who is defending them?
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Nancy Pelosi is one of the disgusting congressional leaders that I ever heard. I don’t know who I despise more than Waters with the victim card or Pelosi who decided to use her grandson’s friend as a political argument over some stupid immigration debate? My question is Why would we want to have immigrants coming even though we don’t have jobs for some Americans. I do not understand the liberal idea behind the immigration theory because they want to have a better life? If that individual wants to come here and, fundamentally contribute by all means but, if they don’t have anything within three months, uncle sam needs to get rid of them period. Here’s a solution if you are here working and, you’re clean as a whistle. If you haven’t got your citizenship yet. Well then, we will help you to do whatever you need to secure your citizenship with that includes Kids up until the age of 18 or whatever depending upon the state that you are currently secretly residency in. Upon the requirement that will be acceptable is: Husband, Kids under the age of 18,). If you have kids, who are over 18 unlike any other American, they would be considered as an adult and their responsibility to get their citizenship unless they have a disability and needs assistance we will work with the individual along with the members who are a guardian. This is how I would probably have my position on this. Because I’m sorry but, America is my house too so unless you don’t care for your safety well keep fighting or move over there where you got it in your head that those people are innocent, humble people. We have an immigration system that people need to go through! This is nothing new unless you are like Patrick the starfish from SpongeBob and, basically living under a rock. Oh, wait most Democrats are! This is not like the Polar Express where we hand out golden tickets and, call them citizenship. And, far as MS13, those people are dangerous and, there are probably multiple victims just not Elizabeth Alvarado and Robert Mickens, the parents of a teenage girl murdered by the gang MS-13.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Completely non sequitur to my posted comment.
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Actually, it's not, since you've taken aim at a specific political party (which I assume that you identify as "liberal) and a specific type of media that you've identified as "liberal" - with the intent to not simply criticize, but to vilify.

Again, political lying is protected speech, thus your rant about the Democratic party (and I assume you're mainly referring to the members in office) is nothing more than partisan a rant - since you should be vividly aware that the Republicans party (and its members in office) equally lie - and their lies are equally protected. Truth isn't synonymous with our government - or the political parties and members elected to run the government.

All media outlets (conservative and liberal) disseminate information for a profit. The demographic populations that the information is intended to impact doesn't happen by accident. Nobody escapes the intended impacts.

Citizens should be able to discern the difference between tabloidism and hardnews. Also discern between opinion and fact. However, this is where my concern lies. It appears that we have a growing population of folks who can't. Despite this, every citizen should have a right to consume information and freely opine about it. To have a desire to stifle public opinion is a call for controlled information. And the only power that actually control information is our government. And as much as I genuinely hate that our nations politicians can lie till they die - because everything that they lie about - is protected speech. If we are to protect the core principles laid out in the First Amendment, we, as individuals, need to become as educated as possible in order to survive a rather complicated information culture that we've all allowed to come into being. We all need to be able to discern the difference between tabloidism, hardnews, opinions, and facts. If we can't - then we'll lose the power to prevent the government from exploiting its power and become the arbiters of what information is in the best interest of the citizens.

You're obviously disgruntled about free speech in its current form. A lot of people are who have varying political beliefs are disgruntled, disturbed, and feel a sense of powerlessness by it all. But we can't let the First Amendment be compromised.

We (individuals) do have a choice about how we give power to (and respond to) information that the entire world is bombarded with on a daily basis, regardless of its origin.
 
TheRepublican said:
Nancy Pelosi is one of the disgusting congressional leaders that I ever heard. I don’t know who I despise more than Waters with the victim card or Pelosi who decided to use her grandson’s friend as a political argument over some stupid immigration debate? My question is Why would we want to have immigrants coming even though we don’t have jobs for some Americans. I do not understand the liberal idea behind the immigration theory because they want to have a better life? If that individual wants to come here and, fundamentally contribute by all means but, if they don’t have anything within three months, uncle sam needs to get rid of them period. Here’s a solution if you are here working and, you’re clean as a whistle. If you haven’t got your citizenship yet. Well then, we will help you to do whatever you need to secure your citizenship with that includes Kids up until the age of 18 or whatever depending upon the state that you are currently secretly residency in. Upon the requirement that will be acceptable is: Husband, Kids under the age of 18,). If you have kids, who are over 18 unlike any other American, they would be considered as an adult and their responsibility to get their citizenship unless they have a disability and needs assistance we will work with the individual along with the members who are a guardian. This is how I would probably have my position on this. Because I’m sorry but, America is my house too so unless you don’t care for your safety well keep fighting or move over there where you got it in your head that those people are innocent, humble people. We have an immigration system that people need to go through! This is nothing new unless you are like Patrick the starfish from SpongeBob and, basically living under a rock. Oh, wait most Democrats are! This is not like the Polar Express where we hand out golden tickets and, call them citizenship. And, far as MS13, those people are dangerous and, there are probably multiple victims just not Elizabeth Alvarado and Robert Mickens, the parents of a teenage girl murdered by the gang MS-13.
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There are plenty of jobs for immigrants that Americans just don't want to do. In fact some companies are hurting from lack of immigrant employment. Your opinions are worthless, try reading up on some facts!
 
americanwoman said:
No but if I don't find it funny but more offensive, I will say something. Do you think because I find one thing that may be humorous to some not funny and offensive that I should be shunned?
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Sorry if you took it that way. I was asking if you think satirists should be shunned not you. I worded it poorly.
 
americanwoman said:
MS13 gang members are animals and I don't appreciate you comparing educated American citizens to gang members just because you don't like the way they report the news. It's very dishonest on your part.
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Why are MS13 gang members animals? Because Trump says so?
 
camlok said:
Why are MS13 gang members animals? Because Trump says so?
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No, it's because I know a couple and I know exactly how ruthless they are. I know a couple other Latino gangs, I've been a part of it my whole life and I see how different MS13 operates.
 
It's only racist if you have a tradition of discriminatory rhetoric against Latinos AND if you are using the term to distinguish your target from "humans".
 
americanwoman said:
No, it's because I know a couple and I know exactly how ruthless they are. I know a couple other Latino gangs, I've been a part of it my whole life and I see how different MS13 operates.
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I read, "Mostly Salvadorans, Hondurans, and Guatemalans".

Is this payback/blowback?
 
americanwoman said:
I'm not sure what you mean. Payback/blowback for what?
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For the US's vicious gangs of animals [US military and US proxies] that have been terrorizing these countries for years.
 
camlok said:
For the US's vicious gangs of animals [US military and US proxies] that have been terrorizing these countries for years.
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Hmmm.... fair enough. I would say MS didn't just rise out of nowhere. We meddle into other countries without caring but then want to care about the affects like we cared in the first place. To be clear, I support Central Americans and if they are good citizens they are welcome here to me but I can see what you mean about our policies coming back to us.
 
americanwoman said:
Hmmm.... fair enough. I would say MS didn't just rise out of nowhere. We meddle into other countries without caring but then want to care about the affects like we cared in the first place. To be clear, I support Central Americans and if they are good citizens they are welcome here to me but I can see what you mean about our policies coming back to us.
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What better place to make a ton of money and get the chance to seek revenge on those who slaughtered their countrymen. Now I am not stating outright that this is their goal but regardless, are they any different than the various American gangs who went to Hawaii, Central/South America, the Philippines, ... ?

You are familiar with the CIA term 'blowback', are you not?

The term "blowback," invented by the CIA, refers to the unintended results of American actions abroad. In this incisive and controversial book, Chalmers Johnson .

Just type in, 'us war crime against [honduras], then replace that country with the other two. Continue if you wish by putting in any Central or South American country, many SE Asian countries, ... .
 
camlok said:
What better place to make a ton of money and get the chance to seek revenge on those who slaughtered their countrymen. Now I am not stating outright that this is their goal but regardless, are they any different than the various American gangs who went to Hawaii, Central/South America, the Philippines, ... ?

You are familiar with the CIA term 'blowback', are you not?

The term "blowback," invented by the CIA, refers to the unintended results of American actions abroad. In this incisive and controversial book, Chalmers Johnson .

Just type in, 'us war crime against [honduras], then replace that country with the other two. Continue if you wish by putting in any Central or South American country, many SE Asian countries, ... .
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I am not familiar with that term but will do some research on it.
 
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