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Was Keziah Daum wrong to wear the qipao to her prom?

Was Keziah Daum wrong to wear the qipao to her prom?

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No it wasn't wrong. Its a "free" country, we should be allowed to wear whatever we want. Its not like she meant it for any harm. It was just a dress she liked.
 
Oh hell no. She did indeed "rock that dress". It was a gorgeous garment and she was beautiful wearing it.

Some people must lead very petty lives to fabricate a culture war over a teenager who fell in love with a dress, and wore it to her prom.
 
It was a complete non-issue for it to even be called a controversy.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I think the term "cultural appropriation" needs to be thrown into the trash can of history.
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If I'd ever heard of the term before this thing with the prom dress I don't remember it. I thought being influenced by other cultures was a good thing.
 
X Factor said:
If I'd ever heard of the term before this thing with the prom dress I don't remember it. I thought being influenced by other cultures was a good thing.
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This was the first time I'd heard of it....

 
Absolutely no, it was not wrong.

It's a wonderful piece of attire.

This internet mob pile mentality is really, really ****ty.
 
Redress said:
You know what is wrong? Outrage over what people say on twitter, and making what random people on twitter say into news.
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I guess I disagree. Personally I think it entirely reasonable counter or criticize what people on Twitter say. I sure don't see it as wrong, at all, to defend this girl or her choice.
 
Redress said:
You know what is wrong? Outrage over what people say on twitter, and making what random people on twitter say into news.
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I think the issue is worth looking at.

These twitter mobs that pick up on any old thing and often times propel innocent people into the national or in some cases world spotlight when they were doing something innocent like wearing a certain piece of clothing to Prom is a little out of hand.

This stuff can have severe consequences for some people whether that's in their professional life, social life or even their mental health.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I think the issue is worth looking at.

These twitter mobs that pick up on any old thing and often times propel innocent people into the national or in some cases world spotlight when they were doing something innocent like wearing a certain piece of clothing to Prom is a little out of hand.

This stuff can have severe consequences for some people whether that's in their professional life, social life or even their mental health.
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agreed, and Karma suggests that the idiot who first made an issue of this should be hounded if she wears stuff that is say anglo in origin?
 
I just hope all the people complaining about the dress also complain when non-Manchu Chinese wear it. It is, after all, traditional clothing of the Manchu that the Han culturally appropriated.
 
spud_meister said:
I just hope all the people complaining about the dress also complain when non-Manchu Chinese wear it. It is, after all, traditional clothing of the Manchu that the Han culturally appropriated.
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It was also a dress originally worn for social status in China; high society culture was "culturally appropriated" by common people, another form of "theft". Even worse, it turns out that the dress is derivative of western form fitting styles, a feature expropriated from the western "modernity" and Parisian fashions.

Until 1911, the changpao was required clothing for Chinese men of a certain class, but Han Chinese women continued to wear the traditional Han loose jacket and trousers, with an overskirt for formal occasions. The qipao was a new fashion item for Han Chinese women when they started wearing it around 1925, 13 years after the fall of the Qing dynasty.

The original qipao was wide and loose. It covered most of the woman's body, revealing only the head, hands, and the tips of the toes. The baggy nature of the clothing also served to conceal the figure of the wearer regardless of age.

The modern version was first developed in Shanghai in the 1920s, partly under the influence of Beijing styles. The streamlined and body-hugging cut of the modern cheongsam was popularized by the socialite and one-time First Lady of China Madame Wellington Koo....

People eagerly sought a more modernized style of dress and transformed the old qipao to suit their tastes. Slender and form fitting with a high cut, it had great differences from the traditional qipao. It was high-class courtesans and celebrities in the city that would make these redesigned tight fitting qipao popular at that time.[20]...
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Before the dress appropriated western forms:

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Vote ****ers...:2razz:
 
And I was going to wear my crocodile outfit today. I guess that's out the window too.
 
X Factor said:
I'l post a link that sums up the controversy (if you're not familiar with it) after I get the poll up.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Style/te...rked-cultural-appropriation/story?id=54866211

What do you think?
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I think this will become a tug of war between the "**** PC and anyone who wants it" crowd and the "I'm marginalized so I'll kick you in the guts" crowd, and will have very little to do with the dress.

I guess for me, I err on the side of not being an asshole, when it comes to things people say is hurtful, even if I don't understand. The girl rocked the dress, but she would have rocked any dress, she's smoking...hehe...ah to be 18 again. But if she knows that dressing up in the traditional cloths of another culture, then she chose to be a smokin' hot asshole...and if she didn't, but does now, then it costs her nothing to say "ah, damn, sorry, I didn't mean it like that, thanks for helping me avoid being an asshole in the future".

Now, I know the "**** PC" crowd will have a seizure reading that, but this is a debate forum, not an echo chamber, so I assume you're looking for different opinions, that's mine. Is she the devil? No. Is she an asshole? Maybe... Probably, though, she's just being 18... It's a good conversation to have, but I doubt any minds will change as a result, on either side of the debate.
 
OlNate said:
I think this will become a tug of war between the "**** PC and anyone who wants it" crowd and the "I'm marginalized so I'll kick you in the guts" crowd, and will have very little to do with the dress.

I guess for me, I err on the side of not being an asshole, when it comes to things people say is hurtful, even if I don't understand. The girl rocked the dress, but she would have rocked any dress, she's smoking...hehe...ah to be 18 again. But if she knows that dressing up in the traditional cloths of another culture, then she chose to be a smokin' hot asshole...and if she didn't, but does now, then it costs her nothing to say "ah, damn, sorry, I didn't mean it like that, thanks for helping me avoid being an asshole in the future".

Now, I know the "**** PC" crowd will have a seizure reading that, but this is a debate forum, not an echo chamber, so I assume you're looking for different opinions, that's mine. Is she the devil? No. Is she an asshole? Maybe... Probably, though, she's just being 18... It's a good conversation to have, but I doubt any minds will change as a result, on either side of the debate.
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Ok, so she's the asshole, not any of the people trashing her. If she's running from a mob, she better not run to you for help. :lol:
 
X Factor said:
I guess I disagree. Personally I think it entirely reasonable counter or criticize what people on Twitter say. I sure don't see it as wrong, at all, to defend this girl or her choice.
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We live in a country of over 300 million people. There is always going to be some people in a country of our size that have stupid opinions. With Twitter and other social networks, they can throw their stupid opinions out for everyone to see if they want to. That doesn't make it news. What makes it news is creating a controversy out of a handful of Twitter users stupid opinions.

Most Chinese Americans could give a **** less than this girl picked up a qipao at a vintage store and wore it to prom. However, we let the media elevate this crap to a culture war when it really isn't one, its just a handful of folks with Twitter accounts that are constantly looking for something to get offended about.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I think the issue is worth looking at.

These twitter mobs that pick up on any old thing and often times propel innocent people into the national or in some cases world spotlight when they were doing something innocent like wearing a certain piece of clothing to Prom is a little out of hand.

This stuff can have severe consequences for some people whether that's in their professional life, social life or even their mental health.
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The SJWs on Twitter can't do anything without the media picking this crap up and making into some kind of overblown controversy. We are not hearing about this because some SJWs on Twitter found something else to get offended about, we are hearing about this because the media - left, right, and center - picked it up and blew it up into some fake controversy.
 
OlNate said:
I think this will become a tug of war between the "**** PC and anyone who wants it" crowd and the "I'm marginalized so I'll kick you in the guts" crowd, and will have very little to do with the dress.

I guess for me, I err on the side of not being an asshole, when it comes to things people say is hurtful, even if I don't understand. The girl rocked the dress, but she would have rocked any dress, she's smoking...hehe...ah to be 18 again. But if she knows that dressing up in the traditional cloths of another culture, then she chose to be a smokin' hot asshole...and if she didn't, but does now, then it costs her nothing to say "ah, damn, sorry, I didn't mean it like that, thanks for helping me avoid being an asshole in the future".

Now, I know the "**** PC" crowd will have a seizure reading that, but this is a debate forum, not an echo chamber, so I assume you're looking for different opinions, that's mine. Is she the devil? No. Is she an asshole? Maybe... Probably, though, she's just being 18... It's a good conversation to have, but I doubt any minds will change as a result, on either side of the debate.
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Why would she even think for a second that she's being an asshole. People dress in the clothing of other cultures all the time. Is it cultural appropriation for a Chinese woman to wear a western wedding dress? For a Japanese man to wear a tuxedo?

Interesting lots of native Chinese - at least those on social media - supported her with comments like "if she thinks she looks beautiful in it of course she should wear it" and "I think she's complimenting my culture by wearing it." It was mostly westernized American born asians that seemed to be complaining.
 
DiAnna said:
Oh hell no. She did indeed "rock that dress". It was a gorgeous garment and she was beautiful wearing it.

Some people must lead very petty lives to fabricate a culture war over a teenager who fell in love with a dress, and wore it to her prom.
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I gave one of my neighbors an authentic (my sister purchased several on her travels) dress similar to this
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and she first thought she shouldn't wear it, as did other non colored neighbors. I convinced her otherwise and she loves it.
 
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