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Are there more uneducated voters on the left or on the right?

Are there more uneducated voters on the left or on the right?

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ataraxia said:
Yes! And that's why formal education is bad. And global warming is a Chinese hoax, and the Earth is only 6000 years old, and trickle down economics works. Right? :lamo
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I never said that a formal education was bad, just that it had a couple of very substantial weaknesses.
 
OlNate said:
I didn't inject an opinion on this post, my friend...only presented the data set.

Though as an analyst, while correlation doesn't always equal causation, it certainly tells one where to look first. It's still generalizing, but this was an "in general" question.

Out of curiosity, how would you interpret this data set?
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I would interpret it as incomplete. Too many variable left out to draw any meaningful conclusion.
 
faithful_servant said:
I would interpret it as incomplete. Too many variable left out to draw any meaningful conclusion.
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What would you like to see? (Not leading ya down the path, not trying to set up a gotcha, just curious). As in, what would help you further understand how "educated" and "uneducated" Americans voted? What are the missing variables?
 
OlNate said:
What would you like to see? (Not leading ya down the path, not trying to set up a gotcha, just curious). As in, what would help you further understand how "educated" and "uneducated" Americans voted? What are the missing variables?
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Where voting is concerned, education is nowhere near as important as being informed and able to think critically.

Look at demographics, voting history of those counties, population distribution by political orientation, family histories in politics, the political orientation of the schools they attended - just to throw out a few major variables.
 
Moderate Right said:
Just curious. The left claim that the uneducated people voted Trump into office. I say there are more uneducated on the left than there are on the right.
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This one is tricky. Why?

The main poll you can find on this matter is from Pew. However, the issue I have with it is they group their information as such.

High School Diploma or less. Some College. Bachelors. Post Graduate.

My issue here is with the "high school diploma or less" category. They recognize that there is a difference between someone who attended some college, and those who actually graduated; yet they decide to lump together those with some high school experience with those who actually graduated.

Now, using Pews data, it seems like there is a larger raw number of left leaning voters who make up the lowest category, while at the same time they also have the larger raw number of people in the higher categories as well. This, in part, is because as of 2016 left leaning voters make up 4% more of the registered voter base than Republicans. When talking just percentages, there is a higher percentage of republican votes in the lowest category, with a higher percentage of democrats progressively as you go up to the higher categories.

Again though, the issue here is the fact that when I hear "uneducated" voters, I'm not necessarily thinking of "high school educated and less"; I'm tending to think of people who don't even make it out of high school. Your drop outs that either couldn't, or didn't want, to make it through that level of education. And right now I'm just not finding a lot of good information there.

Mind you, this is all talking from the notion of "formal" education.
 
faithful_servant said:
Where voting is concerned, education is nowhere near as important as being informed and able to think critically.

Look at demographics, voting history of those counties, population distribution by political orientation, family histories in politics, the political orientation of the schools they attended - just to throw out a few major variables.
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Ok...I'm feeling you...and I agree, it's expanded, root cause analysis. If I get what you're saying, it's not that you can't plot voting tendencies and education level, rather you're interested in why educated people vote the way they do, and uneducated people vote the way they do? If that's what you're saying it's a good challenge.

What do you want to bet that "they" have already figured this out - the campaign wizards and engineers behind the two parties. :)
 
faithful_servant said:
Where voting is concerned, education is nowhere near as important as being informed and able to think critically.
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That is exactly what education does for a body, learning how to think critically so you don't get pulled in by Stormfront, Breitbart, ... Donald Trump, ... .

Look at demographics, voting history of those counties, population distribution by political orientation, family histories in politics, the political orientation of the schools they attended - just to throw out a few major variables.
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You surely are not attempting to advance that the above is what Trump supporters do, are you?
 
Moderate Right said:
And Obama was very unqualified for the job. Do you admit that, or are you going to start backpeddling?
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Obama did not have the same qualifications and experience that Hillary did. That is for sure. He certainly had more experience than Trump, without question.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yes. People cherry pick actual data to prove their point, while ignoring the data that doesn't prove their point. That's what cherry picking is, presenting one side of the picture while conveniently not presenting the other side.
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How is presenting actual statistics "cherry-picking"? The chart simply lists how people voted according to their levels of education. I think you don't understand the term "cherry-picking" because this isn't even close to cherry picking.
 
Zyphlin said:
This one is tricky. Why?

The main poll you can find on this matter is from Pew. However, the issue I have with it is they group their information as such.

High School Diploma or less. Some College. Bachelors. Post Graduate.

My issue here is with the "high school diploma or less" category. They recognize that there is a difference between someone who attended some college, and those who actually graduated; yet they decide to lump together those with some high school experience with those who actually graduated.

Now, using Pews data, it seems like there is a larger raw number of left leaning voters who make up the lowest category, while at the same time they also have the larger raw number of people in the higher categories as well. This, in part, is because as of 2016 left leaning voters make up 4% more of the registered voter base than Republicans. When talking just percentages, there is a higher percentage of republican votes in the lowest category, with a higher percentage of democrats progressively as you go up to the higher categories.

Again though, the issue here is the fact that when I hear "uneducated" voters, I'm not necessarily thinking of "high school educated and less"; I'm tending to think of people who don't even make it out of high school. Your drop outs that either couldn't, or didn't want, to make it through that level of education. And right now I'm just not finding a lot of good information there.

Mind you, this is all talking from the notion of "formal" education.
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Another study was done earlier in the thread which looked at elections in general and it found results which seemed to show that in 2 out of 4 elections where the Democrat won (the presidency), more "uneducated" voted for them and in 2 out of 4 elections where the Republican won, more "uneducated" voted for them. In other words, the more uneducated voters seem to vote for the winners all the time, whether they be a Democrat or a Republican. Maybe this means that the so called "base" of both parties are the more uneducated so if the base comes out to vote, that person is elected. So, if more of Hillary's base had shown up, she might have beaten Trump and this is what many on the left claim happened, that the Democratic "base" did not show up to vote in 2016. The reason this poll shows more on the right are uneducated than those on the left is probably mainly due to this is the freshest election to be in people's memories.
 
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Interesting interpretation

Another hypothesis for that phenomena could be that the uneducated in the country are more swayed by presentation and personality than politics, and thus have a large segment of them that are not truly beholden to a side during elections but are actually winnable votes; winnable votes that can help tilt an election in a candidates favor.


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disneydude said:
Obama did not have the same qualifications and experience that Hillary did. That is for sure. He certainly had more experience than Trump, without question.
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Can you say that Obama sucked as president?
 
disneydude said:
How is presenting actual statistics "cherry-picking"? The chart simply lists how people voted according to their levels of education. I think you don't understand the term "cherry-picking" because this isn't even close to cherry picking.
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There are many statistics from many different sources. One side picks the statistics that prove their point. That's called cherry picking.
 
camlok said:
That is exactly what education does for a body, learning how to think critically so you don't get pulled in by Stormfront, Breitbart, ... Donald Trump, ... .



You surely are not attempting to advance that the above is what Trump supporters do, are you?
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Education doesn't teach you to think critically, it teaches you to think strictly within the confines of what you're being taught. It suppresses critical thought and encourages group think mentality. I deal with this on an almost daily basis. I'm the guy who learned his job on the job, working with a bunch of people who learned the same job at college. There are skills that I lack or am weak in, but when it comes to critical thinking, future proofing, enabling the user and the like, I'm MILES ahead of any of my co-workers. The reason is that part of what they learned was not to ask critical questions and simply do what they are told to do, even when it's wrong.
 
Zyphlin said:
Interesting interpretation

Another hypothesis for that phenomena could be that the uneducated in the country are more swayed by presentation and personality than politics, and thus have a large segment of them that are not truly beholden to a side during elections but are actually winnable votes; winnable votes that can help tilt an election in a candidates favor.


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That's a large portion of it, but I think that's more of a voter mobilization factor as opposed to being truly willing to flip from Republican to Democratic on affect politics.

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celticwar17 said:
Depends on what you mean by educated.

Certainly the left has more people with college degrees.... but in my opinion that seems to be a function of indoctrination/influence rather than education.

Intellectuals have always been responsible for almost all the greatest tragedies in human history. You do not get common sense and wisdom from education.
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Whenever it is is suggested that electors should be required to pass some basic literacy test, say, it is the left that violently objects. This suggest that Lefties are of the firm opinion that the least educated are probable supporters.
 
Sweden said:
Whenever it is is suggested that electors should be required to pass some basic literacy test, say, it is the left that violently objects. This suggest that Lefties are of the firm opinion that the least educated are probable supporters.
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Excellent point. The left would go ape **** if Trump and the Republicans wanted to pass some kind of competency test in order to vote.
 
Moderate Right said:
Excellent point. The left would go ape **** if Trump and the Republicans wanted to pass some kind of competency test in order to vote.
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Partly, though not entirely, because certain people were barred from voting with the same demonstrated capacity as those who were allowed to vote.

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Sweden said:
Whenever it is is suggested that electors should be required to pass some basic literacy test, say, it is the left that violently objects. This suggest that Lefties are of the firm opinion that the least educated are probable supporters.
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Because they know their history, they know about the violent terrorism racists would bring back.
 
faithful_servant said:
Education doesn't teach you to think critically, it teaches you to think strictly within the confines of what you're being taught. It suppresses critical thought and encourages group think mentality. I deal with this on an almost daily basis. I'm the guy who learned his job on the job, working with a bunch of people who learned the same job at college. There are skills that I lack or am weak in, but when it comes to critical thinking, future proofing, enabling the user and the like, I'm MILES ahead of any of my co-workers. The reason is that part of what they learned was not to ask critical questions and simply do what they are told to do, even when it's wrong.
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You are thinking of US education. Of course children are brainwashed. Look how lousy USians critical thinking skills were for the Bush 1 and Bush 2 illegal invasions. And all the other illegal invasions.

You'll excuse me if I don't believe your little homily. My guess is that you blindly support the greatest liar ever on the planet.
 
faithful_servant said:
Education doesn't teach you to think critically, it teaches you to think strictly within the confines of what you're being taught. It suppresses critical thought and encourages group think mentality.
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Highly revealing when you think critical thinking skills of blue collar/tech people are the ones that truly matter in the big picture. Critical thinking is not what blue collar education is after.

Yes, they are important to the narrow job at hand, and it is good to see a skilled, thinking person in any facet of life.
 
Moderate Right said:
There are many statistics from many different sources. One side picks the statistics that prove their point. That's called cherry picking.
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Not always. There aren't two sides to voter demographics MR. There are simply the statistics...they are what they are. The actual data shows that the lower level your education, the more likely you voted for Trump. You may not like it...but thats what the actual data shows.
 
faithful_servant said:
More experience in politics, but so much less in executive skills that it's laughable.
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Trump is a perfect example of how running a company doesn't translate well into running a government. Having business skills has proven to be more of an obstacle than a help.
 
late said:
Because they know their history, they know about the violent terrorism racists would bring back.
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This thread i about whether the least educated are more likely to vote left or right. You seem to suggest that the more educated are violent terrorist racists. Do you have evidence for this remarkable claim?
 
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