LEFT LEANING MEMBERS - Do you want to see guns banned in the United States?

I am creating this in response to a constant barrage of right wing rhetoric that I see on social media, and here, and of course by the dip**** in office via twitter lately.

I am asking that only the left wingers reply since the accusation is that they want to see guns banned. Right wingers please refrain from voting as it will skew the data, but please join in a discussion.

Simple yes or no. I realize many want to see gun control and I am not asking about gun control. I am asking if you want to see the 2nd amendment repealed and guns banned in the United States.

Nope...as I've been saying all over this forum.

If there was no second amendment, sure. If there weren't already more guns than people, yeah. countries without guns are so much safer, cops are not killing people because they fear they are armed.

With exceptions of course. Guns for hunting, for example

Problem is the 2nd amendment restricts a lot of possible gun control

Kreton said:

I am creating this in response to a constant barrage of right wing rhetoric that I see on social media, and here, and of course by the dip**** in office via twitter lately.

I am asking that only the left wingers reply since the accusation is that they want to see guns banned. Right wingers please refrain from voting as it will skew the data, but please join in a discussion.

Simple yes or no. I realize many want to see gun control and I am not asking about gun control. I am asking if you want to see the 2nd amendment repealed and guns banned in the United States.

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No. This will in no way change the rhetoric of the right wing. They're too wrapped up in their own "facts".

Kreton said:

I am creating this in response to a constant barrage of right wing rhetoric that I see on social media, and here, and of course by the dip**** in office via twitter lately.

I am asking that only the left wingers reply since the accusation is that they want to see guns banned. Right wingers please refrain from voting as it will skew the data, but please join in a discussion.

Simple yes or no. I realize many want to see gun control and I am not asking about gun control. I am asking if you want to see the 2nd amendment repealed and guns banned in the United States.

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That's how the right whingers keep the team fired up- they demonize and exaggerate and create a suitably formidable enemy that justifies extreme rhetoric and mighty effort. If they had to admit that no, the left doesn't want to take their guns away, it'd just let all the air out of their tires.

Uh, no. I don't want to see that.

I'm in favor of guns being a privilege instead of a right. Other modern Western democracies follow this model and in the majority of cases their citizens are allowed to have guns. Banning guns altogether is an extreme measure that isn't really even necessary to discuss before we've eliminated the 2nd Amendment and implemented common sense gun control measures, such as universal background checks, gun safety courses, gun registration and required mental health evaluations.

I would say, there is a significant minority on the left that has these views.... and more who teeters the line.... and more who just don't care one way or the other.

People nowadays tend to think the worst of their political opposition and assume that the most extreme elements of a group speak for the whole group.

Skeptic Bob said:

People nowadays tend to think the worst of their political opposition and assume that the most extreme elements of a group speak for the whole group.

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It's almost irrelevant how many people speak for the whole. Whether it's 150 million people advocating gun banning/confiscation or 1, they may as well be the same number. This is because it's an inherent aspect of gun culture to believe that people are coming to take their guns away. That belief is baked into gun rights culture in its entirety. Universal background checks and gun confiscation are the same thing to them.

Though I don't think it would be a terrible thing if there was a (near) universal ban on civilian ownership of guns per the example of other developed countries that do which have exceedingly low gun violence, I'm more in favour of gun ownership being a regulated privilege than a right.

Also gun control doesn't even make my top 5 considerations: tackling the corrupting influence of money in politics, toxic and potentially destabilizing economic inequality, universal access to higher education and healthcare, infrastructure/research spending, and regulatory reform to tackle and preempt systemic financial risk round that out pretty solidly.

Grand Mal said:

That's how the right whingers keep the team fired up- they demonize and exaggerate and create a suitably formidable enemy that justifies extreme rhetoric and mighty effort. If they had to admit that no, the left doesn't want to take their guns away, it'd just let all the air out of their tires.

Uh, no. I don't want to see that.

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Of course, because they don't have facts, logic or reasoning on their side. THe worst is its the same stupid, unoriginal comments over and over again

I found this posting pretty interesting (see below).

Cardinal said:

It's almost irrelevant how many people speak for the whole. Whether it's 150 million people advocating gun banning/confiscation or 1, they may as well be the same number. This is because it's an inherent aspect of gun culture to believe that people are coming to take their guns away. That belief is baked into gun rights culture in its entirety. Universal background checks and gun confiscation are the same thing to them.

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It's good that we are wary of our government.... governments are the most dangerous intuitions humans have come up with. We must constantly keep them in check and make that line extremely clear.

The taking away of guns is the end of a fundamental human right, it's a big deal if it's being flirted around with.

Kreton said:

I am creating this in response to a constant barrage of right wing rhetoric that I see on social media, and here, and of course by the dip**** in office via twitter lately.

I am asking that only the left wingers reply since the accusation is that they want to see guns banned. Right wingers please refrain from voting as it will skew the data, but please join in a discussion.

Simple yes or no. I realize many want to see gun control and I am not asking about gun control. I am asking if you want to see the 2nd amendment repealed and guns banned in the United States.

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As usual, you lefties have trouble processing information without making it into a strictly partisan issue so your poll is prejudiced, allowing only a very strict yes or no, do you want ALL guns banned. However, what do you expect the right to think when protesters attack the NRA and anyone who takes money from the NRA? The NRA represents millions of gun owners with varying degrees of thoughts on the subject of gun control and varying degrees of towing the NRA party line. But, you attack the NRA 100% and anyone who takes money from the NRA, as if all gun owners are the same and then you try to claim that you don't want to take everyone's guns away. Why attack the NRA and anyone who takes money from the NRA in totality which also includes many of those who are actually for sensible gun control issues? Why not say that you agree with parts of the NRA and people who take money from the NRA who are for sensible gun control instead of blanketly blasting ALL of the NRA and EVERYONE who accepts money from the NRA?

Kreton said:

Simple yes or no. I realize many want to see gun control and I am not asking about gun control. I am asking if you want to see the 2nd amendment repealed and guns banned in the United States.

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There's a difference betwene asking the question "Do you want to see ALL guns banned" as you presented in your answers....and the question of "Do you want to see guns banned" as you presented in your title and your question. As such, it's impossible to honestly answer the poll, as the poll is inherently dishonest, even if I was left leaning. Additionally, it completely invalidates any value or attempted argument you attempt to make using said polls information.

If one is in favor of banning assault weapons, for instance, then one absolutely does want to see guns banned in the United States, the guns in question are simply limited to the ones they view as "assault weapons".

Take this to any other thing. Could someone who's in favor of banning religious freedom for muslims be able to say "I don't want to see religious freedom banned in the United States" because they don't want it banned for ALL religions, just specific ones? If someone wants to ban negative speech in the media of the President, can they say "I don't want to ban free speech" because they don't want ALL speech banned, just a specific kind?

If you're asking what left leaning members want to see ALL guns banned in the country, then you should ask that question...and then it'd be somewhat reasonable to use the results in your debates or arguments with people who say that the left leaning posters on this board want to ban all guns. However, you can't extrapolate that out to being a legitimate argument for those suggesting that left leaning people on this forum want to be ban guns, because wanting to ban some is not the same as not wanting to ban all.

People claiming a significant portion of the left want to ban all guns are being ridiculous and speaking baselessly. There is no significant level of support within the left leaning community at large for a wholesale ban of guns. This is due to a variety of reasons, from those who don't believe it'd be feasible to those that simply don't agree with such a move.

People claiming a significant level of support for banning guns, in a general sense, on the left are not being off base. There is a sizable portion of the left leaning population in this country that supports banning certain types of firearms beyond what's currently legal, be it banning the sale of them, the purchase of them, or the actual ownership of them.

The two claims are different, and just as those acting like the left wants to ban all guns are being foolish, those who conflate the second statement with the first are also acting rather foolish.

Kreton said:

I am creating this in response to a constant barrage of right wing rhetoric that I see on social media, and here, and of course by the dip**** in office via twitter lately.

I am asking that only the left wingers reply since the accusation is that they want to see guns banned. Right wingers please refrain from voting as it will skew the data, but please join in a discussion.

Simple yes or no. I realize many want to see gun control and I am not asking about gun control. I am asking if you want to see the 2nd amendment repealed and guns banned in the United States.

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I have been around weapons/guns all my life, why should I in my twilight years give them up.Besides, have a pretty good range, with butts set up on the farm.:thumbs:

Well, look at that. So far exactly zero have voted 'ban all guns.' Seems like the 'they wanna take my guns' crowd is a bunch of tinfoil-hatters, after all.

Geoist said:

Well, look at that. So far exactly zero have voted 'ban all guns.' Seems like the 'they wanna take my guns' crowd is a bunch of tinfoil-hatters, after all.

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Well, look at that. We have a dishonest poll question designed to have everyone vote no so that you can use it for your political advantage. This is why nothing is ever achieved on gun control issues. The left are dishonest and can't have an honest conversation on the subject. Then you wonder why nothing ever gets done.

I own numerous firearms. I support some sensible reforms, but not a universal ban on firearm ownership.

celticwar17 said:

It's good that we are wary of our government.... governments are the most dangerous intuitions humans have come up with. We must constantly keep them in check and make that line extremely clear.

The taking away of guns is the end of a fundamental human right, it's a big deal if it's being flirted around with.

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The discussion isn't about government tyranny or "fundamental human rights," but whether left leaning members want guns to be banned.

Cardinal said:

The discussion isn't about government tyranny or "fundamental human rights," but whether left leaning members want guns to be banned.

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You said yourself that you would advocate for guns to be a privileged and not a right.... THAT is repealing the 1st amendment.... and once it does not become a right, that means the government can do whatever it pleases with our gun rights.

Once you give the government the right to have total control, the potential IS a gun ban.... and it seems to be a very likely one, since other countries have managed to do this.

Cardinal said:

The discussion isn't about government tyranny or "fundamental human rights," but whether left leaning members want guns to be banned.

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The left wants the NRA banned and anyone who accepts money from the NRA banned. In other words, they are against guns. So, any lefty who votes no is just plain lying.

celticwar17 said:

You said yourself that you would advocate for guns to be a privileged and not a right.... THAT is repealing the 1st amendment.... and once it does not become a right, that means the government can do whatever it pleases with our gun rights.

Once you give the government the right to have total control, the potential IS a gun ban.... and it seems to be a very likely one, since other countries have managed to do this.

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How is that repealing the 1st Amendment?

Moderate Right said:

The left wants the NRA banned and anyone who accepts money from the NRA banned. In other words, they are against guns. So, any lefty who votes no is just plain lying.

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This thread is not about the NRA, but whether left leaning members want guns to be banned. So far, the answer to that appears to be "no."