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The poll question should read: Was the 2016 election result driven by facts or by misogyny and racism backlash?

If not Hillary in 2016, who? If not a female elected POTUS in 2016, when?

There are not even yet noticeable levels of contrite 2016 Trump voters. Can anyone cite evidence that facts persuaded voters to vote for Trump in sufficient numbers
to give him an electoral college vote majority?

https://www.wellesley.edu/events/commencement/archives/1969commencement/studentspeech
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[h=4]Introduction[/h]In addition to inviting Senator Brooke to speak to them this morning, the Class of '69 has expressed a desire [for a student] to speak to them and for them at this morning's commencement. There was no debate so far as I could ascertain as to who their spokesman was to be: Miss Hillary Rodham. Member of this graduating class, she is a major in political science and a candidate for the degree with honors. In four years she has combined academic ability with active service to the College, her junior year having served as a Vil Junior, and then as a member of Senate and during the past year as president of College Government and presiding officer of College Senate. She is also cheerful, good humored, good company, and a good friend to all of us and it is a great pleasure to present to this audience Miss Hillary Rodham.
[h=4]Remarks of Hillary D. Rodham ......[/h]

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...migrant-rape-epidemic/?utm_term=.ca3eb822aafa
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President Trump has returned to the controversial — and unproven — claim that arguably launched his 2016 campaign, accusing migrants headed for the United States of epidemic rape and the countries they come from of sending criminals northward.
On Thursday in West Virginia, Trump addressed the so-called migrant “caravan” that he has been tweeting and warning about for days.
“They're not putting their good ones,” Trump said. “And remember my opening remarks at Trump Tower when I opened. Everybody said, 'Oh, he was so tough.' And I used the word 'rape.' And yesterday it came out where, this journey coming up, women are raped at levels that nobody has ever seen before. They don't want to mention that.”
As with Trump's claim in June 2015, there is almost no actual evidence on which to base this claim. It's not clear what Trump means by “yesterday it came out,” given there don't appear to be any mainstream news reports of a rape epidemic taking place in the caravan. The only mentions of rape with regard to the caravan in recent days, in fact, refer to criminal behavior that the migrants have been trying to escape in their home countries or along the route.
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Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Are you STILL trying to figure out why Hillary lost?

It's simple: The people.
 
Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Are you STILL trying to figure out why Hillary lost?

It's simple: The people.

...There are not even yet noticeable levels of contrite 2016 Trump voters.....

https://www.wellesley.edu/events/commencement/archives/1969commencement/studentspeech
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There was no debate so far as I could ascertain as to who their spokesman was to be: Miss Hillary Rodham....

Donald Trump's CPAC Crowd Chants 'Lock Her Up!' 472 ... - YouTube
Video for youtube.com rick gates lock her up▶ 7:03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2McQNCn5_tI
Feb 23, 2018 - Uploaded by MSNBC
On Trump's 400th day in office, 472 days after the 2016 election ended, Trump's CPAC crowd shouted 'Lock ...

Michael Flynn leads 'lock her up' chant at 2016 RNC - YouTube
Video for youtube.com flynn lock her up▶ 2:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx94428MYcc
Dec 1, 2017 - Uploaded by CNN
Gen. Michael Flynn advocates for the imprisonment of Hillary Clinton over her use of a private email server ...

Read Rick Gates' plea document - CNNPolitics - CNN.com
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/rick-gates-plea-document/index.html
Feb 23, 2018 - Former Donald Trump campaign official Rick Gates will plead guilty Friday afternoon to two criminal charges in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.

Link
Judge skewers Manafort's civil case challenging Mueller's powers
https://www.reuters.com/...trump.../judge-skewers-manaforts-civil-case-challenging-m...
6 days ago - WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A federal judge tore into all of the legal arguments that a lawyer for President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort made on Wednesday in his long-shot civil case to convince her that Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation has run amok and should ...

U.S. judge appears dismissive of Manafort lawsuit challenging Mueller ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...judge...manafort.../2debea4a-3826-11e8-acd5-35eac...
4 days ago - 'I don't understand what's left to your case,' judge says after Manafort moved to dismiss criminal indictments.
 
Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Neither of your options apply.

Depending on one's viewpoint, neither were "more qualified or trusted;" it was clearly a choice between the lesser of two evils.

As for "racism and misogyny backlash?" That is a narrative pushed ONLY by the Progressive-Left and has almost no basis in reality.

The backlash was against SJW Progressive-Left identity politics and a desire to shake up Big Government by electing an outsider...ANY outsider...and Trump was clearly the only candidate opposed by both the Left and the S.S.D.D. (Same S**T, Different Day) insular Republican leadership.

This is NOT the first time an outsider had the chance. Anyone old enough to remember Ross Perot's 3rd Party candidacy knows this urge to elect an outsider has been around a while.

The big difference was Hillary depended on polls and concentrated on NYC, Chicago, L.A., and San Francisco popularity and the Blue Wall for the win...while Trump worked the Electoral College angle via old fashioned campaign stumping from State to State including the Rust Belt removing several bricks from that Blue Wall the Democrats assumed they would win.
 
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Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Are you STILL trying to figure out why Hillary lost?

It's simple: The people.

Moi? Is that who you think my question is about....? Are you mocking me for being too persistent? What about your "winner"?

LINK


Every Time Trump Tweeted About Hillary Clinton During the First Year ...
Every Time Trump Tweeted About Hillary Clinton During the First Year of His Presidency
Jan 19, 2018 - In the year since he took the oath of office, Trump has tweeted about Clinton (or her 2016 presidential campaign) by name (or nickname) 77 times. That is an average of roughly one Clinton-themed tweet every 4.7 days, though the tweets have often appeared in angry bursts rather than evenly spaced out ...

'Lock Her Up' Becomes More Than a Slogan - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/14/us/.../trump-pressure-clinton-investigation.html
Nov 14, 2017 - WASHINGTON — President Trump did not need to send a memo or telephone his attorney general to make his desires known. He broadcast them for all the world to see on Twitter. The instruction was clear: The Justice Department should investigate his defeated opponent from last year's campaign.

11 times Trump threatened Clinton with prison - CNN Video - CNN.com
Video for times trump tweets investigate hillary▶ 1:19
https://www.cnn.com/.../trump-clinton-doj-special-prosecutor-vstan-o...
Nov 17, 2017
Pres. Trump has learned that the promises he made as a candidate to appoint a special prosecutor to ...
Trump-O-Meter: Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary ...
PolitiFact | Ooooh, not good. 404 error...
As we've noted, on May 18, the day Mueller was tapped to investigate the Trump campaign, the president complained on Twitter that a special counsel wasn't appointed for ... Trump again tweeted about Clinton hours after the investigation into his campaign's ties to Russia escalated dramatically when Mueller unsealed two ...

Trump tweets fresh attacks on Democrats and Hillary Clinton amid ...
www.latimes.com/.../la-pol-updates-trump-tweets-russia-republican-anger-htmlstory.ht...
Trump tweets praise of Bob Dole after awarding him Congressional Gold Medal ... Never seen such Republican ANGER & UNITY as I have concerning the lack of investigation on Clinton made Fake Dossier (now $12,000,000?),.

Trump urges 'deep state authorities' to investigate Hillary Clinton in ...
www.latimes.com/.../la-pol-updates-everything-president-trump-urges-deep-state-auth...
Trump tweets that Iranian protesters will see 'great' U.S. support 'at the appropriate time'. Jan 2 ... President Trump continues to call for renewed scrutiny of the investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while she was secretary of State, which the Justice Department formally closed more than a year ago.
 
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Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Neither of your options apply.

Depending on one's viewpoint, neither were "more qualified or trusted;" it was clearly a choice between the lesser of two evils.

As for "racism and misogyny backlash?" That is a narrative pushed ONLY by the Progressive-Left and has almost no basis in reality.

The backlash was against SJW Progressive-Left identity politics and a desire to shake up Big Government by electing an outsider...ANY outsider...and Trump was clearly the only candidate opposed by both the Left and the S.S.D.D. (Same S**T, Different Day) insular Republican leadership.

This is NOT the first time an outsider had the chance. Anyone old enough to remember Ross Perot's 3rd Party candidacy knows this urge to elect an outsider has been around a while.

The big difference was Hillary depended on polls and concentrated on NYC, Chicago, L.A., and San Francisco popularity and the Blue Belt for the win...while Trump worked the Electoral College angle via old fashioned campaign stumping from State to State including the Rust Belt the Democrats assumed they would win.

Waaaaay too cerebral.... you give Trump voters' thought process as a driving factor, too much credit.:

Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump | FiveThirtyEight

............I took a list of all 981 U.S. counties1 with 50,000 or more people2 and sorted it by the share of the population3 that had completed at least a four-year college degree. Hillary Clinton improved on President Obama’s 2012 performance in 48 of the country’s 50 most-well-educated counties. And on average, she improved on Obama’s margin of victory in these countries by almost 9 percentage points, even though Obama had done pretty well in them to begin with.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/redi...ement/archives/1969commencement/studentspeech

....There was no debate so far as I could ascertain as to who their spokesman was to be: Miss Hillary Rodham....

The facts, at least the details of her resume and what is proven she has done wrong, do not back your predisposition towards her. She did not EFF anyone, but is treated worse than
the adulterer, Barbara Walters, who had an adulterous affair with the Senator (Brooke) Hillary criticized the commencement speech of in 1969.

Have you attempted to put yourself in Hillary's shoes.... an intelligent, driven, opinionated woman accomplishing firsts in a white mens' world, under persistent conservative attack
from Arkansas in the 80's until today, all while married to the same charismatic and deeply flawed man. Would she have been better regarded if she had divorced?
If you believe, yes, where is the precedent supporting that divorce would have made a positive difference?

IOW, what criteria did you use in determining the weight of the negatives influencing your opinion of her?
 
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Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Poll is biased as ****, so I refuse to vote. This right here is the problem, and on of the reasons why Hillary lost. Painting the opposition as racist and misogynists. Wrong. The reason why Trump won is not because he was the more honest candidate, or anything like that. It is because he ran a more solid campaign than Hillary Clinton did, and Donald Trump resonated with voters more so than Hillary did. Not to mention that a lot of the states that Trump won, Hillary did not take the time to visit.

Painting the opposition as all evil racists and misogynists is stupid, and fails to look at the core of the issue.
 
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Caution, based on his reply to my post he might think your response is either "too cerebral," or perhaps too delusional. ;)

He can say whatever he wants. Doesn't matter to me. ;)

And also to add further: Hillary's failure to unite the Democrats due to the DNC's shady practices.
 
Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

The poll question should read: Was the 2016 election result driven by facts or by misogyny and racism backlash?

If not Hillary in 2016, who? If not a female elected POTUS in 2016, when?

There are not even yet noticeable levels of contrite 2016 Trump voters. Can anyone cite evidence that facts persuaded voters to vote for Trump in sufficient numbers
to give him an electoral college vote majority?



vs....

There are many reasons why Hillary lost. Hillary controlled probably the biggest reasons. Some though were beyond her control. I cited laziness on her part and an inept campaign strategy. Along with the energy and enthusiasm Trump installed in his supporters, to where they were willing to go to the four corners of the earth for him. Whereas Hillary's failed to install much energy and enthusiasm in hers. Hillary had many more supporters, a bigger base of support, but she failed to energize them.

The DNC and Democratic Party leaders didn't do Hillary any favors by rigging the primaries in her favor either. This caused many Sanders supporters to stay home and not vote, then those who did, a whopping 27% either voted for Trump or third party. More than enough to give her victories in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania if they had voted in the same percentage as the Democratic base did.

Hillary also received a lower percentage across the board in all voting groups than Obama. She wasn't very inspiring, rather drab. Definitely non-charismatic. She also gave independents the feeling she was aloof, above them. I suppose this may be why 70% of independents on election day had a negative view of her. The polls called this unfavorable view. Trump who won independents was up there also at 57%. Being viewed less negatively than Hillary helped Trump win that group of voters.

There plenty more reasons. but not racism or being a woman. She controlled her own destiny and blew it.
 
Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Waaaaay too cerebral.... you give Trump voters' thought process as a driving factor, too much credit.:





The facts, at least the details of her resume and what is proven she has done wrong, do not back your predisposition towards her. She did not EFF anyone, but is treated worse than
the adulterer, Barbara Walters, who had an adulterous affair with the Senator (Brooke) Hillary criticized the commencement speech of in 1969.

Have you attempted to put yourself in Hillary's shoes.... an intelligent, driven, opinionated woman accomplishing firsts in a white mens' world, under persistent conservative attack
from Arkansas in the 80's until today, all while married to the same charismatic and deeply flawed man. Would she have been better regarded if she had divorced?
If you believe, yes, where is the precedent supporting that divorce would have made a positive difference?

IOW, what criteria did you use in determining the weight of the negatives influencing your opinion of her?

LOL, that's easy, Democratic turnout determined the weight of the negatives.
 
Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Facts in my opinion..... I didn't vote for Trump, but preferred him over Hillary... still do.

Hillary was the establishment and corrupt candidate, Trump was the wild card.

And the Supreme court seat was extremely important.
 
Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Donald Trump's CPAC Crowd Chants 'Lock Her Up!' 472 ... - YouTube
Video for youtube.com rick gates lock her up▶ 7:03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2McQNCn5_tI
Feb 23, 2018 - Uploaded by MSNBC
On Trump's 400th day in office, 472 days after the 2016 election ended, Trump's CPAC crowd shouted 'Lock ...

Michael Flynn leads 'lock her up' chant at 2016 RNC - YouTube
Video for youtube.com flynn lock her up▶ 2:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx94428MYcc
Dec 1, 2017 - Uploaded by CNN
Gen. Michael Flynn advocates for the imprisonment of Hillary Clinton over her use of a private email server ...

Read Rick Gates' plea document - CNNPolitics - CNN.com
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/rick-gates-plea-document/index.html
Feb 23, 2018 - Former Donald Trump campaign official Rick Gates will plead guilty Friday afternoon to two criminal charges in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.

What's your point?
 
Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Moi? Is that who you think my question is about....? Are you mocking me for being too persistent? What about your "winner"?

Again, what's your point?
 
Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

The poll question should read: Was the 2016 election result driven by facts or by misogyny and racism backlash?

If not Hillary in 2016, who? If not a female elected POTUS in 2016, when?

There are not even yet noticeable levels of contrite 2016 Trump voters. Can anyone cite evidence that facts persuaded voters to vote for Trump in sufficient numbers
to give him an electoral college vote majority?



vs....

Gotta love the narrative that it was a racism backlash. Not. Seriously how could it have had anything to do with race when both of the major candidates were of the same race? What were they supposed to do? Elect Obama again? Oh wait, couldn't. Oh I know! Sheriff Clark! We could have elected him! Oh wait...he didn't run. Well darn it....guess that only leaves two people that could be chosen....

Trump, a braggart but at the time of the elections didn't have any scandals beyond peoples personal opinions of whether he was racist or misogynistic and MAYBE sexually assaulted some women but for all people knew it was nothing more than a political ploy by Democrats to smear Trump and was suspicious due to the timing.

or

Hillary who has had MULTIPLE political scandals for decades

Yeah, Trump is definitely no saint by even the slimmest of margins. But at the time of the election he was the "cleanest" of the two candidates.

Quite frankly we had crap for Presidential selection thanks to our two party system. None of the other candidates that were not Dem or Rep stood a chance. Maybe if we managed to oust the two party system we'd have more selections and wouldn't have to put up with crappy ones like Hillary and Trump.
 
Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Again, what's your point?

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There are not even yet noticeable levels of contrite 2016 Trump voters. Can anyone cite evidence that facts persuaded voters to vote for Trump in sufficient numbers
to give him an electoral college vote majority?


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If not misogyny, racism, or ill-informed, why?:
There are not even yet noticeable levels of contrite 2016 Trump voters.

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/11/5695...s-economic-populism-as-proven-by-the-tax-bill
The Myth Of Trump's Economic Populism, As Proved By The Tax Bill
December 11, 2017
MARA LIASSON
Once upon a time, there was a group of conservative intellectuals who were agnostic about Donald Trump.

They thought Trumpism might offer something new for the GOP. Since Trump wasn't tied to the orthodoxies of either party he could, theoretically, offer a more populist path toward the future for Republicans.
Conservative writer Henry Olsen, at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, looked to the tax plan to reflect this new vision, but it wasn't there.
[FONT=&quot]What gets [Trump supporters] riled up and active is the embrace of the culture-war issues — that Trump has shown himself perfectly happy to fight in a way that Republicans in a lot of other positions have been unwilling to traditionally.

Ben Domenech, conservative writer
[/FONT]
For now, Olsen said, "Trumpian populism remains a tantalizing promise for people who are interested in it."
Olsen expected the tax plan to include some of Trump's populist campaign promises — that the rich would pay more, the forgotten working class would pay less, and special interest loopholes like the carried-interest provision for hedge-fund managers would be gone.
But the tax bill ended up instead being traditionally Republican in its focus on cutting taxes for the well-to-do but barely touching the working class and not helping the middle class to a significant degree.
"That's not what Trump promised," Olsen said. "And it's not what Trump's voters thought they were getting."
Whatever happened to Ivanka Trump's child care tax credit?
One of the biggest disappointments for conservatives who believed that Trump could have offered a new, more reform-minded populist economics was the failure of the expanded child care tax credit offered by Republican Sens. Mike Lee and Marco Rubio.....
 
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Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

If not misogyny, racism, or ill-informed, why?:

Trump was elected by people who were sick and tired of establishment party politics.
 
Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

The poll question should read: Was the 2016 election result driven by facts or by misogyny and racism backlash?

If not Hillary in 2016, who? If not a female elected POTUS in 2016, when?

There are not even yet noticeable levels of contrite 2016 Trump voters. Can anyone cite evidence that facts persuaded voters to vote for Trump in sufficient numbers
to give him an electoral college vote majority?



vs....

If this site was all you read you would have a very skewed opinion of what was going on in the country. Most people had a sense that the sleazeball’s or swamp as they now called, were paying them lip service and ignoring the things they thought were important.

They elected Trump because he was a disruptor and a reformer and promised to put the interests of working citizens first.

Hillary was just more of the corrupt DC swamp.
 
Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Gotta love the narrative that it was a racism backlash. Not. Seriously how could it have had anything to do with race when both of the major candidates were of the same race? What were they supposed to do? Elect Obama again? Oh wait, couldn't. Oh I know! Sheriff Clark! We could have elected him! Oh wait...he didn't run. Well darn it....guess that only leaves two people that could be chosen....

Trump, a braggart but at the time of the elections didn't have any scandals beyond peoples personal opinions of whether he was racist or misogynistic and MAYBE sexually assaulted some women but for all people knew it was nothing more than a political ploy by Democrats to smear Trump and was suspicious due to the timing.

or

Hillary who has had MULTIPLE political scandals for decades

Yeah, Trump is definitely no saint by even the slimmest of margins. But at the time of the election he was the "cleanest" of the two candidates.

Quite frankly we had crap for Presidential selection thanks to our two party system. None of the other candidates that were not Dem or Rep stood a chance. Maybe if we managed to oust the two party system we'd have more selections and wouldn't have to put up with crappy ones like Hillary and Trump.

Especially considering Flynn and Gates have plead guilty and agreed to testify for the government and Manafort is facing up to 309 years in prison and wears dual ankle surveillance bracelets,
How does the spectacle of Gen. Flynn leading a "Lock her up," chant on national TV at the RNC convention contrast with the results of the eight years long White Water special consul investigation and report,
the email server investigation results, the multiple Benghazi congressional inquiries results.....and remind me, what Hillary has been accused of not actually sponsored, financed, advanced, that is not a result of the spending and influence of wealthy conservatives?

IOW, you may not like her, have a low opinion of her, but compared to Hillary, consider how quickly the people I named, FOLDED UP, all close to Trump; Gates was asst. campaign mgr., asst. transition team head, asst. inaugural committee chair...
Rick Gates, Trump Campaign Aide, Pleads Guilty in Mueller Inquiry ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/us/politics/rick-gates-guilty-plea-mueller-investigation.html...
Feb 23, 2018 - The plea agreement was part of a flurry of recent activity by the special counsel's team. ... Besides the agreement with Mr. Gates, the special counsel's team has already secured guilty pleas from two of Mr. Trump's advisers. .... He worked for the presidential inaugural committee, not the transition team.

Is Hillary some sort of a sorcerer, or could your conclusions and suspicions of her crimes be in conflict with the actual evidence against her, Podesta and his brother, the Clinton Foundation, etc.

You are dismissive of pre-election, Trump scandals.... his charity was found to be a sham he had not contributed to in years and it was used to fix his challenges (Pam Bondi) and whet his vanity.:
Donald Trump, Pam Bondi and $25K: Was it pay to play? | PolitiFact Florida

He was responsible for Billy Bush getting fired, the full scope of his exploitation of undocumented illegal Polish immigrant workers was revealed, he attacked a U.S. born federal judge on imagined ethnic conflicts
and then settled the related case in question, the Trump University fraud, for $25 million during the transition. His charity had made a political contribution to Pam Bondi and she quickly dropped the interest
of her office in the Trump University complaints in FL. He exhibited a troubling partiality towards Putin, he evaded the draft and degraded the John McCain military service and trivialized the experience, pain, and
admirable conduct while a POW.
Trump promised to release his tax returns.
Just some highlights of a long list. It is troubling you are dismissive of proven deeds and statements while emphasizing the numerous scandals in the background of candidate Clinton.
 
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Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Neither poll choice is ultimately correct, and no other options are given; therefore, the poll itself is heavily flawed.
 
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Especially considering Flynn and Gates have plead guilty and agreed to testify for the government and Manafort is facing up to 309 years in prison and wears dual ankle surveillance bracelets,
How does the spectacle of Gen. Flynn leading a "Lock her up," chant on national TV at the RNC convention contrast with the results of the eight years long White Water special consul investigation and report,
the email server investigation results, the multiple Benghazi congressional inquiries results.....and remind me, what Hillary has been accused of not actually sponsored, financed, advanced, that is not a result of the spending and influence of wealthy conservatives?

IOW, you may not like her, have a low opinion of her, but compared to Hillary, consider how quickly the people I named, FOLDED UP, all close to Trump; Gates was asst. campaign mgr., asst. transition team head, asst. inaugural committee chair...


Is Hillary some sort of a sorcerer, or could your conclusions and suspicions of her crimes be in conflict with the actual evidence against her, Podesta and his brother, the Clinton Foundation, etc.

You are dismissive of pre-election, Trump scandals.... his charity was found to be a sham he had not contributed to in years and it was used to fix his challenges (Pam Bondi) and whet his vanity.:
Donald Trump, Pam Bondi and $25K: Was it pay to play? | PolitiFact Florida

He was responsible for Billy Bush getting fired, the full scope of his exploitation of undocumented illegal Polish immigrant workers was revealed, he attacked a U.S. born federal judge on imagined ethnic conflicts
and then settled the related case in question, the Trump University fraud, for $25 million during the transition. His charity had made a political contribution to Pam Bondi and she quickly dropped the interest
of her office in the Trump University complaints in FL. He exhibited a troubling partiality towards Putin, he evaded the draft and degraded the John McCain military service and trivialized the experience, pain, and
admirable conduct while a POW.
Trump promised to release his tax returns.
Just some highlights of a long list. It is troubling you are dismissive of proven deeds and statements while emphasizing the numerous scandals in the background of candidate Clinton.

Perhaps you missed a few words of my post considering you're talking about things that have been done/found out AFTER the election. Remember, this thread is about Trump getting elected and Hillary losing the election. IE: What caused those things to happen. As such my post was only about things that were being considered before the election. Not afterwards.
 
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Trump was elected by people who were sick and tired of establishment party politics.

Especially when both parties have proven beyond any doubt they work for the rich and powerful and not the people. This time the people decided they were tired of the puppets of the rich and powerful and the illusion of choice.
 
Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Poll is biased as ****, so I refuse to vote. This right here is the problem, and on of the reasons why Hillary lost. Painting the opposition as racist and misogynists. Wrong. The reason why Trump won is not because he was the more honest candidate, or anything like that. It is because he ran a more solid campaign than Hillary Clinton did, and Donald Trump resonated with voters more so than Hillary did. Not to mention that a lot of the states that Trump won, Hillary did not take the time to visit.

Painting the opposition as all evil racists and misogynists is stupid, and fails to look at the core of the issue.

An expert's observations:
https://www.vox.com/identities/2016...-president-sexual-assault-sexism-misogyny-won
Why misogyny won
America’s president-elect is an alleged sexual predator. This theory of sexism explains how it came to this — and why even many women voted for Trump.
By Emily Crockett@emilycrockettemily@vox.com Nov 15, 2016,

...Meanwhile, a hostile sexist would claim the benevolent sexist is overreacting — that the tape doesn’t actually describe sexual assault, just normal male sexual aggression.

These attitudes might seem diametrically opposed to one another. But they’re actually two sides of the same coin, Peter Glick, professor of psychology and social sciences at Lawrence University, told Vox. People can hold both of these sexist views at the same time, and they very often do.

“It’s how men can wear ‘Trump That Bitch’ T-shirts at a Trump rally, and then go home and say, ‘I love my wife and daughter,’” Glick said.

Trump expresses both hostile and benevolent attitudes toward women all the time. When he likes a woman, he praises her in a patronizing way (usually focusing on her physical beauty). When he doesn’t, he viciously insults her.

Benevolent sexism is the carrot, Glick explained, and hostile sexism is the stick.....

https://faculty.lawrence.edu/glickp/

...Dr. Glick co-developed the warmth-competence model (with Susan T. Fiske, Princeton, and Amy Cuddy, Harvard), which Harvard Business Review recognized as a “breakthrough idea.” His foundational work on benevolent sexism (with Susan Fiske) received the Allport Prize for best paper on intergroup relations. Tested worldwide, both models represent revolutionary advances in understanding stereotypes and are among the most highly cited theories in social psychology. ...

Male dominance actually requires a pretty delicate balance, Glick said. If men want to maintain the control over women they’ve enjoyed for thousands of years, and continue their species, and satisfy their desires for heterosexual love and companionship, they can’t just use brute force. They need women to actually like them and not resent their dominance.

And so a compromise emerged — or at least a “protection racket,” as Glick calls it, like when the Mafioso tells the businessman he’d hate to see his nice shop burn down, so why don’t they make a deal.

The basic agreement is that as long as women cater to men’s needs, men will protect and cherish women in return. If women have few good options for independent success, this is a pretty good deal — which explains why in more overtly sexist societies where women have fewer opportunities, cross-national studies show that women endorse benevolent sexism at even higher rates than men do.

This may also help explain why Trump maintained high levels of support among white women voters who don’t have a college degree — a group Trump won 62 percent to 34, and a group whose career opportunities are probably more limited. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton totally reversed 2012’s partisan gender gap among college-educated white women. (A demographic Clinton won by 51 to 45 percent, and Romney won 52 to 46 against Obama.)

But the most powerful gendered element of Trump’s campaign may actually lie in his fear-mongering.

“Trump's strategy was to ramp up anxiety about a dark, dangerous world,” Glick said. “When women are under threat, their benevolent sexism scores go up.”

Specifically, he said, showing women survey data about men’s hostile sexism makes women more likely to endorse benevolent sexism out of psychological self-defense. It may be ironic to turn to men for protection from male hostility, but it’s how the cycle works.

This also helps explain why so many women hold sexist biases against women, Glick said. If women themselves enforce gender norms and punish deviants, it reinforces the social order that guarantees them protection. And it separates them from the “bad” women who are deemed unworthy of that protection.....
 
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Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

The poll question should read: Was the 2016 election result driven by facts or by misogyny and racism backlash?

If not Hillary in 2016, who? If not a female elected POTUS in 2016, when?

There are not even yet noticeable levels of contrite 2016 Trump voters. Can anyone cite evidence that facts persuaded voters to vote for Trump in sufficient numbers
to give him an electoral college vote majority?



vs....

Trump's win was a combination of things that came together.

Hillary was a ****ty candidate.
Trump made racism ok again.
Idiot Americans react positively to vulgarities.
Countless people staying home because they bought into the "Trump can't win" narrative.
Obama's failure to unite our country.
Russian interferences.
Ignorant people getting their information from terrible sources.
 
Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Neither answer is the reason.

It can't be facts, because only a minority trusted either candidate, and the facts were on the side of neither.

Racism and misogyny played a role, but it was a minor one.


Trump had the support of organized evangelicals, and the benefit of an opponent who was incapable of appearing genuinely invested in the needs of people.
Trump was able to fake it, she wasn't.
 
Re: :2016 election more about the +/- of the Dem & Rep candidates or misogyny and racism backlash?

Facts, the more qualified and trusted candidate won
Misogyny, and racism backlash were primary drivers

None of the above.
 
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