Is it Racist or Insensitive to Call MS-13 Gang Members 'Animals'?

Amelia said:

I'm not talking about deporting MS-13 people back to where they came from (and many are from here). I'm talking about Trump ignoring his state department's advice and sending two hundred thousand TPS holders plus their American citizen children down to El Salvador. That's going to give customers and recruits to MS-13 and make the problems worse in both El Salvador and here.

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What does the 'T' in TPS stand for?

Oh, and Trump doesn't have to be just like MS-13 for it to be apt to call him an animal. And apt it is. So, once again, a big thanks to Trump and his supporters for making it A-OK to call people animals.

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So bound and determined to call Trump an animal and not MS-13. :roll:
I think it fair to call your judgment into question.

eohrnberger said:

What does the 'T' in TPS stand for?



So bound and determined to call Trump an animal and not MS-13. :roll:
I think it fair to call your judgment into question.

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I know what the T stands for. I also know that the law is not simplistic and it takes our national security into account. And sending 200,000 people plus their American citizen children down to El Salvador is not in the interest of our national security. Not if we actually care about fighting MS-13.

But maybe Trump doesn't actually care about fighting them. Maybe it's in his interest to have a boogyman and MS-13 serves him well in that capacity. He cares more about the rhetoric and firing up his base than he does about the brass tacks of our national security.

Amelia said:

I know what the T stands for. I also know that the law is not simplistic and it takes our national security into account. And sending 200,000 people plus their American citizen children down to El Salvador is not in the interest of our national security. Not if we actually care about fighting MS-13.

But maybe Trump doesn't actually care about fighting them. Maybe it's in his interest to have a boogyman and MS-13 serves him well in that capacity. He cares more about the rhetoric and firing up his base than he does about the brass tacks of our national security.

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Trump is only about attempting to make everyone not Trump, UNCERTAIN. This tactic begins with making and keeping his own staff uncertain and the outcome is that they do not trust Trump or each other and they resort to leaking to the press to inflict even greater uncertainty on each other.

Specifically targeted for uncertainty driven turmoil are FBI, DOJ, State Department careerists, USPS executive and workers, CDC, NASA, NOAA, EPA, and Interior, along with any reasonable person of Homeland Security, from the director, on down.

Professional, ethical journalists are targeted, but the effect is to inspire them to attempt to drown the Trump contagian in deluges of facts. Trump cannot perform effectively when facts collide with Trump ginned up turmoil. The serial lying that is Trump's principal uncertainty fomenter is only excused and ignored by his fans.

A reasonable person views Trump and his uncertainty tactic as a contagious disease. Prominent victims, aside from Trump's staff, are once closest U.S. allied nations, all immigrants, DACA
recipients, Iranians, North Koreans, the transgendered, all federal civil service employees, all self respecting women ....have I missed anyone?

Trump always lashes out when he's cornered. He told me so years ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ut-when-hes-cornered-he-told-me-so-years-ago/
Dec 4, 2017 - ... insistence and intimidation designed to fuel uncertainty and doubt in ... of the most revealing relationships in Trump's life was with Roy Cohn, ...

How Donald Trump and Roy Cohn's Ruthless Symbiosis Changed ...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06/donald-trump-roy-cohn-relationship
In 1973, a brash young would-be developer from Queens met one of New York's premier power brokers: Roy Cohn, whose name is still synonymous with the ...

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Amelia said:

I know what the T stands for. I also know that the law is not simplistic and it takes our national security into account. And sending 200,000 people plus their American citizen children down to El Salvador is not in the interest of our national security. Not if we actually care about fighting MS-13.

But maybe Trump doesn't actually care about fighting them. Maybe it's in his interest to have a boogyman and MS-13 serves him well in that capacity. He cares more about the rhetoric and firing up his base than he does about the brass tacks of our national security.

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Fighting MS-13 by accepting more people who are likely to belong to MS-13 into the country?
Sure sounds like a loony tunes approach to me.

Perhaps you'd like MS-13 to move in next door to you?

A sovereign nation has every right to secure it borders as well as to determine who is permitted to enter and who is not, who is required to leave, otherwise it isn't a sovereign nation.

eohrnberger said:

Fighting MS-13 by accepting more people who are likely to belong to MS-13 into the country?

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No.

Keeping people who are productive members of their communities here in the U.S. instead of sending them down to El Salvador where that will make them prime targets for recruitment by MS-13.


Up here they're not MS-13.

Down there, in their desperation, a lot of them will become MS-13 or will give business to MS-13.


Up here they're productive tax payers.

Down there, they're part of the destabilization of El Salavador and the strengthening of MS-13.



But you and Trump don't care about that.


Helping MS-13 grow is good for Trump's agenda.

Amelia said:

No.

Keeping people who are productive members of their communities here in the U.S. instead of sending them down to El Salvador where that will make them prime targets for recruitment by MS-13.


Up here they're not MS-13.

Down there, in their desperation, a lot of them will become MS-13 or will give business to MS-13.


Up here they're productive tax payers.

Down there, they're part of the destabilization of El Salavador and the strengthening of MS-13.



But you and Trump don't care about that.


Helping MS-13 grow is good for Trump's agenda.

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By that logic, import all of that nation's people, and there'd be no MS-13. Sorry, but it's not stacking up, logically speaking.

Draining a nation's skilled peoples to the US only leaves that nation worse off in trying to deal with their own nation's problems.

eohrnberger said:

Fighting MS-13 by accepting more people who are likely to belong to MS-13 into the country?
Sure sounds like a loony tunes approach to me.

Perhaps you'd like MS-13 to move in next door to you?

A sovereign nation has every right to secure it borders as well as to determine who is permitted to enter and who is not, who is required to leave, otherwise it isn't a sovereign nation.

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27,000 forum posts under your belt, but you are posting here, as if it is your first day in this forum. Why?

Your response is akin to a heapin' helpin' of Trump poop. MS-13, Mexican rapists, muslims, DACA recipients, "the swamp" are merely Trump props, not issues to be debated.
The fact that you are sucked in by Trump to the point you are using the tactics you are using in your post I quoted above, speaks volumes about you, not Trump.
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eohrnberger said:

By that logic, import all of that nation's people, and there'd be no MS-13. ....

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bull puckey


I'm done here. That faux extrapolation was one strawman too many.