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There is a god, there is more then one god/there is no god!

Is there a god(s) or not?

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Matthew 6-1: “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
 
apdst said:
Matthew 6-1: “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
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That sounds like Matt was speaking directly to Americans, doesn't it, apdst? Was he really this great a prophet?
 
camlok said:
That sounds like Matt was speaking directly to Americans, doesn't it, apdst? Was he really this great a prophet?
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Actually, those are The Lord's words, from The Sermon on The Mount.

Before that, He said...

Matthew 5-11: “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."
 
apdst said:
Actually, those are The Lord's words, from The Sermon on The Mount.

Before that, He said...

Matthew 5-11: “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."
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That means the lord says no Americans get to go to heaven but all the peoples of all the countries the US has illegally invaded, brutalized, murdered, napalmed, DPed, cluster bombed so kids would have toys, practiced genocide on, carpet bombed, hired and trained death squads to slaughter innocents, ... are shoo ins.
 
apdst said:
Actually, those are The Lord's words, from The Sermon on The Mount.
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Then dog almighty knew that there would one day be this band of roving war criminals/terrorists/thieves/..., aka the US, and he wasn't able to do anything about it?? That is just weird. But he kicked A & E out of the garden because they ate an apple.

And you folks can't see the hypocrisy, the lunacy, the desperation, the childishness of pretending there is a dog. And if there was, would he be supporting the USA?
 
camlok said:
That means the lord says no Americans get to go to heaven but all the peoples of all the countries the US has illegally invaded, brutalized, murdered, napalmed, DPed, cluster bombed so kids would have toys, practiced genocide on, carpet bombed, hired and trained death squads to slaughter innocents, ... are shoo ins.
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Well, not necessarily...

Ecclesistes 3:1-8

3 For everything there is a season, and a time for every [a]purpose under heaven: 2 a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3 a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5 a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 6 a time to seek, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 7 a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8 a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace.

Psalm 144:1

Blessed be the LORD, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle;
 
apdst said:
Well, not necessarily...

Ecclesistes 3:1-8
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People who quote fictions are often seen as delusional. How far do you think you would get in a court of law quoting the bible to defend murderers?

Remember the religious goofball in the Scopes Monkey Trial? That is what people who quote the bible are like.
 
PleasantValley said:
...and there is no option titled....YES, there is a God and I believe.
BAD POLL.

Elvira, funny how you and I are the only members (so far) who see this obvious flaw.
The questions do not include those that believe, and do not take them into account at all.
BAD POLL.

Now, it is time to opt out and go on to better things.
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I'm not sure I'm getting you, question 1, Do you believe in god? If you do then there is a god (in your opinion).

Question 2, is there more then one god, implies there is at least 1 god but leaves room for additional gods.
 
PleasantValley said:
Yet you never asked if any members believed in any one God or many.
That question does not exist in your options, so how can you expect to get an answer when you do not ask the question in your options? Hmmmm.....
BAD POLL.
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Read question options 1 and 2, maybe I'm reading it wrong.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Like endorsing and voting for Roy Moore?
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Are you still defending Brokaw? There's a third accuser, now. Are you going to hld him to the same standard you held Roy Moore to?
 
Koan said:
What are the odds of being born in the right time, right geographical location to know that humanity has solved any of the universe's mysteries, given the changing nature of the universe and interpretations thereof?
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For me? 100%

But to answer your question, you make only a semi-valid point. Religions have not evolved, built on truths of the past as science has to solve those mysteries. Sure, they copy some of the works of each other and branch from one another. But not based on observable truths. Regardless of the time in which you were born, we have, for the most part, solved more of those mysteries than we had in the past due to the nature of science. So the answer to your question is truly 100%. Regardless of when you were born, or where, the mysteries of the universe continue to be solved as humanity ages.

The major religions that we've had for the past couple of thousand years have not lasted due to being more true than religions of the past, but rather because they came at a time that paper started to become popular, and the scriptures could be passed down in writing from generation to generation. The printing press obviously really allowed branches of the religions to grow as well. Regardless of them being born in the time of paper and print, they are just as likely true as any religion from the past, which is to say, so unlikely that they are not worth considering.
 
There is no God. That being the case, there are no constraints on the thoughts and actions of man except for fear of the law. There is no such thing as morality or ethics. They went out the window along with religion. It is now every man for himself.
 
Elvira said:
Because none of them apply to me...I have no question as to God's existence...I know He exists...
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NO, you do not KNOW that there is an omnipotent deity but you do BELIEVE there is such a being - and that's OK but your belief does not say anything about the existence or non-existence of any god.
 
Waddy said:
There is no God. That being the case, there are no constraints on the thoughts and actions of man except for fear of the law. There is no such thing as morality or ethics. They went out the window along with religion. It is now every man for himself.
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WRONG!!!!

Rational human beings understand the need and the desire to live in harmony with our family, friends and neighbours. Caring for those other people will always reflect upon one in a positive manner. If bonobos and chimpanzees can care for their associates, then homo sapiens should be able to act in a similar fashion, without the mandates of some imaginary deity.

Those humans who call themselves "libertarian" seem to prefer acting in ways that would be seen as unacceptable by some of our simian relatives.
 
Somerville said:
WRONG!!!!

Rational human beings understand the need and the desire to live in harmony with our family, friends and neighbours. Caring for those other people will always reflect upon one in a positive manner. If bonobos and chimpanzees can care for their associates, then homo sapiens should be able to act in a similar fashion, without the mandates of some imaginary deity.

Those humans who call themselves "libertarian" seem to prefer acting in ways that would be seen as unacceptable by some of our simian relatives.
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Caring for those other people will always reflect upon one in a positive manner
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So it should be done because of how it makes you look in the eyes of others. How egotistical. Good job. At least you didn't trot out that tired old moralistic "do unto others'..... but that's too biblical anyways...

The death of "God" liberated men from all those myths you rely upon. Hence the need for Nietzsche's ubermensch. ( He was trying to find a way out of the moral vacuum left by the death of religion). BTW; chimps aren't rational beings, they act by instinct. Man reasons. Sometimes his best interest is harmony; sometimes it isn't. That's our history. You can't rewrite that. I am also free from any man-made constructs of morality and ethics; that's simply another belief system: another form of religion. I, and I alone, determine my actions free of restraint. I may wish to consider consequences, in fact it may be a wise thing, but I'm under no moral or ethical obligation to do so.
 
Waddy said:
So it should be done because of how it makes you look in the eyes of others. How egotistical. Good job. At least you didn't trot out that tired old moralistic "do unto others'..... but that's too biblical anyways...

The death of "God" liberated men from all those myths you rely upon. Hence the need for Nietzsche's ubermensch. ( He was trying to find a way out of the moral vacuum left by the death of religion). BTW; chimps aren't rational beings, they act by instinct. Man reasons. Sometimes his best interest is harmony; sometimes it isn't. That's our history. You can't rewrite that. I am also free from any man-made constructs of morality and ethics; that's simply another belief system: another form of religion. I, and I alone, determine my actions free of restraint. I may wish to consider consequences, in fact it may be a wise thing, but I'm under no moral or ethical obligation to do so.
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For one who labels themselves as "Moderate", you certainly seem to be advocating for rather radical libertarian philosophy.

You also are showing some ignorance about the world when you write that "do unto others" is too biblical, as that belief in regards to helping/working with our fellow humans is found in multiple non-Christian faiths.

You might wish to begin reading some texts outside of your normal self-reinforcing media: Chimps and Bonobos Prove that Moral Behavior is a Product of Evolution

You say that you, and you alone, determine your actions free of any restraint.Do you live on an island with no other humans? Do you have a driver's license, a passport, social security card? Did you file a tax return two weeks ago?
 
Somerville said:
For one who labels themselves as "Moderate", you certainly seem to be advocating for rather radical libertarian philosophy.

You also are showing some ignorance about the world when you write that "do unto others" is too biblical, as that belief in regards to helping/working with our fellow humans is found in multiple non-Christian faiths.

You might wish to begin reading some texts outside of your normal self-reinforcing media: Chimps and Bonobos Prove that Moral Behavior is a Product of Evolution

You say that you, and you alone, determine your actions free of any restraint.Do you live on an island with no other humans? Do you have a driver's license, a passport, social security card? Did you file a tax return two weeks ago?
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You might try reading some dead philosophers. They addressed these questions in depth. maybe too deep for you.

And I do live among humans; what's that got to do with my choices? And I have a drivers license, passport, and SS card. All by choice; my choice. I could decide not to have them. And they in no way reflect any "morality", "ethics", or lack there of. I have them because they are useful to me.

There no longer exists any "moral" reason I shouldn't commit a crime to get what I want; only the fear of being caught. There is no heaven or hell, no judgement day, no Supreme Being who knows my every move. I am only limited by constraints I may, or may not, impose on myself. That and the constraints society imposes (laws) which I can indeed reject if I am ready to face societal consequences. And so everyday I must weigh the risks, as do we all.

I would think it is an enlightened approach. You, and you alone, are responsible for your actions. Society seeks to erect a bulwark against what they consider poor choices, but the choices are still yours and yours alone. So you might decide to do good because it feeds your ego (as in your example), or you may choose to do bad, if you are willing to risk the consequences. But the decision is yours, free of any contrived religious or man made idea of morality or ethics. Become the Ubermensch.
 
lefty louie said:
You won't participate in my poll, well then, I won't answer your question either, so there. What a freaking childish reaction, had to say something just to say something. You don't like the poll or the wording, pass on it, don't be so negative.
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Sorry but it does make it confusing. I assume the first one means you believe there is a God? I voted for that one with that belief.
 
Waddy said:
You might try reading some dead philosophers. They addressed these questions in depth. maybe too deep for you.

And I do live among humans; what's that got to do with my choices? And I have a drivers license, passport, and SS card. All by choice; my choice. I could decide not to have them. And they in no way reflect any "morality", "ethics", or lack there of. I have them because they are useful to me.

There no longer exists any "moral" reason I shouldn't commit a crime to get what I want; only the fear of being caught. There is no heaven or hell, no judgement day, no Supreme Being who knows my every move. I am only limited by constraints I may, or may not, impose on myself. That and the constraints society imposes (laws) which I can indeed reject if I am ready to face societal consequences. And so everyday I must weigh the risks, as do we all.

I would think it is an enlightened approach. You, and you alone, are responsible for your actions. Society seeks to erect a bulwark against what they consider poor choices, but the choices are still yours and yours alone. So you might decide to do good because it feeds your ego (as in your example), or you may choose to do bad, if you are willing to risk the consequences. But the decision is yours, free of any contrived religious or man made idea of morality or ethics. Become the Ubermensch.
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Sounds a bit psychopathic to me...no wait...it sounds a lot psychopathic...
 
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