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Scandals VS Jobs

Scandals VS Jobs

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Fraggle Rock said:
I do recall that Olde Billy boy had a record unemployment while the economy was booming and the Right saw fit to have a Special Prosecutor go after him for 20 months and ultimately find zippo so he was able to find a stain on a blue dress. Talk about witch hunts these Conservatives know all about them......they are usually the Elmer Fudd's in that scenario. Trump is a chump. You voted for draining the swamp I thought. Sorry folks but I don't forsake my country for a lousy job. Get educated and the jobs will find you.
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That wasn't Pres. Clinton's economy, that was Newt Gingrich's and the results of years of supply side economics coming to fruition.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
The impact of the President's various scandals, or jobs numbers and relatively stable economy during his presidency?
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Trump has done nothing to improve the economy. It was already on a good track, to begin with, and if you understand how economies work you'd know that these tax cuts might feel good right now, but they're likely putting us closer to disaster. The best case scenario is that we'll see a spike in inflation, and the Fed will have to counter that with higher interest rates. The worst case scenario is that we're in the middle of an economic bubble that could blow up in our faces at any moment.

The job of the federal government isn't to grow the economy, it's to stabilize it. That means avoiding deep recessions, but also not letting the economy overheat. Republicans are running deficits because they know full well deficit spending can be good for the economy short term, and they don't give a **** about what damage that does long term. Keep in mind Bush's tax cuts came in 2001 and 2003. He road the economic bubble to re-election in 2004, but we didn't see the damage from his bubble until 2007. Republicans are making the same damaging mistake again today, and if you think Trump's doing a great job with the economy you're no different than the idiots who re-elected Bush in 2004.
 
Rogue Valley said:
A carryover from the Obama years. There are now precious few Americans to fill the 25 million new jobs Trump promised (another campaign lie).

It's probably a good thing that companies are paying off debt and buying back stock with their tax windfall rather than investing in new plants.
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Fact is employment is up since Trump took office and unemployment is down, along with the GDP being higher than under Obama.
 
faithful_servant said:
That wasn't Pres. Clinton's economy, that was Newt Gingrich's and the results of years of supply-side economics coming to fruition.
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HAHAHA!!!! Well by that logic this isn't Trump's economy. It's Obama's and the results of years of Keynesian economics coming to fruition.

But more importantly. If you think the speaker of the house gets more credit for an economy than the President then there's no reason to vote Trump in 2020. We can eliminate the scandals without hurting the economy.
 
faithful_servant said:
That wasn't Pres. Clinton's economy, that was Newt Gingrich's and the results of years of supply side economics coming to fruition.
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Translation: If it ended up being bad, it was Clinton's fault. If it ended up being good, it had nothing to do with the sitting president but Congress get's credit.

The problem with this narrative is that it is revisionist history. Bill Clinton raised taxes and the economy boomed. This is what Newt Gingrich said at the time:

Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), February 2, 1993: We have all too many people in the Democratic administration who are talking about bigger Government, bigger bureaucracy, more programs, and higher taxes. I believe that that will in fact kill the current recovery and put us back in a recession. It might take 1 1/2 or 2 years, but it will happen. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)
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Moderate Right said:
Fact is employment is up since Trump took office and unemployment is down, along with the GDP being higher than under Obama.
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GDP goes up all the time, and it's really not going up higher under Obama. Employment was already going up, unemployment was already going down. Trump has done nothing to significantly change the trajectory of the economy that was left for him by Obama. At this point, he can **** it up, but there's almost nothing he can do to improve it. Obama already had things going as good as they possibly could be before he left office, and any attempts to "improve" things are reckless and dangerous.
 
MrWonka said:
GDP goes up all the time, and it's really not going up higher under Obama. Employment was already going up, unemployment was already going down. Trump has done nothing to significantly change the trajectory of the economy that was left for him by Obama. At this point, he can **** it up, but there's almost nothing he can do to improve it. Obama already had things going as good as they possibly could be before he left office, and any attempts to "improve" things are reckless and dangerous.
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GDP does not go up all the time. And GDP has gone up at a higher rate under Trump than under Obama.
 
Moderate Right said:
There are more jobs now than there were under Obama and less unemployed.
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Notice how the trend in both job creation and unemployment changed as soon as Trump took office? Me neither.

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MTAtech said:
Notice how the trend in both job creation and unemployment changed as soon as Trump took office? Me neither.

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But, but, but you guys said that Trump and the Republicans would be bad for the economy. It continues to get better and better. How about telling me the date as to when you will finally give Trump credit. Or, if the economy continues to the point every American is employed and the unemployment rate is zero, will you just continue saying, "Well, Obama already had it headed in that direction"?
 
Moderate Right said:
GDP does not go up all the time. And GDP has gone up at a higher rate under Trump than under Obama.
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Really? According to actual facts, four out of eight Obama years have a higher or equal in GDP than under Trump.

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Moderate Right said:
But, but, but you guys said that Trump and the Republicans would be bad for the economy. It continues to get better and better. How about telling me the date as to when you will finally give Trump credit. Or, if the economy continues to the point every American is employed and the unemployment rate is zero, will you just continue saying, "Well, Obama already had it headed in that direction"?
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2017 was essentially a continuation of Obama's economy, as the only major piece of legislation was the tax-cuts in December. Now, what do we see? Higher interest rates as government competes with private borrowing. What do the smart people who forecast GDP tell us? GDP growth isn't going to be anything near the 4% promised by Trump and is being forecast below 3%. Since high growth rates are needed to pay for those huge corporate tax cuts, it sure doesn't seem like this is going to happen. All we are going to get for those tax-cuts is a gift to the wealthy.
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. I swear, you guys with your cherry picked facts. When are you ever going to be honest debaters?

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Oh the irony. You complain about "debating honestly" and then post a graph stopping at 2010 -- right at the end of the Great Recession. I cherry-picked 2010-2017? That's the most available data. Instead, YOU have omitted the period 2011-2018 because it undercuts your narrative. Just like a conservative, foul and then call foul.
 
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Moderate Right said:
At risk for what? You didn't even answer the question.
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A megalomaniac with impulse control issues is currently in charge of the most fearsome military that mankind has ever known. I'd call that a serious risk.
 
Moderate Right said:
Great question! And jobs are even more important when you consider most of the so called scandals are manufactured by the left resistance in order to get Trump. But, you lefties really ought to take your poll results to heart and realize that you aren't going to win many elections by merely being anti-Trump. Didn't work for Hillary. Isn't going to work in 2018 and isn't going to work in 2020.
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More irony and hypocrisy. "So-called" scandals.

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Moderate Right said:
GDP does not go up all the time. And GDP has gone up at a higher rate under Trump than under Obama.
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False. So long as population increases GDP will always go up over time. We may have a year or two where it slides, but it never lasts. Speaking of years when GDP slide. The last time we saw negative GDP was under Bush when he handed President Obama an economy with -2.8% growth. The following year President Obama and congressional Democrats turned it around and got us to +2.5% growth. That's a net gain of 5.3%, and it's the highest GDP growth we've had in decades. Far better than Trump.

It was only after Republicans got enough seats in the Senate to filibuster Obama's programs that growth slowed.
 
Meanwhile, a significant chunk of our population is underemployed, underpaid, or both, and continues to struggle to put food on the table despite their hard work. Unemployment numbers never tell the whole story.
 
Phys251 said:
Meanwhile, a significant chunk of our population is underemployed, underpaid, or both, and continues to struggle to put food on the table despite their hard work. Unemployment numbers never tell the whole story.
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Conservatives will tell you it's because we liberals are too generous with government hand-outs. Programs for the poor need to be cut to force those lazy underemployed people to get better jobs. The punishment will continue until moral improves.
 
The only piece of economic legislation that this administration has pushed through is unmitigated idiocy according to economists all across the board. If the country is experiencing any sort of economic prosperity at the moment, it is in spite of Trump, not because of him.
 
eohrnberger said:
Quoted for truth.

All you have to do is see how the media is falling all over themselves reporting a 10 year old affair non-stop, and pushing out (ignoring) the positive news the unemployment rate, the labor participation rate. Tells you exactly how biased against this president the media is.
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There is just as much attention given to all of the above as with any president. Trump's numbers aren't

high at all and as more people retire (10,000/day) the worker participation will have as much gravitas as under Obama

whose job creation was never enough, too slow (with repub intransigence) and despite [his] policies...never ever pointing

out just which those policies were. So you begin to see what I've seen since Reagan...100% partisan spin.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Saw this question posted to twitter today. When voting for President in 2020 (assuming Trump is still here and runs) What is more important to you?

The impact of the President's various scandals, or jobs numbers and relatively stable economy during his presidency?
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Both. Contrary to what the GOP claims today....Character and values still matter....or at least they should.
 
StillBallin75 said:
The only piece of economic legislation that this administration has pushed through is unmitigated idiocy according to economists all across the board. If the country is experiencing any sort of economic prosperity at the moment, it is in spite of Trump, not because of him.
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The American economy has been compared to a huge ocean liner. It continues along on momentum for a long time, even after the engines have been put in reverse. Eventually, the effects of different policies do take hold.

My view is that the tax-cuts, that are no more than crumbs to workers and hostility to immigrants at a time when there is low unemployment, will be a drag on growth. The added deficit will raise interest rates, making mortgages and car loans loans more expensive -- taking money out of consumer hands --> lower GDP.
 
MTAtech said:
Really? According to actual facts, four out of eight Obama years have a higher or equal in GDP than under Trump.

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What nonsense are you spewing? First of all, Trump has only been if office one year and that one year is better than Obama's years. Second of all I said GDP doesn't always go up and you posted a cherry picked chart only showing 2010 and later and I posted a link showing that yes, GDP does go down and it went down under Obama.
 
MTAtech said:
Not yet, but the narrative of conservatives is that we should put up with Trump’s immortality because of good economic numbers. I’m saying that it’s a false choice.
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Well all except that I agree with my tagline. Almost all Americans, vote their pocketbook.
 
MTAtech said:
2017 was essentially a continuation of Obama's economy, as the only major piece of legislation was the tax-cuts in December. Now, what do we see? Higher interest rates as government competes with private borrowing. What do the smart people who forecast GDP tell us? GDP growth isn't going to be anything near the 4% promised by Trump and is being forecast below 3%. Since high growth rates are needed to pay for those huge corporate tax cuts, it sure doesn't seem like this is going to happen. All we are going to get for those tax-cuts is a gift to the wealthy.
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Interest rates are going higher because the economy is expanding at a faster rate than under Obama. That's what happens when the economy is super heating.
 
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