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Should Trump just pardon everyone himself included?

Should Trump Pardon all criminals within his administration?

  • Yes, Trump should bury this, he's a great president.

    Votes: 4 14.8%

  • He'll try and it will fail miserably.

    Votes: 9 33.3%

  • He won't do it.

    Votes: 5 18.5%

  • It would destroy all faith in checks and balances.

    Votes: 14 51.9%
  • Total voters
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Moot said:
He didn't win the popular vote.
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Don't have to. He campaigned wisely picking up the electoral college votes; the only ones that matter.
 
Waddy said:
Don't have to. He campaigned wisely picking up the electoral college votes; the only ones that matter.
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I think Mueller is investigating what influence Cambridge Analytica had on the electoral collage...especially since CA openly admitted they were responsible for Trump winning the electoral vote.

So it just might be that Trump didn't really win after all.
 
markjs said:
Conservatives urge Trump to grant pardons in Russia probe



I have a feeling, should the fire get hot, he will attempt it. I think it would be a huge mistake, and if he should get away with it, kiss all oversight in government goodbye. I have a feeling that 30% of his kook aid swilling base wouldn't mind a bit. Good thing there's that nearly 60% think he's unfit to lead.:roll:
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He could do that, but he would not be in the clear. Mueller has been working with Eric Schneiderman, the AG of the State of New York. The have undoubtedly mapped pending federal charges to the state charge equivalents. Trump can not pardon people of New York crimes.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...investigation-will-live-on-even-if-he-s-fired

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/08/trump-robert-mueller-eric-schneiderman

So, Trump might have a moment of satisfaction that he called off the dogs, he would have a new set of dogs hunting him down the next day....and they would be even more determined....
 
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Moot said:
I think Mueller is investigating what influence Cambridge Analytica had on the electoral collage...especially since CA openly admitted they were responsible for Trump winning the electoral vote.

So it just might be that Trump didn't really win after all.
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Nonsense. Hiring a company that helps you win is just another smart move. Maybe Hillary should have hired them. Trump won. Get over it.
 
Moderate Right said:
As horrible as it may sound, no matter what Trump does, it is preferable to liberals being in charge. Thank God Hillary didn't win.
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Does such blind devotion require special training or is the kook aid that strong?
 
markjs said:
Does such blind devotion require special training or is the kook aid that strong?
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It doesn't have anything at all to do with blind devotion. It has to do with whether you want to live under liberal values or conservative values, which comes back to what I said. No matter how bad Trump is or no matter what Trump does, living under conservative values is better than if we had had Hillary as president. I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries. I didn't vote for Trump in the general. More than likely I won't vote for him in 2020. I actually favor an independent ticket of Kasich/Hickenlooper. I voted for Obama in 2012 (a mistake) and have voted for moderate Democrats many times over the years. But, if Democrats pick another candidate that will be bringing liberal values on if they win, then I will not be voting for them, even if I am forced to vote for Trump to stop it. I'm perfectly fine with the rabid left getting rid of Trump and bringing on president Pence or president Ryan. Bring it on. I'll sign on the dotted line. Will you?
 
Waddy said:
Nonsense. Hiring a company that helps you win is just another smart move. Maybe Hillary should have hired them. Trump won. Get over it.
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It's true, the special council is investigating Cambridge Analytica's illegal influence on the election. Get used to it.
 
Mycroft said:
I'm thinking you have a twisted idea of what the word "evidence" means.
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That's nothing compared to the twisted image you have of Trump. He is a lying, immoral, traitorous, criminally insane POS and you think he is great,
 
Moderate Right said:
It doesn't have anything at all to do with blind devotion. It has to do with whether you want to live under liberal values or conservative values, which comes back to what I said. No matter how bad Trump is or no matter what Trump does, living under conservative values is better than if we had had Hillary as president. I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries. I didn't vote for Trump in the general. More than likely I won't vote for him in 2020. I actually favor an independent ticket of Kasich/Hickenlooper. I voted for Obama in 2012 (a mistake) and have voted for moderate Democrats many times over the years. But, if Democrats pick another candidate that will be bringing liberal values on if they win, then I will not be voting for them, even if I am forced to vote for Trump to stop it. I'm perfectly fine with the rabid left getting rid of Trump and bringing on president Pence or president Ryan. Bring it on. I'll sign on the dotted line. Will you?
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Trump is not a Conservative and never has been. He is using your tribalist behavior to destroy the country and the Conservative movement with it. He is a authoritarian with no scruples or loyalty to anyone but himself . BTW Ryan will not be House speaker after the midterms so yes I will sign on to making the Speaker of the House President in 2019.
 
iguanaman said:
Trump is not a Conservative and never has been. He is using your tribalist behavior to destroy the country and the Conservative movement with it. He is a authoritarian with no scruples or loyalty to anyone but himself . BTW Ryan will not be House speaker after the midterms so yes I will sign on to making the Speaker of the House President in 2019.
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You can label him whatever the hell you want. The fact is if Hillary had been elected president we would be looking down at ever increasing liberal policies. Hasn't happened under Trump. No matter what you want to call him, the counrty is better off not having liberal values. That's why the left have gone rabid against Trump - because he stopped liberalism in it's tracks and they are foaming at the mouth because of it.
 
Moderate Right said:
You can label him whatever the hell you want. The fact is if Hillary had been elected president we would be looking down at ever increasing liberal policies. Hasn't happened under Trump. No matter what you want to call him, the counrty is better off not having liberal values. That's why the left have gone rabid against Trump - because he stopped liberalism in it's tracks and they are foaming at the mouth because of it.
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Trump is looking to stop democracy in its tracks and you don't care because of your bitter partisanship. You will be very sorry mark my words.
 
iguanaman said:
Trump is looking to stop democracy in its tracks and you don't care because of your bitter partisanship. You will be very sorry mark my words.
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He's looking to stop liberalism in it's tracks and you can't stand it.
 
radcen said:
That's hardly moderate, right?
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Actually, I hate both extremes. That's why I'm moderate. But, I own my own business and liberal policies would put me out of business.
 
markjs said:
I know the guy lives and dies over his ego and the admiring fools he inspires, but ultimately I don't think he cares if chareges are made, so long as he gets away with it and his family gets to continue to set policy to benefit themselves financially. For them that's the bottom line, fleece the position and get away with it, clean or not.
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Probably, but I think the noose is tightening around his son and son in law's necks. If he has to pardon them before the re-election, it is game over for Trump. He couldn't possibly run and survive that seeing as how he already was several million votes short when he won. You can't sell being the law and order candidate and all about enforcing laws when you intervened to get your criminal relatives off. It doesn't matter if he or his ego cares. It will matter to enough voters to toss some of those unexpected great lakes wins back into the dem column.
 
I am not familiar with the act of "Presidential Executive Pardoning" with the exception (DT) pardoned Joe Arpaio; however,
if the current president is found guilty of many criminal acts by the Special Council, Robert Mueller, and is indicted, wouldn't he be stripped of his presidential powers---unable to pardon anyone!?
 
haymarket said:
For the life of me I do not know why Trump has not fired Sessions and Mueller and dissolved the investigation and at the same time issue blanket pardons to anyone even remotely associated with the scandal. He would get away with it and the Republicans would allow him to get away with it and do next to nothing in response.

Trump only has loyalty to one thing and that is himself. Everyone and everything else can be sacrificed to the greater god that is himself.

I suspect that is what he has wanted to do all along and I do not know what is holding him back or for how long he will be restrained.
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Obama did this with the IRS scandal and Benghazi. The difference is the main stream media gave Obama cover. If Trump was to try this, fake news will try to make it look shadier that it is, even if Trump was innocent and was given pardons due to being railroaded. Advisors, who know Trump is innocent, have decided it is best to wait and trust the process, instead of do an Obama.

The wait is paying off. The proof is now appearing that will send Democrats to jail. What would happen if Trump was to pardon Hillary and Obama for their crimes? Would the main stream media support that. Would the Democrats be grateful or would they remain two faced and continue to stab Trump in the back?
 
wellwisher said:
Obama did this with the IRS scandal and Benghazi. The difference is the main stream media gave Obama cover. If Trump was to try this, fake news will try to make it look shadier that it is, even if Trump was innocent and was given pardons due to being railroaded. Advisors, who know Trump is innocent, have decided it is best to wait and trust the process, instead of do an Obama.

The wait is paying off. The proof is now appearing that will send Democrats to jail. What would happen if Trump was to pardon Hillary and Obama for their crimes? Would the main stream media support that. Would the Democrats be grateful or would they remain two faced and continue to stab Trump in the back?
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What are you referring to regarding Obama and Benghazi and the IRS?
 
Such a pardon would be obstruction of justice. A president can't use his official powers for corrupt purposes -- such as trying to avoid prosecution.
 
wellwisher said:
Obama did this with the IRS scandal and Benghazi. The difference is the main stream media gave Obama cover. If Trump was to try this, fake news will try to make it look shadier that it is, even if Trump was innocent and was given pardons due to being railroaded. Advisors, who know Trump is innocent, have decided it is best to wait and trust the process, instead of do an Obama.

The wait is paying off. The proof is now appearing that will send Democrats to jail. What would happen if Trump was to pardon Hillary and Obama for their crimes? Would the main stream media support that. Would the Democrats be grateful or would they remain two faced and continue to stab Trump in the back?
haymarket said:
What are you referring to regarding Obama and Benghazi and the IRS?
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wellwisher is clearly under too much influence of Trump's official news outlet Fox and right-wing radio. There is no indication or proof risking sending Democrats to jail. Nor is there any indication that Trump is being railroaded. Everything investigated is meticulous with facts and evidence.
 
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