Do You Have even just one Pro-Trump Friend?

plutonium said:

Trump supporters must really think running this country is a joke or not an important serious job.

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What you will probably never admit to is that it's not really about Trump. It is professional establishment politicians in both political parties that have been running this country into the ground for decades. Trump merely tapped into a populist movement consisting of Americans that are sick and tired of the status quo order of business where the voters only matter at election time and then it's the big donors calling the shots.

Trump is being handled by the Russians. He was set up when he went to see about building a property in Russia. this is how russia recruits assets.. dont stick your head in the sand..

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Baloney! Trump has inflicted sanction on Russia tougher then anything inflicted by his predecessors. And was Trump being handled by the Russians when he recently bombed Syria after repeated warnings by Putin not to?

Trump also said obama conspired with putin... everyone knows and so do you that putin and obama cant stand each other.

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And there is his allowing Hillary Von Pant Suit to enable Putin to gain access to a controlling interest in our uranium stocks.

....by the way why is the government employment report for the country is true now but when obama was prez it was false lol

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Under Obama, it was a sizable net loss in full time jobs. He spun all of the part time jobs that resulted from the disaster known as Obamacare as new jobs created. Unfortunately the number of unemployed skyrocketed.

ObamacareFail said:

Stop the "dude" nonsense or I'll move on. And I am tired of your circular habit of continuing to return to your "Nobody has ever won a trade" war slogan. Which part of "We have been in a trade war for decades" do you not understand? Compare everyone else's tarrifs to ours. If you want to anally insist that Trump is getting us into a trade war, he certainly did not start it. He is only attempting to level the playing field, rather then continuing to surrender to not only our enemies but our friends as well. And for the last time before I move on....is a 150 billion dollar trade deficit just peachy with you?

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Then move on, Dude.

And "nobody ever won a trade war" is not a slogan - it's an observation. China's business sector has already stopped buying our nation's soybeans...and China was the second-biggest consumer for our nation's soybean farmers.

ObamacareFail said:

You are too far off the map for me to take you seriously. I suppose I took it for granted that you understood what the term "mitigate" means. I think it's wonderful that KFC opens locations in China and elsewhere in the world, same with GM making cars for the Chinese market US jobs. And I am still waiting on you answer the the question: "Are you okay with our 150 billion dollar trade deficit?

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FYI, your repeated question on $150B trade deficit is woefully simplistic. That's why I'm not answering...because it can't be properly answered since neither you nor I nor anyone else on DP can determine with certainty the true flow of funds between America and China. YES, we buy a lot more Chinese exports...but by the same token, we have a LOT more American companies who are doing business in China (such as Ford and KFC - but there's many, many more), and guess who profits from the franchising fees and the supplies? For instance, guess where the potatoes are grown for all the french fries that are sold by McDonald's in Asia? America. But like so much else, these would not be counted as part of the trade deficit.

So stop being so simplistic - you're only showing just how ignorant you are by doing so.

Glen Contrarian said:

Then move on, Dude.

And "nobody ever won a trade war" is not a slogan - it's an observation. China's business sector has already stopped buying our nation's soybeans...and China was the second-biggest consumer for our nation's soybean farmers.

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Have a nice day.

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ObamacareFail said:

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Baloney! Trump has inflicted sanction on Russia tougher then anything inflicted by his predecessors. ..



And there is his allowing Hillary Von Pant Suit to enable Putin to gain access to a controlling interest in our uranium stocks.





Under Obama, it was a sizable net loss in full time jobs. He spun all of the part time jobs that resulted from the disaster known as Obamacare as new jobs created. Unfortunately the number of unemployed skyrocketed.

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Not a single supporting link included. Could it be because the claims in the post quoted above are unsupported ..specifically the uranium stocks claim and the "loss" of fulltime jobs....

interpretation of Obama gaffe needs better defense | PolitiFact Georgia
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/apr/02/eric-johnson/interpretation-obama-gaffe-needs-better-defense/
Apr 2, 2012 - Pants on Fire! Johnson. "Obama tells Russia that he'll turn over America's defense system to them if re-elected." — Eric Johnson..
PolitiFact Georgia didn’t see or hear anything about Obama turning over the nation’s missile defense system. We say "nyet" to Johnson’s statement.
This one gets our lowest rating, Pants On Fire.

A shirtless Putin and Obama as secret agent | PolitiFact
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/apr/17/shirtless-putin-and-obama-secret-agent/
Apr 17, 2012 - "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this can be solved, but it's important for him [Putin] to give me space," Obama said. He added, "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility." Medvedev replied, "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir, and I stand with you ...

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LINK
The repeated, incorrect claim that Russia obtained '20 percent of our ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...
Oct 31, 2017 - More than a year ago, the Fact Checker labeled as false various claims that Donald Trump, then a presidential candidate, had made about Hillary Clinton's alleged role in the approval of the sale of a Canadian company, Uranium One, with mining rights in the United States to Rosatom, Russia's nuclear ...

Shep Smith fact-checks Fox News on Clinton, Uranium One deal
money.cnn.com/2017/11/15/media/...l
Nov 15, 2017 - Over the course of six minutes, Shep Smith provided a thorough fact-check of the latest Clinton-related conspiracy theory to capture the attention of Republican lawmakers and his colleagues at Fox News.

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OBAMA TOOK OFFICE ON January 20, 2009.:

Obama Presidency: How Many Jobs Were Added Under Barack Obama? | Money
Here's What Really Happened to Jobs During the Obama Years
By BRAD TUTTLE January 18, 2017
...The U.S. added 2.2 million jobs in 2016, on top of 2.7 million jobs gained in 2015,.. In fact, there has been growth of at least 2 million jobs in each of President Obama’s last six years in office, and there have been 75 consecutive months of jobs growth, a modern-day record....

.Some workers elect for part-time status voluntarily—it’s been easier to do so in the age of Obamacare, after all, when health care is less tied to one’s job. The ranks of involuntary part-time employees, who want full-time work but can’t find it, rose from 8 million in 2008 to a high of 9.2 million in 2010, before falling to 6.6 million in 2015...

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The Job Market Under President Obama, In 8 Charts : NPR
https://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/508600239/what-kind-of-jobs-president-has-obama-been-in-8-charts
Jan 7, 2017 - The final chapter of the Obama economy drew that much closer to its end on Friday, .. Full-time job growth over the course of the Obama presidency has far outstripped part-time job growth, as FiveThirtyEight's Ben Casselman has pointed out.

How Trump compares with Obama so far on jobs - CNN Money
How Trump compares with Obama so far on jobs
Jul 7, 2017 - Hiring has been good under Trump. It was slightly better in Obama's last five months.

How Trump compares with Obama so far on jobs - CNN Money
http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/01/news/economy/jobs-trump-vs-obama/index.html
Sep 1, 2017 - In fact, if Obama left a problem for Trump, it wasn't that the economy was too weak -- it was that the labor market was almost too strong. At full employment, businesses have an extremely difficult time ...

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Not a single supporting link included. Could it be because the claims in the post quoted above are unsupported ..specifically the uranium stocks claim and the "loss" of fulltime jobs....





OBAMA TOOK OFFICE ON January 20, 2009.:

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Do not bother boring me with librul biased sources like politifact or CNN....especially in regards to jobs. I work in the real world and clearly saw what happened in the jobs market as a result of obamacare.

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ObamacareFail said:

I work in the real world

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You mean you aren't in the Matrix? That's awesome, man.

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ObamacareFail said:

Do not bother boring me with librul biased sources like politifact or CNN....especially in regards to jobs. I work in the real world and clearly saw what happened in the jobs market as a result of obamacare.

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Okay, you wanting to keep this limited to winger authored
propaganda driven “feelings”... too partisanized to notice
the NPR reporting I provided a link to. Every supporting source
I presented and you dismissed because you have no verifiable
rebuttal, includes supporting links....even the politifact cites!

So, you are reduced to being the sole unsupported source
in our li’l exchange! Bye!

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Okay, you wanting to keep this limited to winger authored
propaganda driven “feelings”... too partisanized to notice
the NPR reporting I provided a link to. Every supporting source
I presented and you dismissed because you have no verifiable
rebuttal, includes supporting links....even the politifact cites!

So, you are reduced to being the sole unsupported source
in our li’l exchange! Bye!

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Politifact is a left wing nutjob site. CNN is fake news. Just use real grown up sources and we will have a starting point.

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ObamacareFail said:

Politifact is a left wing nutjob site. CNN is fake news. Just use real grown up sources and we will have a starting point.

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Repuglican: You're the bad guys!!

Demorat: No, you're the bad guys!

Repuglican: No, you're the bad guys!!

Demorat: No, you are!

... , ... , ... ad infinitum.

ObamacareFail said:

Do not bother boring me with librul biased sources like politifact or CNN....especially in regards to jobs. I work in the real world and clearly saw what happened in the jobs market as a result of obamacare.

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The conservative mantra: "Do not bother boring me with facts and the truth. I voted for Donald Trump!"

Co worker. Nice guy, but an emotional voter who can't really articulate details about why he feels the way he does about policies he supports.

Polar Bum said:

If I invite friends to my home and they cannot refrain from getting into political arguments and acting like sub adults, its a good bet they will not remain my friend.

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just stick to topics like celebrities and astronomy?

ElChupacabra said:

Co worker. Nice guy, but an emotional voter who can't really articulate details about why he feels the way he does about policies he supports.

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well as with all righties, we get attacked when defending trump. but thats okay. the left wing radicals went over the moon to defend the last president. just shift in tides. now we know what a mistake he was. luckily trump is here to pick up the peaces (get it? peace between the koreas )

biglawnmower said:

well as with all righties, we get attacked when defending trump. but thats okay. the left wing radicals went over the moon to defend the last president. just shift in tides. now we know what a mistake he was. luckily trump is here to pick up the peaces (get it? peace between the koreas )

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For me it's always been more about discussing issues than toeing the party lines. I think where things have gone down hill is in the constant name calling and assigning each group as monoliths. Not all conservatives feel exactly the same about every issue and the same can be said for liberals. If we were all honest we could talk about the issues rather than just defending ideologies blindly, and that's never a good thing when it comes to solving problems. I stopped discussing politics with my co worker when the only response was the usual "whataboutism" instead of debating the actual problem; there's too much of that nowadays.

biglawnmower said:

just stick to topics like celebrities and astronomy?

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Please re-read my post:

Quote Originally Posted by Polar Bum View Post

If I invite friends to my home and they cannot refrain from getting into political arguments and acting like sub adults, its a good bet they will not remain my friend

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Discussion is never a problem, arguments, on the other hand, regardless of subject, will get you an invitation to leave my home.

ElChupacabra said:

For me it's always been more about discussing issues than toeing the party lines. I think where things have gone down hill is in the constant name calling and assigning each group as monoliths. Not all conservatives feel exactly the same about every issue and the same can be said for liberals. If we were all honest we could talk about the issues rather than just defending ideologies blindly, and that's never a good thing when it comes to solving problems. I stopped discussing politics with my co worker when the only response was the usual "whataboutism" instead of debating the actual problem; there's too much of that nowadays.

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One can hope that issues are more important than parties but in order to believe this myth you must believe that parties are not monolithic when in power or out of power. The truth is that like it or not, your nice sane Republican is going to vote Republican every single time. His or her nice opinions or views will be thrown under the rug the day he or she becomes an elected official. The same is true of the left. So the question is not the issue, the question is which side promotes the saner more rational policies as a party. If you believe this version of the Republican Party as a whole and as a governing party is doing what you want, vote for them. Your local official will have to toe the line so at the end of the day, there are two choices. When you pick one you live with everything that choice brings you and the rest of us. Issues are really about discussions within parties. There is no discussion possible between the two sides at this point.

When it comes to FRIENDS (not including family - that would be another thread IMHO) I can think of three friends who are pro-Trump.
One is a fellow former television professional like myself who rather enjoys starting what I think are "attention whore" threads on his FB page, but when I or anyone else corners him on a point he's making, suddenly he deflects and says it's all just a joke and he's trying to be funny.
80 percent of what he posts re Trump is nonsense.
I much prefer talking to him about related video and film stuff instead.

Another is a friend of mine that I've known since second grade. He went in the Marines, came out, worked in the auto sales industry for about twenty-five, maybe thirty years, and has now been beset by some serious health issues which sort of forced him into retirement.
He is VERY BIG on a lot of similar nonsense Trump tropes but with an "Ooo-RAH!!" angle, but if pushed, he doesn't actually have a lot of hard information on the issues, just the big Ooo-RAH for Trump. Again, much more comfortable talking to him about almost anything else but Trump.
He hates getting down into the details of issues.

And another is a lady I used to "know in real life" for a short period of time just before we moved away from Texas. She is a fellow Leon Russell fan, and it's pretty funny to nail her with Leon's own personal views on a lot of the issues of our day, because she seems to think Leon was pro-Trump, and I don't for the life of me know where she ever got that impression. Leon went to great lengths to avoid speaking about politics in general however he was never a supporter of Republican policies. Somehow she seems to think he was.
Right before the Master of Space and Time passed away he did happen to say "If Trump wins, we should all move to Canada."
He wasn't a hardcore raging leftie but he definitely wasn't a fan of Republican values all that much.
This lady gets mad at me and won't speak to me for months at a time, and then suddenly pops up and all is well for a bit, till she tries making some snide remark about some "gotcha!" talking point du jour.
It's always a "gotcha!" angle.

So, where all three are concerned, I find it difficult to deep dive on issues because they shy away. They just like to throw out tropes and memes, but nothing further.
They're all decent people, but it's just not possible to have a serious discussion on politics with them.

And, of course, I know a lot of "Facebook buddies" who I've never met in real life, or who I've only met maybe once, who do much the same thing, they love throwing tropes and memes on their pages. But God help you if you don't agree with them.

I'd have to disagree with this point. I know members of both parties who will split their ticket if they feel that one candidate will perform more in line with their expectations than another. Not all centrists are registered as independents.

IMO it's a problem when they get shouted down by the "death before disloyalty to the party" folks. Giving up and deciding that there is no discussion possible between the two sides indicates one of two things: a voter who feels completely defeated, or a voter that really is saying "my party" is the only possible choice.

I don't live in America. And personally, the only Trump-supporter I've EVER MET (yes, this is true) is an old man I see occasionally round town who wears a "MAGA" Hat (though I suspect he's doing it as a joke). Literally, I've never seen ONE (that's a hyperbole, by the way). And I doubt I would be friends with them if they DID support Trump. The fact is, the only people who support Trump, I think, are some crazy Americans living in some obscure part of Alabama (who comprise 46.1% of the country).
Of course, that last sentence was a joke (or was it?). But the thing is, every person I've met, and I DO get out quite often, just thinks Trump is a hypocrite, liar, bore, sexist, racist, islamophobe, homophobe, etc. Or at least, they think he's ridiculous. And I don't think many people will admit to supporting Trump (I bet they're already regretting their decision).

Hawkeye10 said:

Yes


No



Explain if you feel you must.




tyvm






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I would think that with the poll results overwhelming being "yes" that the left would take some time to actually understand why a friend would be pro Trump instead of labeling them what the far left wants them labeled as. This goes toward the tolerance that the left claim they have, which I haven't seen much of.

Acquaintances yes. True friends no.

Trumpers are a cancer in american society

We have seen who they are at Trump's rallies

I never talk to friends "in real life" about politics. But if any of them bring up the subject with me, I will not keep my mouth shut.

What there a need to necro an almost 2 year old thread?