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Former POTUS George W. Bush is not a war criminal.

And yet no one can provide an answer.

You are promoting a certainty that logic, reason, common sense, truth, and reality do not exist in your paradigm. Have a nice day.
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Did it?

"Not long" appears to be more than a couple years.

A couple years is not long. Hell, that's nearly hasty in diplomatic terms. The official justification for the destruction of the country, weapons of mass destruction, bubbled on the back burner for more than a decade while Iraq was at war with Iran before it was decided to use it as an excuse.
 
Why was Iraq invaded? Because Saddam Hussein DID NOT allow unfettered inspection of suspected sites for production and storage of WMDS - FACT
Not a fact. There were inspectors on the ground just before the invasion. Saddam didn't cooperate earlier because he charged the the UN inspectors had US spies infiltrating his country. We found out that Saddam was right. Also why would weapon inspectors want to inspect his palace. Do you honestly think Saddam was storing his stockpile at his palace. Read the actual reports. Ritter, Kelly and Kay have said the US were making the inspections more difficult than Saddam had. We also know that Saddam was afraid of Iran attacking so he wanted the world to believe he was not defenseless.

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis suffered through the embargo - FACT.
Yes this is partly right. Also hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were suffering through US bombing. The embargo and bombing were acts of the US and UN.

The embargo was maintained because Saddam Hussein DID NOT keep to the agreements that were signed as part of the ceasefire. FACT
Not a fact. he UN (through the UK and US) were toying with Saddam. Saddam was complying more and more. Read the actual reports and not the cherry picked versions by the US media. Scholar Ramon Das, in the Human Rights Research Journal of the New Zealand Center for Public Law, examined each of the "most widely accepted ethical frameworks" in the context of violations of Iraqi human rights under the sanctions, finding that "primary responsibility rests with the UNSC [United Nations Security Council]" under these frameworks, including rights-utilitarianism, moral Kantianism, and consequentialism. Many academics, American and UN officials, and Iraqi citizens contend that this ignored the overriding control of Saddam Hussein and the corrupt contractors who maintained it, as well as the consequences of allowing Hussein to continue his policies with no deterrence and unlimited capacity
Hans Koechler -- Ethical Aspects of Sanctions in International Law



On the other hand...

Instead, you were fooled into justifying pre-emptive war by the same administration that misled you about many other details obtained
via responsible intelligence gathering and political agenda free analysis of intelligence gathered.
- OPINION
Actually, that's the closet thing to a fact you've said.
 
A couple years is not long. Hell, that's nearly hasty in diplomatic terms. The official justification for the destruction of the country, weapons of mass destruction, bubbled on the back burner for more than a decade while Iraq was at war with Iran before it was decided to use it as an excuse.

You have me there.
 
DaveFagan

The man who couldn't answer straight....

How many were killed by coalition troops?

Truth....

Not even close to your fever dreams. No where near what RT, Al Jazeera or Baghdad Bob told you.

You have zero clue. You are just mouthing long rejected talking points... As usual.

How many US troops died because of the lies of the G W Bush administration?

Wasn't enuff for you, was it?
 
He is by far the most intelligent, well spoken, least corrupt Republican president we've had in the last 25 years.

G W is a worthless piece of ****; end of story ...............
 
And yet no one can provide an answer.

I don't think there is an accurate estimate that anyone could give with any real certainty.

You want to argue statistical data, and that's fine. But it sets the parameter of the argument such that it eliminates honest discussion of the global impact of the invasion. There are a number of sources for OIF - Lancet, IBC, WHO, etc. But the numbers vary and a lot of the time the specific perpetrator is unknown.

What we do know is that the U.S. decision to invade Iraq and then not properly manage the occupation or secure the country from outside actors was the catalyst for tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths. This is supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence. If you choose to ignore that, then there is clearly nothing left to discuss.
 
I don't think there is an accurate estimate that anyone could give with any real certainty.

You want to argue statistical data, and that's fine. But it sets the parameter of the argument such that it eliminates honest discussion of the global impact of the invasion. There are a number of sources for OIF - Lancet, IBC, WHO, etc. But the numbers vary and a lot of the time the specific perpetrator is unknown.

What we do know is that the U.S. decision to invade Iraq and then not properly manage the occupation or secure the country from outside actors was the catalyst for tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths. This is supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence. If you choose to ignore that, then there is clearly nothing left to discuss.

Ball Park it.

Coalition deaths vs. Saddam deaths vs. Bad Iraqis being bad Iraqis.
 
Ball Park it.

Coalition deaths vs. Saddam deaths vs. Bad Iraqis being bad Iraqis.

Why? It's a moot point in the context of the larger discussion. Why don't you throw a figure up there, as it appears you are trying to lay a trap for someone. Let's just get it out there and we can expedite the conversation.
 
Why? It's a moot point in the context of the larger discussion. Why don't you throw a figure up there, as it appears you are trying to lay a trap for someone. Let's just get it out there and we can expedite the conversation.

There was a claim that deaths due to the invasion far exceeded deaths at Saddam's hands.
 
If you believe my statement to be untrue then prove it. Name someone.

He is by far the most intelligent, well spoken, least corrupt Republican president we've had in the last 25 years. = This statement?

believe what you like; I really don't give a flying ****.

Just because Trump is a complete asshat doesn't offer G W a pass; they are both ****ing morons. How anyone would ever be inclined to vote for either is beyond ****ing amazing, in a very bad way, of course.

Because of G W Bush thousands of US troops lost their lives, and about 1.5 million other humans also died.
Hell of a record for a war of choice.
Too bad Barbara didn't have an abortion.
 
They are still dying due to the ignorance of people like yourself that will not read the documented truth of the past and take responsibility for their evil actions. You represent the problem.
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Coming from a North Korea fanboy such as yourself, you have no credibility; furthermore, you thinking overthrowing an dictator who gassed his own people is "evil" is rather telling.
 
Coming from a North Korea fanboy such as yourself, you have no credibility; furthermore, you thinking overthrowing an dictator who gassed his own people is "evil" is rather telling.

your support of a US supported dictator (Saddam) gassing Iranian troops & Iranian civilians with the blessing of Ronny RayGun is telling
 
He is by far the most intelligent, well spoken, least corrupt Republican president we've had in the last 25 years.

Well now when you are the only one that can be reasonably managed.....
 
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