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Tomorrow, Self Driving Cars are a reality, would you support banning manual cars?

If self driving cars reach potential, would you ban steering wheels?

  • Yes, automated cars will be far safer

    Votes: 2 6.1%

  • No, there are times when a Human is needed

    Votes: 16 48.5%

  • Optional - you can have a fully auto car or not

    Votes: 11 33.3%

  • OTHER

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • Total voters
    33
soylentgreen said:
Some one did not get the memo.

If and when driverless cars become the norm. There will be very little in the way of private ownership of cars. And that would probably be for sport or weekend recreation.

Think about it, why would anyone want to own a car with all its expensive maintenance cost. A simple phone call could have a car at your doorsteps within minutes. You would not have to worry about paying for parking at either end of the travel. Nor find space for a thing that you really do not use all that often.

The whole concept behind driverless cars is that of a future where people simply rent a convenience for a direct purpose rather than have to own a debt.
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That exists right now.

How much of the population actually uses that?
 
Mason66 said:
That exists right now.

How much of the population actually uses that?
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It partially exists now. The difference is that cars requires drivers so operations like uber still do not make that much difference. Remove the driver and it becomes much more efficient, cheaper and likely to be more used.
 
Just a comment for the luddites out there who think that people will never accept driverless cars.

a quote from the US Congressional Record in 1875:

The dangers are obvious. Stores of gasoline in the hands of people interested primarily in profit would constitute a fire and explosive hazard of the first rank. Horseless carriages propelled by gasoline might attain speeds of 14 or even 20 miles per hour. The menace to our people of vehicles of this type hurtling through our streets and along our roads and poisoning the atmosphere would call for prompt legislative action even if the military and economic implications were not so overwhelming… [T]he cost of producing [gasoline] is far beyond the financial capacity of private industry… In addition the development of this new power may displace the use of horses, which would wreck our agriculture.
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The horse is here to stay, but the automobile is only a novelty — a fad. — Advice from a president of the Michigan Savings Bank to Henry Ford’s lawyer Horace Rackham
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Here is a quote from Harry Bruno, an aviation publicist, in 1943;

Automobiles will start to decline almost as soon as the last shot is fired in World War II. The name of Igor Sikorsky will be as well known as Henry Ford’s, for his helicopter will all but replace the horseless carriage as the new means of popular transportation. Instead of a car in every garage, there will be a helicopter…. These ‘copters’ will be so safe and will cost so little to produce that small models will be made for teenage youngsters. These tiny ‘copters, when school lets out, will fill the sky as the bicycles of our youth filled the prewar roads.
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soylentgreen said:
It partially exists now. The difference is that cars requires drivers so operations like uber still do not make that much difference. Remove the driver and it becomes much more efficient, cheaper and likely to be more used.
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From the users perspective, it is exactly the same right now.

The user calls and the car shows up. The car takes the user to where they want to go and the user gets out.

What will change when there is no driver?
 
soylentgreen said:
Just a comment for the luddites out there who think that people will never accept driverless cars.



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That is not relevant in any way.

You want to take the pleasure of driving ones own car away. That will not happen.
 
Mason66 said:
That is not relevant in any way.

You want to take the pleasure of driving ones own car away. That will not happen.
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I have never said that i want to take people pleasure of driving a car away. No more than henry ford wanted to take peoples pleasure of riding a horse away.

Horse riding has not gone away. But it is no longer the main source of transport.

Of course what i posted is relevant because those people are using the same mind set that you are using. They were wrong, and you will also be wrong.
 
soylentgreen said:
I have never said that i want to take people pleasure of driving a car away. No more than henry ford wanted to take peoples pleasure of riding a horse away.

Horse riding has not gone away. But it is no longer the main source of transport.

Of course what i posted is relevant because those people are using the same mind set that you are using. They were wrong, and you will also be wrong.
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One is not analogous with the other.

Driving is still driving.

The driver less car is not the next step, it is an addition to what is here and will stay here.
 
Mason66 said:
One is not analogous with the other.

Driving is still driving.

The driver less car is not the next step, it is an addition to what is here and will stay here.
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Exactly the same arguments put forth about cars competing with horses. And where did that end.

You personally, of course, can remain driving your own car. But do not make claims for what advantages the next generation may want.
 
soylentgreen said:
Exactly the same arguments put forth about cars competing with horses. And where did that end.

You personally, of course, can remain driving your own car. But do not make claims for what advantages the next generation may want.
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The question of this thread is, should regular cars be banned and only allow self driving cars on the street.

That.... Will.... Never.... Happen!!!!
 
Renae said:
In the interest of Safety, if tomorrow Self Driving cars were a "reality" and worked as intended. Would you support banning the steering wheel from cars? That means all existing cars have to be replaced/retrofitted. Say 2 years and then you cannot drive your own car. Would you support this in the interest of safety on the roads?
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Why would you remove manual control? How are you going to bring it into a service station? What happens if a sensor fails? How could you park on a field at a concert? What about two autonomous cars trying to back out of adjacent parking spaces and each getting half way?
 
Mason66 said:
The question of this thread is, should regular cars be banned and only allow self driving cars on the street.

That.... Will.... Never.... Happen!!!!
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It will, not everywhere, but just like we have HOV lanes eventually we'll get autonomous only lanes.
 
When an autonomous car is caught speeding, who gets the ticket?

Nothing made by man is perfect. It would make sense for autonomous cars to have a manual override system, giving users the option. However, to make autonomous cars mandatory is an affront to human self determination. Autonomous cars can be a convenience, no convenience should be mandatory.

I've often enjoyed standing on 57th St in Manhattan during rush hour watching the parade of Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Mercedes ASG's, Bentley Twin Turbos and other exotic super fast cars speed through traffic at 4 mph.
 
Mithros said:
It will, not everywhere, but just like we have HOV lanes eventually we'll get autonomous only lanes.
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The topic of this thread is all or nothing.
 
Mason66 said:
The topic of this thread is all or nothing.
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Uhhh, the topic is "Tomorrow, Self Driving Cars are a reality, would you support banning manual cars?"

And all or nothing isn't part of any future reality.
 
Renae said:
In the interest of Safety, if tomorrow Self Driving cars were a "reality" and worked as intended. Would you support banning the steering wheel from cars? That means all existing cars have to be replaced/retrofitted. Say 2 years and then you cannot drive your own car. Would you support this in the interest of safety on the roads?
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I'll come out and say it: I do not want fully automatic vehicles that have no manual override. Planes can fly themselves but the pilot can take over at any time. So it should be with cars.
 
Renae said:
In the interest of Safety, if tomorrow Self Driving cars were a "reality" and worked as intended. Would you support banning the steering wheel from cars? That means all existing cars have to be replaced/retrofitted. Say 2 years and then you cannot drive your own car. Would you support this in the interest of safety on the roads?
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Suddenly ahead of me
Across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air car
Shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires
To run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase

Drive like the wind
Straining the limits of machine and man
Laughing out loud with fear and hope
I've got a desperate plan
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded at the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle at the fireside
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They can have my truck when they pry it out of my cold dead hands.
 
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