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Is it Racist or Insensitive to Call MS-13 Gang Members 'Animals'?

Is it Racist or Insensitive to Call MS-13 Gang Members 'Animals'?

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We need to be more sensitive and respect the MS13 gangs.If its their culture to do drugs,kill.rape,etc.who are we to question.As long as they stay in California I have no problem with them.
 
Amelia said:
What's to comment on? Trump has lowered the discourse to levels previously unimaginable. Am I going to object to this one act of dehumanization from him?

No, because it gives me an invitation to tell the truth about how subhuman he is.
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And what do you think of MS13 members?
 
Trump is right. MS13 are animals. Of course, that's an insult to animals everywhere.
 
Phys251 said:
If you hate the world's fifth largest economy that much, then leave. Nobody's forcing you to stay.

Maybe Kansas is more your style?
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That's just mean. In the alt-right white male hetero victim-card deck, "living in California" is at least a Queen maybe a King. It's tantamount to "black people living next door". Kansas is like a trey.


EMNofSeattle said:
The Holocaust! Rwanda!

First off it’s a definition in the dictionary that “animal” can mean someone who is repulsive or violent. Second off there is an MS-13 member who committed a murder in Massachusetts whose criminal name was “the animal” so clearly they have no issue being called animal.

There is absolutely no comparison between ethnic genocide and using harsh language on violent criminals, that is pure sophistry
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Do you see a connection between the use of "alien" and the demonization/marginalization of people?
 
gulfman said:
We need to be more sensitive and respect the MS13 gangs.If its their culture to do drugs,kill.rape,etc.who are we to question.As long as they stay in California I have no problem with them.
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You mean the culture that they learned mostly on the streets of Los Angeles before the US exported their violent gang problem into Middle America?

And you do know that they are present in:

The San Francisco Bay Area in California; the Washington, D.C. metropolitan areas of Fairfax County, Virginia, Montgomery County, Maryland, and Prince George's County, Maryland; Queens, New York; Long Island, New York; Newark, New Jersey, Plainfield, New Jersey; Jersey City, New Jersey; Elizabeth, New Jersey; the Boston, Massachusetts area; Charlotte, North Carolina; and Houston, Texas. There is also a presence of MS-13 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

So sadly these inhuman bastards are found in much more areas than Los Angeles.
 
Peter King said:
You mean the culture that they learned mostly on the streets of Los Angeles before the US exported their violent gang problem into Middle America?

And you do know that they are present in:

The San Francisco Bay Area in California; the Washington, D.C. metropolitan areas of Fairfax County, Virginia, Montgomery County, Maryland, and Prince George's County, Maryland; Queens, New York; Long Island, New York; Newark, New Jersey, Plainfield, New Jersey; Jersey City, New Jersey; Elizabeth, New Jersey; the Boston, Massachusetts area; Charlotte, North Carolina; and Houston, Texas. There is also a presence of MS-13 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

So sadly these inhuman bastards are found in much more areas than Los Angeles.
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Its racist not to respect their culture tho
 
truthatallcost said:
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Democratic Party politicians & their liberal media pals have recently made a big deal over Trump's reference to MS-13 members as 'animals', many of whom are illegal immigrants.

Was Trump's comment racist or insensitive? I say no. Trump was being honest, and voicing the opinion of many in law enforcement and in neighborhoods who actually have contact with gang members.
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Unfortunately Donald Trump has created the perception by his own actions over and over again that he is both racist and insensitive. Because of this his words will ne interpreted within this context and his loose use of language makes in even worse for him.
 
Nothing in and of itself is racist.

Now when you call kneeling NFL players "sons of bitches" but white supremacists in Charlottesville are "very fine people," your prejudices are laid bare for all to see.

Now here's why Trump defending his "animals" comment is problematic. MS-13 is primarily a homegrown gang, and when he says that he defends his "animals" comment in reference to all the "criminals" that are coming across the border like Huns into China, that speaks to a drastic ignorance about the nature of illegal immigration in America. But it's well known that he subscribes to the ignorant nativist fears of his base, so the imagery of savage brown people coming across the border to rape and pillage and kidnap plays right into that.
 
truthatallcost said:
I don't hate it at all, but I'm saddened by what I see going on here. Entire regions of the state are plagued by homelessness and drug addiction, partly fueled by the huge amounts of drugs being dealt by gangs like MS-13. The liberals answer to this is just to not care, or white flight your ass to Portland. I want to save this state, not abandon it to drug lords.
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California does not need your "saving." It needs people such as you to listen to the adults in the room and work with them for a change.
 
ecofarm said:
That's just mean. In the alt-right white male hetero victim-card deck, "living in California" is at least a Queen maybe a King. It's tantamount to "black people living next door". Kansas is like a trey.


Do you see a connection between the use of "alien" and the demonization/marginalization of people?
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No, Alien is a specific legal term with a specific legal meaning. People who refuse to use the term alien usually have a political agenda and wish to conceal or obfuscate the fact that aliens are just that, aliens, who have no right to live here. It has nothing to do with demonizing, that’s you inserting definition that doesn’t exist
 
Amelia said:
Trump is a rutting pig.









.... pause for Trump supporters to whine because I talked about Trump the way he talks about others.
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Straw Man.

Now what about his comments on MS13?
 
Phys251 said:
If you hate the world's fifth largest economy that much, then leave. Nobody's forcing you to stay.

Maybe Kansas is more your style?
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I really wish Americans would ditch this juvenile taunt. Because, you know, freedom of speech.

Point out the racism, point out that the US has, with its illegal and amoral meddling in Central and South American countries, created many of these problems that Trump and other racists are now whining about.

What goes around comes around. Who wouldn't want to live in the top banana republic, where the biggest treasure lies, the treasure that has been stolen from countries the world over?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, Alien is a specific legal term with a specific legal meaning.
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Well, it's not just a legal term. It has other meanings and a foundation of "the other". We can't pretend the legal term exists in a vacuum.
 
I wouldn’t recommend saying it to their faces, but other than that I don’t see an issue with calling them animals.
 
ecofarm said:
Well, it's not just a legal term. It has other meanings and a foundation of "the other". We can't pretend the legal term exists in a vacuum.
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No, it’s only meaning is a person present in a country in which they do not hold citizenship.
 
gulfman said:
We need to be more sensitive and respect the MS13 gangs.If its their culture to do drugs,kill.rape,etc.who are we to question.As long as they stay in California I have no problem with them.
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Some measure of truth in that. As long as the USMC, the USN, the ... stays in the US, the world would have no problem with their lifestyles.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, it’s only meaning is a person present in a country in which they do not hold citizenship.
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Don't be absurd. It has connotations that demonize and marginalize.
 
ecofarm said:
Don't be absurd. It has connotations that demonize and marginalize.
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No, the connotations are attached to the act of being an alien illegally in the country. The term alien itself has no connotations.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I wouldn’t recommend saying it to their faces, but other than that I don’t see an issue with calling them animals.
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Is it also fair to call those who illegally invade other countries animals?

Actually, when you think about it, it's quite unfair to animals. Maybe a better term to use might be Americans or Nazis or gangsters or Mafia or ... .

Because you have to admit, all the previous names I have listed have all done exactly what the MS13 gangs have done.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, the connotations are attached to the act of being an alien illegally in the country. The term alien itself has no connotations.
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I don't see how one can honestly believe that. All words have meaning beyond a specific context. Each use stems from the same etymology, which carries with it connotations from both the past and present. Pretending a word exists only in a small contextual vacuum is absurd.
 
ecofarm said:
I don't see how one can honestly believe that. All words have meaning beyond a specific context. Each use stems from the same etymology, which carries with it connotations from both the past and present. Pretending a word exists only in a small contextual vacuum is absurd.
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Alien was used by law enforcement to refer to those who didn't apply to immigrate into the country. Illegal aliens have already declared by their actions that they have contempt for the laws of the United States. The next obvious question is do they consider themselves above ALL laws in the United States?
 
camlok said:
Is it also fair to call those who illegally invade other countries animals?

Actually, when you think about it, it's quite unfair to animals. Maybe a better term to use might be Americans or Nazis or gangsters or Mafia or ... .

Because you have to admit, all the previous names I have listed have all done exactly what the MS13 gangs have done.
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No more than I am an animal when I do 60 in a 50mph zone or back when I used to download pirated music. Simply breaking the rules doesn’t make somebody a bad person. And there are evil things that are perfectly legal to do.

Sneaking into another country to get a job and provide for your family is a crime. The government can’t look the other way on that. I, on the other hand, don’t consider it unethical and thus it doesn’t bother. MS13, however, actually victimizes people. It is a big difference in my book.
 
SDET said:
Alien was used by law enforcement to refer to those who didn't apply to immigrate into the country. Illegal aliens have already declared by their actions that they have contempt for the laws of the United States. The next obvious question is do they consider themselves above ALL laws in the United States?
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Alien has other meanings and an etymology based in "the other". That matters. You can't dismiss context by pretending it doesn't exist. Further, the time in which the term's use became acceptable is subject to indictment. Tradition alone is not justification.
 
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