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Should Randa Jarrar and other Highly Offensive and Divisive University Professors Lose Their Jobs?

Should Randa Jarrar and other Highly Offensive and Divisive University Professors Lose Their Jobs?


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Just recently, Professor Randa Jarrar from the California State University of Fresno started a furor by posting a series of rather inflammatory tweets celebrating the death of the late First Lady Barbara Bush. And she has received a fair amount of backlash for it. I just want to disclose the fact that I have actually made the acquaintance of Mrs. Jarrar, and, personally, I could not stand her and found her a repellant loudmouth at that time.

Now, in the past few years, there have been calls mostly from the Political Left but also from the Political Right (starting in recent memory with Ward Churchill) for Professors who have made statements or who hold social/political views that people find grossly offensive to lose their jobs. Now, if Randa Jarrar worked for a private company (ANY private company), there would most likely be calls on all sides for her being fired.

So my question to the Forum is whether Randa Jarrar specifically and professors in general should be subject to firing if the public finds them grossly offensive? If yes, why? And if you say no, would you say that this principle stands no matter how offensive you personally find it?

And before anyone says anything, this is a normative discussion, not a positive one. Please no one say "Well, it's the University's right to keep or fire an offensive professor." We all know that it is a University's right to do so (though tenured professors can only be fired for cause or exigent circumstances). I want to know whether any given University should fire a professor for being deeply offensive to many or even the majority of people?
 
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This thread is so sad...it is so sad that we have slipped so much that we dont know....it matters not one God Damn if educators are offensive, it matters that they educate, and to some lessor degree it matters that they are right.

It is time to wake up now.
 
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In college? No. I don’t care if they are offensive as long as they do the job. You can choose to take their class or not. High school and down is a different story, IMO.
 
The Right has engaged in an all-out war against anything it doesn't like in colleges while, ironically, accusing colleges of doing the very same thing. If he keeps his job, I can assure everyone that he will be the target of a malicious, coordinated troll attack until he leaves.

I remember the good old days where professors had to do something bad to get fired. Let's get back to that. Give this guy a stern warning and nothing more.
 
The Right has engaged in an all-out war against anything it doesn't like in colleges while, ironically, accusing colleges of doing the very same thing. If he keeps his job, I can assure everyone that he will be the target of a malicious, coordinated troll attack until he leaves.

I remember the good old days where professors had to do something bad to get fired. Let's get back to that. Give this guy a stern warning and nothing more.

I remember the days before professors where largely replaced by itinerant low wage workers, and before the educators had vast portions of their power sucked up by administrators, but I meander from the point.....
 
I want to know whether any given University should fire a professor for being deeply offensive to many or even the majority of people?
Not automatically. It should be more a question of if and how the organisation is impacted and how the employees work could be affected (including working relationships with colleagues, subordinates and students). I’m not sure people just finding her comments unpleasant and distasteful alone is sufficient for action. After all, while this is a clear and extreme example, pretty much anything we all do and say could be considered offensive to someone and it can be very easy for much more subtle comments and opinions to be blown up in to a big controversy (either naturally or by someone choosing to deliberately stir it up).
 
Just recently, Professor Randa Jarrar from the California State University of Fresno started a furor by posting a series of rather inflammatory tweets celebrating the death of the late First Lady Barbara Bush. And she has received a fair amount of backlash for it. I just want to disclose the fact that I have actually made the acquaintance of Mrs. Jarrar, and, personally, I could not stand her and found her a repellant loudmouth at that time.

Now, in the past few years, there have been calls mostly from the Political Left but also from the Political Right (starting in recent memory with Ward Churchill) for Professors who have made statements or who hold social/political views that people find grossly offensive to lose their jobs. Now, if Randa Jarrar worked for a private company (ANY private company), there would most likely be calls on all sides for her being fired.

So my question to the Forum is whether Randa Jarrar specifically and professors in general should be subject to firing if the public finds them grossly offensive? If yes, why? And if you say no, would you say that this principle stands no matter how offensive you personally find it?

And before anyone says anything, this is a normative discussion, not a positive one. Please no one say "Well, it's the University's right to keep or fire an offensive professor." We all know that it is a University's right to do so (though tenured professors can only be fired for cause or exigent circumstances). I want to know whether any given University should fire a professor for being deeply offensive to many or even the majority of people?

Bottom line, the right to free speech, even offensive speech, must be protected. The university should address the matter in those terms.
 
Reading her tweets she sounds like a terrible person. I would not be interested in attending anything with her. As for her employment status, I respect the right of the university to decide.
 
This thread is so sad...it is so sad that we have slipped so much that we dont know....it matters not one God Damn if educators are offensive, it matters that they educate, and to some lessor degree it matters that they are right.

It is time to wake up now.
I would like to say it shouldn't matter what an educator does in their free time.But what if you found out your child's teacher had a white supremacy blog or did black supremacy pod casts or some other racist **** while off the clock? I would think that would make many people wonder what that teacher has been teaching the kids and if that teacher has actually been grading the kids fairly on their school assignments.
 
On a free speech basis? NO.

Professor Randa Jarrar says she can say anything and cannot be fired due to her tenured status.

However, Fresno university is being threatened by many of its large financial donors.

Be interesting to see how this one plays out.
 
This thread is so sad...it is so sad that we have slipped so much that we dont know....it matters not one God Damn if educators are offensive, it matters that they educate, and to some lessor degree it matters that they are right.

It is time to wake up now.

She's not an educator. She's a propagandist warping the minds of our youth.
 
The Right has engaged in an all-out war against anything it doesn't like in colleges while, ironically, accusing colleges of doing the very same thing. If he keeps his job, I can assure everyone that he will be the target of a malicious, coordinated troll attack until he leaves.

I remember the good old days where professors had to do something bad to get fired. Let's get back to that. Give this guy a stern warning and nothing more.

Let's not pretend that colleges aren't bastions of far leftists and essentially Communists.
 
I would like to say it shouldn't matter what an educator does in their free time.But what if you found out your child's teacher had a white supremacy blog or did black supremacy pod casts or some other racist **** while off the clock? I would think that would make many people wonder what that teacher has been teaching the kids and if that teacher has actually been grading the kids fairly on their school assignments.

That's views are essentially standard at college campuses. As such, I don't understand what good parents are doing sending their children to these institutions. All they learn is to hate their parents, hate God, and hate their ancestry.
 
That's views are essentially standard at college campuses. As such, I don't understand what good parents are doing sending their children to these institutions. All they learn is to hate their parents, hate God, and hate their ancestry.

Most of the media is ran by leftists and they are not going to highlight the leftist lunacy that goes on many of these college campuses. Very few movies and tv shows depict the liberal nonsense that goes on in some of these universities. Some parents are probably not aware of what goes on.Some parents probably think their child will comeback the same. Some probably parents see the leftist lunacy as a necessary evil so that their child can have a good paying job and they don't have a pick of which school they can go to.
 
Let's not pretend that colleges aren't bastions of far leftists and essentially Communists.
LMAO, anything to the left of Dick Cheney is "far left" to you. :lamo
 
Of course not. This rush to ruin people for things they say, or opinions they hold, is noxious no matter where it comes from.
 
Just recently, Professor Randa Jarrar from the California State University of Fresno started a furor by posting a series of rather inflammatory tweets celebrating the death of the late First Lady Barbara Bush. And she has received a fair amount of backlash for it. I just want to disclose the fact that I have actually made the acquaintance of Mrs. Jarrar, and, personally, I could not stand her and found her a repellant loudmouth at that time.

Now, in the past few years, there have been calls mostly from the Political Left but also from the Political Right (starting in recent memory with Ward Churchill) for Professors who have made statements or who hold social/political views that people find grossly offensive to lose their jobs. Now, if Randa Jarrar worked for a private company (ANY private company), there would most likely be calls on all sides for her being fired.

So my question to the Forum is whether Randa Jarrar specifically and professors in general should be subject to firing if the public finds them grossly offensive? If yes, why? And if you say no, would you say that this principle stands no matter how offensive you personally find it?

And before anyone says anything, this is a normative discussion, not a positive one. Please no one say "Well, it's the University's right to keep or fire an offensive professor." We all know that it is a University's right to do so (though tenured professors can only be fired for cause or exigent circumstances). I want to know whether any given University should fire a professor for being deeply offensive to many or even the majority of people?

First you have to eliminate the University tenure system that protects their jobs unequivocally.
 
She's not an educator. She's a propagandist warping the minds of our youth.

She is an educator, like it or not, and has the same 1A rights as everyone else, and is protected by tenure.
 
Most of the media is ran by leftists and they are not going to highlight the leftist lunacy that goes on many of these college campuses. Very few movies and tv shows depict the liberal nonsense that goes on in some of these universities. Some parents are probably not aware of what goes on.Some parents probably think their child will comeback the same. Some probably parents see the leftist lunacy as a necessary evil so that their child can have a good paying job and they don't have a pick of which school they can go to.

It's amazing how our news outlets, entertainment media, and educational institutions are all run by rabid leftists, yet no one wants to detach themselves from what they produce.
 
She is an educator, like it or not, and has the same 1A rights as everyone else, and is protected by tenure.

And I intend to never let my child anywhere near her or her institution.
 
Just recently, Professor Randa Jarrar from the California State University of Fresno started a furor by posting a series of rather inflammatory tweets celebrating the death of the late First Lady Barbara Bush. And she has received a fair amount of backlash for it. I just want to disclose the fact that I have actually made the acquaintance of Mrs. Jarrar, and, personally, I could not stand her and found her a repellant loudmouth at that time.

Now, in the past few years, there have been calls mostly from the Political Left but also from the Political Right (starting in recent memory with Ward Churchill) for Professors who have made statements or who hold social/political views that people find grossly offensive to lose their jobs. Now, if Randa Jarrar worked for a private company (ANY private company), there would most likely be calls on all sides for her being fired.

So my question to the Forum is whether Randa Jarrar specifically and professors in general should be subject to firing if the public finds them grossly offensive? If yes, why? And if you say no, would you say that this principle stands no matter how offensive you personally find it?

And before anyone says anything, this is a normative discussion, not a positive one. Please no one say "Well, it's the University's right to keep or fire an offensive professor." We all know that it is a University's right to do so (though tenured professors can only be fired for cause or exigent circumstances). I want to know whether any given University should fire a professor for being deeply offensive to many or even the majority of people?

If the only issue is merely being offensive, then no, they should not be fired.

However, if the statement demonstrates an issue that calls into question the professors ability to do their job competently and fairly, then yes.
 
Lol, you think that Dick Cheney is right?

Don't even try to suggest that Cheney is anything other than Far-Right if you want to establish any credibility among reasonable people.

And I intend to never let my child anywhere near her or her institution.

Once they're of legal age, that's not your decision.
 
She's not an educator. She's a propagandist warping the minds of our youth.

Have you heard my argument that the University has failed?

I have some sympathy for your argument.
 
I would like to say it shouldn't matter what an educator does in their free time.But what if you found out your child's teacher had a white supremacy blog or did black supremacy pod casts or some other racist **** while off the clock? I would think that would make many people wonder what that teacher has been teaching the kids and if that teacher has actually been grading the kids fairly on their school assignments.

We are a people of laws.....if people are not found guilty of crimes then leave them alone 99% of the time.

THAT'S MY POLICY
 
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