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Is it Racist or Insensitive to Call MS-13 Gang Members 'Animals'?

Is it Racist or Insensitive to Call MS-13 Gang Members 'Animals'?

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Considering the context in which he was calling them animals was in reference to the violent nature of the gang, I don't see how the comment can be perceived as racist.

I doubt Trump calling a group of violent killers animals is really going to offend them, they may even take it as a compliment. So the charge of insensitive seems rather ridiculous, insensitive to who?
 
Amelia said:
What's to comment on? Trump has lowered the discourse to levels previously unimaginable. Am I going to object to this one act of dehumanization from him?

No, because it gives me an invitation to tell the truth about how subhuman he is.
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This level of obsession is very interesting. You were unable to comment on MS-13, and, instead, tried to deflect to Trump. I could see trying to work Trump into the discussion in some way, but you didn't even do that -- you simply posted a slam against Trump.

That's fascinating. It denotes (to me) that your obsession is beyond that of a casual citizen.
 
truthatallcost said:
Democratic Party politicians & their liberal media pals have recently made a big deal over Trump's reference to MS-13 members as 'animals', many of whom are illegal immigrants.
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To be fair the bourgeoisie liberals are very well insulated from any interaction with these people and view the situation from their posh, well policed communities. The bourgeoisie don't see them as people but as victims. They are seen as a permanent underclass who are unable to be held accountable for their actions and incapable of bettering their lives. So libtards become very triggered when they hear anyone criticize the criminally coming from these communities and project how they little they think of these people on to everyone else by calling them racist bigots.

Was Trump's comment racist or insensitive? I say no. Trump was being honest, and voicing the opinion of many in law enforcement and in neighborhoods who actually have contact with gang members.
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Well a lot of people don't understand the situation.

-they come from a 3rd world war torn ****hole
-a lot of them dislike white people and refuse to embrace the culture and languish
-this causes them to either do bad in school or makes it very difficult to find a decent job.
-the "thug life" lifestyle is popularized through the entertainment industry. So to some it instills the idea that the "thug life" is a viable lifestyle.
-instead of working their way up from the bottom like everyone else, they take the easy path and deal drugs or commit other lucrative crimes.


Majority of MS13/gangbangers are lowlife scumbags and it is not racist to point that out.
 
Still laughing at people getting upset about us being mean to poor little defenseless piece of crap Trump.

It's a rare exception when Trump lets a day go by without saying something evil, but his supporters are begging us to say that he may have been justified in ONE of the dehumanizing things he has said about people who are not coming close to harming the nation as much as he does.

You people are defending a waste of air who is turning America into a ****hole country. Deal with it.
 
I know my animals are offended to be lumped into the bucket of **** known as MS-13. They're better than that.
 
holbritter said:
The only reason the push to not use the term illegal is to downplay and hide the situation that has been brought front and center in the first place. Sorry, it is, what it is....illegal.
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So wrong. It's not a conspiracy to hide stuff. It's having consideration for other human beings. No one is illegal. When a citizen commits a crime, do they become an illegal citizen? No. Because that's offensive. You're employing a conspiracy theory to rationalize using hateful terminology. Maybe you should think about that.

Look, if one needs to hold onto tradition, even when one knows it insults and offends other people, what does that say?

Who is it offensive to? The person who is here illegally? Please stop right there if it is. I have no interest in providing further benefit to someone here illegally.
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You have no interest in behaving like a decent human being because the target is an undocumented immigrant? Demonization is fine because the target is worthy of hate? There are a lot worse people in this world than those who desperately seek the USA. Shouldn't we save the hate for violent criminals and not poverty stricken desperate people?
 
ecofarm said:
So wrong. It's not a conspiracy to hide stuff. It's having consideration for other human beings. No one is illegal. When a citizen commits a crime, do they become an illegal citizen? No. Because that's offensive. You're employing a conspiracy theory to rationalize using hateful terminology. Maybe you should think about that.

Look, if one needs to hold onto tradition, even when one knows it insults and offends other people, what does that say?



You have no interest in behaving like a decent human being because the target is an undocumented immigrant? Demonization is fine because the target is worthy of hate? There are a lot worse people in this world than those who desperately seek the USA. Shouldn't we save the hate for violent criminals and not poverty stricken desperate people?
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"An illegal citizen": That's kind of what happens to a convicted felon. They lose the right to vote; they are ineligible for 90+% of employment; they are ineligible to rent in most places; they are barred from owning a firearm. There are consequences to breaking the law. It's all about results. Jobs that were once available for teens or convicted felons are taken over by illegals. Irrespective of desperation, criminal acts are like potato chips, having one makes it easier to have another. We will either have a law-abiding society or we will have a lawless society.
 
SDET said:
"An illegal citizen": That's kind of what happens to a convicted felon.
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We refer to them as illegal people? No, we don't. Acts are illegal, not people.
 
ecofarm said:
We refer to them as illegal people? No, we don't. Acts are illegal, not people.
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OK, then. I would settle for the term "Criminal Alien". The who support a lawless society want to blur the line between those who legally applied to enter the county and committed a criminal act to enter the country.
 
SDET said:
"An illegal citizen": That's kind of what happens to a convicted felon. They lose the right to vote; they are ineligible for 90+% of employment; they are ineligible to rent in most places; they are barred from owning a firearm. There are consequences to breaking the law. It's all about results. Jobs that were once available for teens or convicted felons are taken over by illegals. Irrespective of desperation, criminal acts are like potato chips, having one makes it easier to have another. We will either have a law-abiding society or we will have a lawless society.
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Very well put!
 
SDET said:
OK, then. I would settle for the term "Criminal Alien". The who support a lawless society want to blur the line between those who legally applied to enter the county and committed a criminal act to enter the country.
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Criminal immigrant would imply a crime was committed other than immigration. Undocumented immigrant works fine.

Alien is totally unnecessary and serves only hateful rhetoric.
 
truthatallcost said:
My gut feeling is that leftists are only upset because the criminals Trump happened to equate with animals are not white. Leftists are the ones who have racial hang ups if they hear the word 'animals' used to describe MS13, and immediately equate that term with brown skin rather than heinous criminality.
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That and they are still having a rough time emotionally dealing with Hillary's defeat.
 
ecofarm said:
We refer to them as illegal people? No, we don't. Acts are illegal, not people.
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Actually, the US does refer to them as illegal people. It is stamped on their person like a brand. Which is why the US has such a high recidivism rate.

If simply the acts were treated as illegal that would be great. People treated like illegals are going to act as society views and treats them. Combine the 12th century US mentality with the rampant racism and guess what you get.

National Statistics on Recidivism
Bureau of Justice Statistics studies have found high rates of recidivism among released prisoners. One study tracked 404,638 prisoners in 30 states after their release from prison in 2005.[1] The researchers found that:

Within three years of release, about two-thirds (67.8 percent) of released prisoners were rearrested.
Within five years of release, about three-quarters (76.6 percent) of released prisoners were rearrested.
Of those prisoners who were rearrested, more than half (56.7 percent) were arrested by the end of the first year.
Property offenders were the most likely to be rearrested, with 82.1 percent of released property offenders arrested for a new crime compared with 76.9 percent of drug offenders, 73.6 percent of public order offenders and 71.3 percent of violent offenders.

https://www.nij.gov/topics/corrections/recidivism/Pages/welcome.aspx
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ecofarm said:
Criminal immigrant would imply a crime was committed other than immigration. Undocumented immigrant works fine.

Alien is totally unnecessary and serves only hateful rhetoric.
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An immigrant is someone who legally applied to move to a country. Referring to someone who enters the country illegally as an immigrant is like referring to a bank robber as an "undocumented customer" making a withdrawal.
 
SDET said:
An immigrant is someone who legally applied to move to a country. Referring to someone who enters the country illegally as an immigrant is like referring to a bank robber as an "undocumented customer" making a withdrawal.
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An undocumented customer would be someone making a deposit without identification, not a robber.

Undocumented makes the immigration illegal. Everyone knows that.

Undocumented = illegal act
Immigrant = foreigner here

It's not hiding anything. It's not a conspiracy. It's being a decent human being by not referring to people as illegal (people aren't illegal, acts are, it's just stupid) or alien (a marginalizing term).

It's really not much to get one's head around. Ol' Cletus down by the river should be able to get it. Now everyone should act like decent people. But no. There's always gonna be some asshole that just wants to insult people and piss everyone off. Don't be that guy.
 
SDET said:
An immigrant is someone who legally applied to move to a country. Referring to someone who enters the country illegally as an immigrant is like referring to a bank robber as an "undocumented customer" making a withdrawal.
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Bingo!

But that doesn't keep some rabid Lefties from abandoning all common-sense and doing exactly that.
 
Amelia said:
Still laughing at people getting upset about us being mean to poor little defenseless piece of crap Trump.
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Who is? This whole thread is TS;RD(too stupid don't read).

It's a rare exception when Trump lets a day go by without saying something evil,
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:lamo

but his supporters are begging us to say that he may have been justified in ONE of the dehumanizing things he has said about people who are not coming close to harming the nation as much as he does.
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:lamo you are a very silly person.


You people are defending a waste of air who is turning America into a ****hole country. Deal with it.
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Location: Wisconsin.......:lamo
 
ObamacareFail said:
That and they are still having a rough time emotionally dealing with Hillary's defeat.
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No doubt, the Hillary supporters have embraced the inner craziness and lost any semblance of common-sense. I'm guessing professional counseling is probably the only recourse left for them. That should be covered under that crapload of a scam called Obamacare right?

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At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. - P.J. O'Rourke

PJ is describing Trump. How have you missed that?
 
MrMike said:
No doubt, the Hillary supporters have embraced the inner craziness and lost any semblance of common-sense. I'm guessing professional counseling is probably the only recourse left for them. That should be covered under that crapload of a scam called Obamacare right?

dr-lucy.jpg
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Yep. They were so sure that Hillary was going to win. It was like Lucy picking up the football just as Charlie Brown was about to kick it. They had even rented a celebration hall with a glass ceiling.
 
truthatallcost said:
Was Trump's comment racist or insensitive?
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  • Prima facie level --> The remark is likely not racist but it's most assuredly insensitive. About the only way to call persons animals and not have it be insensitive is to do so in a biological/zoological context.
  • Correlationally and/or contextually
    • Trump's declaration is racist when seen in context with unabashedly confirmed racists having used the "animal" epithet as a way to denigrate non-whites' humanity and in turn take that declaration as true and articulate it as a basis for the legitimacy of a host of opprobrious acts, words, policies, customs and laws used/embraced/promulgated to subjugate non-whites.
    • Trump's declaration is insensitive for the same reason noted in the first bullet point of this post; however, contextually, it's furthermore due to the correlate described in the immediately preceding bullet point. Sincerely uttered racist remarks are intrinsically obdurate, and those that are callously uttered reflect profound induracy.
 
camlok said:
At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. - P.J. O'Rourke

PJ is describing Trump. How have you missed that?
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Yes comrade we know "liberals get the bullet too":lamo
 
CitizenBasehead said:
Who is? This whole thread is TS;RD(too stupid don't read).



:lamo


:lamo you are a very silly person.




Location: Wisconsin.......:lamo
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Wow ... 24 posts and one dedicated to insulting me.

I'm honored.
 
ecofarm said:
So wrong. It's not a conspiracy to hide stuff. It's having consideration for other human beings. No one is illegal. When a citizen commits a crime, do they become an illegal citizen? No. Because that's offensive. You're employing a conspiracy theory to rationalize using hateful terminology. Maybe you should think about that.

Look, if one needs to hold onto tradition, even when one knows it insults and offends other people, what does that say?



You have no interest in behaving like a decent human being because the target is an undocumented immigrant? Demonization is fine because the target is worthy of hate? There are a lot worse people in this world than those who desperately seek the USA. Shouldn't we save the hate for violent criminals and not poverty stricken desperate people?
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I disagree with your entire post. It is absolutely a change to downplay the seriousness of the situation.

I'm not a decent human being because I refer to someone in this country illegally as an illegal alien? Oh well, if that's your opinion, that's your right.

Sugar coating reality into a safe feel good society is dangerous.
 
holbritter said:
I disagree with your entire post. It is absolutely a change to downplay the seriousness of the situation.

I'm not a decent human being because I refer to someone in this country illegally as an illegal alien? Oh well, if that's your opinion, that's your right.

Sugar coating reality into a safe feel good society is dangerous.
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I wouldn't begin to judge someone, let alone online, but decent behavior is to not intentionally offend others and employ absurd grammar in attempt to alienate others.

There's no excuse for ignorant terminology. There's no reason to hold onto archaic and now offensive terminology. The only rationale is a fondness for the dehumanizing and marginalization of immigrants illegal and otherwise. After all, if one is an illegal alien, then a resident is still an alien. Calling people aliens doesn't seem cool to me but, hey, if someone really wants to be nasty towards foreigners, go with it. And let me know when we start referring to criminals as illegal citizens.
 
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