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Thread: Is/are MS-13 “animals”?

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    Re: Is/are MS-13 “animals”?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You know, the gang which murders, rapes and tortures others?
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    Re: Is/are MS-13 “animals”?

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    CATO can't be relied upon as a reliable source. They are an agenda driven think tank that first asks what conclusions are sought and then builds the data to prove that case.
    As reliable as any other sources giving critiques for this matter. Everyone has an agenda of one sort or another.

    Keep in mind The Heritage Foundation is the single greatest proponent for a single payer health coverage plan, and has been since before the Clinton administration. For different reasons, Cato has supported the same position since it was formed. Both are conservative sources at odds with each other.
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    Re: Is/are MS-13 “animals”?

    Quote Originally Posted by lefty louie View Post
    I think other animals only kill for those 2 reasons, if you walk into their territory they are threatened. No?

    No. Numerous species have been observed killing for neither food or territory, and let's not forget some kill to obtain breeding females. And sometime for plain sport.
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    Re: Is/are MS-13 “animals”?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    domesticated cats do
    Really, I thought when a mouse entered their space that was an infringement, payable with death.

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    Re: Is/are MS-13 “animals”?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    No. Numerous species have been observed killing for neither food or territory, and let's not forget some kill to obtain breeding females. And sometime for plain sport.
    I have to say, assuming you and others are right, that this is what you take away from my comment. No objection to MS 13 being animals or worse, just that I'm incorrect about how wild animals act. Wow

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    Re: Is/are MS-13 “animals”?

    Quote Originally Posted by itsforthekids View Post
    Leftie logic..."Impoverished neighborhoods have higher crime rates because of poverty...it's conservatives fault!" "Low skilled, impoverished illegal immigrants are less likely to commit criminal behavior and are far more virtuous than legal citizens!"

    The statistics prove that illegals are 3x as likely to commit criminal behavior than citizens.
    I agree that illegals, likely not fluent in English, have little financial opportunity and common sense would dictate that they likely have a higher crime rate than citizens, who are more established and fluent. However, 3x may be an exaggeration. Ball-barking the raw information from what I've seen so far on sites that claim illegals are less criminal, such as Politifact, my guess is that illegals are around 25%-50% more criminal.

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    Re: Is/are MS-13 “animals”?

    Calling MS13 "animals" is an insult to animals everywhere.

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    Re: Is/are MS-13 “animals”?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Excluding the crime of unlawful immigration:

    https://cis.org/Crime-Illegal-Alien
    Serious Crimes Committed by Illegal Aliens | FAIRus.org
    https://www.cato.org/publications/im...SAAEgJMcfD_BwE

    Plenty more where those came from. Incidentally, I couldn't find any studies showing if and how countries of origin matter to the number or quality of crimes committed by particular groups. And most of the reports I viewed showed dubious numbering schemes underlying their conclusive opinions.

    One fellow from the INS, asking not to be identified in one report, suggested unlawful immigrants actually committed far less crimes than either lawful immigrants or natural citizens, because they do not want to be deported and know they are already vulnerable. An interesting comment, but I see nothing either supporting or opposing his thoughts.
    FAIR, one of your sources, estimates that there are 12.5 million illegals out of a population of 325 million, roughly 3.8%. CATO, from the link you provide, claims illegals commit crime at a lower rate than citizens (1.53% vs 0.85%) ,meaning citizens are 80% more criminal than illegals.

    How CATO arrives at this: They say that illegals make up 9.08% of the population. Since they only make up 3.8% according to FAIR, this means that they are committing 2.4 times the per capita crimes that CATO says they do. 0.85% times 2.4 is about 2.03%.

    Therefore, according to their own data, FAIR and CATO come up with a 32.68% increase in criminality for illegals over citizens.

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    Re: Is/are MS-13 “animals”?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rickeroo View Post
    I agree that illegals, likely not fluent in English, have little financial opportunity and common sense would dictate that they likely have a higher crime rate than citizens, who are more established and fluent. However, 3x may be an exaggeration. Ball-barking the raw information from what I've seen so far on sites that claim illegals are less criminal, such as Politifact, my guess is that illegals are around 25%-50% more criminal.
    There is a huge push by the left to allow as many illegals in as possible, with the knowledge that they will be democratic voters. There is much false information out there, just like the fake news with this story.
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