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Should the US take in Syrian refugees

Should Syrian refugees be allowed into the US?

  • yes

    Votes: 9 50.0%

  • yes but only women and children

    Votes: 1 5.6%

  • no

    Votes: 7 38.9%

  • not sure

    Votes: 1 5.6%
  • Total voters
    18
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By now, it's no secret that many Syrians have left their country to escape the violence (approximately 5 million). Although the vast majority of these refugees have sought refuge in other Middle Eastern countries (mostly Turkey and Lebanon), others have gone to Europe and a few to the US. Currently, many are in camps with questionable conditions.

Currently, there are close to 20,000 refugees in the US (most of whom were let in on 2016). To get into the US, Syrians must first apply to an organization within the UN which decides whether they qualify for refugee status. If they get sent to the US, they must go through a security vetting process. These agencies collect biometric information to confirm their identity. Then, the applicants are interviewed by a DHS officer. Following this is more vetting.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/syrian-refugees-u-s-applicants-explainer/index.html

Some people believe that governments should keep these people out on the basis that some of them might be terrorists looking to carry out terrorist attacks. However, since the Syrian war started, there have been only ben ten terrorist attacks (two of which were by non muslims) in Europe where 10 or more people died. The death toll from these attacks is 383 which is less than the amount of murders in Germany in 2015 alone (683) and the murder rate there is quite low (just 0.83 per 100,000). Furthermore, not all of these attacks were carried out by people from Syria or Iraq (for example, the attack on Nice, France in 2016 was by a Tunisian).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Another concern is the amount of rapes. There are news stories of lots of rapes happening in Europe, particularly Sweden. Although Sweden is often cited as the rape capital of the world with a rate of 63 per 100,000 in 2010 (compared with America's 27.3 that same year), it is worth noting that the country has a broader definition of rape than most countries. In Sweden, soliciting prostitution, sexual harassment, and even indecent exposure are included in the numbers. Furthermore, there hasn't been much of an increase in sexual offenses since the country began admitting refugees.

Reality Check: Is Malmo the 'rape capital' of Europe? - BBC News
 
Masterhawk said:
By now, it's no secret that many Syrians have left their country to escape the violence (approximately 5 million). Although the vast majority of these refugees have sought refuge in other Middle Eastern countries (mostly Turkey and Lebanon), others have gone to Europe and a few to the US. Currently, many are in camps with questionable conditions.

Currently, there are close to 20,000 refugees in the US (most of whom were let in on 2016). To get into the US, Syrians must first apply to an organization within the UN which decides whether they qualify for refugee status. If they get sent to the US, they must go through a security vetting process. These agencies collect biometric information to confirm their identity. Then, the applicants are interviewed by a DHS officer. Following this is more vetting.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/syrian-refugees-u-s-applicants-explainer/index.html

Some people believe that governments should keep these people out on the basis that some of them might be terrorists looking to carry out terrorist attacks. However, since the Syrian war started, there have been only ben ten terrorist attacks (two of which were by non muslims) in Europe where 10 or more people died. The death toll from these attacks is 383 which is less than the amount of murders in Germany in 2015 alone (683) and the murder rate there is quite low (just 0.83 per 100,000). Furthermore, not all of these attacks were carried out by people from Syria or Iraq (for example, the attack on Nice, France in 2016 was by a Tunisian).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Another concern is the amount of rapes. There are news stories of lots of rapes happening in Europe, particularly Sweden. Although Sweden is often cited as the rape capital of the world with a rate of 63 per 100,000 in 2010 (compared with America's 27.3 that same year), it is worth noting that the country has a broader definition of rape than most countries. In Sweden, soliciting prostitution, sexual harassment, and even indecent exposure are included in the numbers. Furthermore, there hasn't been much of an increase in sexual offenses since the country began admitting refugees.

Reality Check: Is Malmo the 'rape capital' of Europe? - BBC News
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Syrians do not want to come to the U.S or Canada. They assimilate much better in European countries.
 
Why do terrorist attacks resulting in 9 people or less being killed not count?
 
So many of those kids are going to grow up to be hardened terrorists...I suggest that we take a pass.
 
Masterhawk said:
By now, it's no secret that many Syrians have left their country to escape the violence (approximately 5 million).
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Yup, the violence we perpetuated by supporting terrorist rebel groups. The more we meddle the more we make things worse and then complain about refugees. American foreign policy is one of the leading causes of strife in that area, and we do it for profit. There wouldnt be a refugee problem if it werent for us.
 
PoS said:
Yup, the violence we perpetuated by supporting terrorist rebel groups. The more we meddle the more we make things worse and then complain about refugees. American foreign policy is one of the leading causes of strife in that area, and we do it for profit. There wouldnt be a refugee problem if it werent for us.
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Oh really? Assad wouldn’t be bombing the **** out of his own people? What a load of crap.
 
I voted "yes" but that's with a caveat.

First, we need to step up (a little) because Obama was a big catalyst in the Syrian Civil War so we have to face up to our responsibilities there.

However, and this is the big HOWEVER, all refugees that come here must be thoroughly vetted and then, when the problems in Syria are over, they must be returned to Syria.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I voted "yes" but that's with a caveat.

First, we need to step up (a little) because Obama was a big catalyst in the Syrian Civil War so we have to face up to our responsibilities there.

However, and this is the big HOWEVER, all refugees that come here must be thoroughly vetted and then, when the problems in Syria are over, they must be returned to Syria.
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Well no kidding, you can bet the farm that that will not happen, regardless of what is said.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Well no kidding, you can bet the farm that that will not happen, regardless of what is said.
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It just doesn't seem to me as if we should look at refugees as permanent citizens. They only need a temporary place to live. Then, they need to go home.

Otherwise, it's too tempting to claim to be a refugee just to get into our nation. For some reason, it seems as though people have begun thinking of refugees as valid immigrants. I still think we need to help out because our last leader created a lot of that hot mess over there, but, hey, we could transfer a bunch to GITMO. Everyone wants to get rid of that place, but, instead, turn the cells into bedrooms, put bunk beds in there. It's a massive, state of the art facility, and it could serve as housing for the time being.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh really? Assad wouldn’t be bombing the **** out of his own people? What a load of crap.
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What he does with his own people is none of our business. We are not the cop of the world.
 
Masterhawk said:
By now, it's no secret that many Syrians have left their country to escape the violence (approximately 5 million). Although the vast majority of these refugees have sought refuge in other Middle Eastern countries (mostly Turkey and Lebanon), others have gone to Europe and a few to the US. Currently, many are in camps with questionable conditions.

Currently, there are close to 20,000 refugees in the US (most of whom were let in on 2016). To get into the US, Syrians must first apply to an organization within the UN which decides whether they qualify for refugee status. If they get sent to the US, they must go through a security vetting process. These agencies collect biometric information to confirm their identity. Then, the applicants are interviewed by a DHS officer. Following this is more vetting.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/syrian-refugees-u-s-applicants-explainer/index.html

Some people believe that governments should keep these people out on the basis that some of them might be terrorists looking to carry out terrorist attacks. However, since the Syrian war started, there have been only ben ten terrorist attacks (two of which were by non muslims) in Europe where 10 or more people died. The death toll from these attacks is 383 which is less than the amount of murders in Germany in 2015 alone (683) and the murder rate there is quite low (just 0.83 per 100,000). Furthermore, not all of these attacks were carried out by people from Syria or Iraq (for example, the attack on Nice, France in 2016 was by a Tunisian).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Another concern is the amount of rapes. There are news stories of lots of rapes happening in Europe, particularly Sweden. Although Sweden is often cited as the rape capital of the world with a rate of 63 per 100,000 in 2010 (compared with America's 27.3 that same year), it is worth noting that the country has a broader definition of rape than most countries. In Sweden, soliciting prostitution, sexual harassment, and even indecent exposure are included in the numbers. Furthermore, there hasn't been much of an increase in sexual offenses since the country began admitting refugees.

Reality Check: Is Malmo the 'rape capital' of Europe? - BBC News
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Yes, to women and children. No, to adult men. We suported rebels/terrorists in Syria and that is the likely group we would draw refugees from. They have an I.O.U. from the CIANED/USAID/etc, etc. They're exactly the ones we don't need in this country. That is why I choose women and children.
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PoS said:
Yup, the violence we perpetuated by supporting terrorist rebel groups. The more we meddle the more we make things worse and then complain about refugees. American foreign policy is one of the leading causes of strife in that area, and we do it for profit. There wouldnt be a refugee problem if it werent for us.
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It is kinda true that our actions led to the formation of Al Queda. However, the violence in Syria was caused by the Arab Spring, a series of revolts against Arab dictatorships.
 
PoS said:
What he does with his own people is none of our business. We are not the cop of the world.
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Using chemical weapons on civilians is definitely "our business".

Committing mass murder is also "our business".

Especially when Assad's mass murdering ways enable terrorist groups like ISIS to take power.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Using chemical weapons on civilians is definitely "our business".

Committing mass murder is also "our business".

Especially when Assad's mass murdering ways enable terrorist groups like ISIS to take power.
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Name an international treaty that says its our business anytime a dictator commits mass murder.

And we enabled ISIS in that region when we started supporting the rebels, so youre wrong on both counts. As usual.
 
PoS said:
Name an international treaty that says its our business anytime a dictator commits mass murder.
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The Golden Rule, title 1 subsection A.
 
PoS said:
Name an international treaty that says its our business anytime a dictator commits mass murder.

And we enabled ISIS in that region when we started supporting the rebels, so youre wrong on both counts. As usual.
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Among others.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1674

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genev...e_2_relating_to_international_armed_conflicts

UN Security Council Resolutions and Presidential Statements Referencing R2P: Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect

And no, the United States never supported ISIS. Without Assad deciding that the proper response to demonstrations was to kill everyone involved, there would be no civil war in the first place.

But I forgot--- isolationists love putting up a principled defense of the worst dictators, terrorist groups, and overall scumbags around.
 
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