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Is Trump A Cult Leader?

Is Trump a Cult Leader?


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Well said! I would like to point though, that Trump's support is 35-40% of the country as a whole, not the Republican base. Hopefully that's still not enough to re-elect him. I consider his election to be a fluke, the result of a perfect storm of circumstances. I don't think he is a cult leader but I do think there are elements of a cult of personality there. Especially among those who would still vote for him if he shot someone in public in broad daylight as he boasted he could do and get away with.

I do believe he thinks and there has been some type of analysis done internally that his support is actually either growing or definitely will not leave him. Even in the Obama days, the most ardent supporters would criticize the man. These 40% of people NEVER, NEVER criticize Trump.
 
Cult leader? I don't know. I do know that he was an experiment gone terribly wrong, as many of us predicted he would be. I think he does have an incredible knack for tapping into peoples' weaknesses and anger and perceived victimhood.

If he is a temporary experiment, and Cult45 won't last when he is out of the political picture, wouldn't that qualify as a cult? It's reshaped the Republican Party into something we don't identify with, understand or even like.
 
I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the phrase, NoNo. That only applies when someone is in your head who has no reason for being there, and you should remove that person from any of your thoughts.

In American we can't ignore the President of the United States. Did you accuse anyone who criticized President Obama during his term of allowing Obama to live rent free in their heads while he was President? I know I didn't, because it doesn't apply while that person is President and his actions impacted every American, every day.

I totally understand the phrase. When I see people that are totally obsessed in every minute detail about a person, such as how he tells jokes, what they eat (McDonalds), how they eat it, yeah, seems a little hyper focused to me. I never said Trump should not be criticized. The Stormy Daniels scandal is a valid issue. I think that is his most significant weakness right now. He SHOULD be scrutinized for that.

Why do you take offense to my being entertained by someone's proclivity to be hyper focused on idiotic issues? Does that hit a little close to home?
 
I totally understand the phrase. When I see people that are totally obsessed in every minute detail about a person, such as how he tells jokes, what they eat (McDonalds), how they eat it, yeah, seems a little hyper focused to me. I never said Trump should not be criticized. The Stormy Daniels scandal is a valid issue. I think that is his most significant weakness right now. He SHOULD be scrutinized for that.

Why do you take offense to my being entertained by someone's proclivity to be hyper focused on idiotic issues? Does that hit a little close to home?

Why did you need to type that last part to me, Nono? You and I have never had any cross words tat I recall. If you want to tell me I'm hyper focused on idiotic issues myself, please do so.
 
You just said all Liberals suck, and shouldn't be taken seriously.
I've obviously misjudged you as an Adult on this board. My bad.
Conserva-victims constantly whine about the broad brush, and you just did it ...

Just havin' some fun.... :) the OP is the broad brush. I can't take it seriously.
 
I have only been following politics for the past 16 years, I am only 29, so I have not experienced speaking with much other supporters of other candidates throughout history. Like I imagine some of the older members on this forum have. What I have learned speaking with level-headed older people, is that they have never seen anything like Trump's movement in American political history. On twitter it's known as Cult45

As I see it:
Cozying up to racists, xenophobes, wife beaters, rapists, nazis, the KKK, right wing nut jobs and even pedophiles is now a common practice among the most conservative members of the GOP in an effort to form their own anti-establishment MAGA coalition, just so they can be against social norms. (are they really that jealous of the hippies??)

Hidden behind his idealistic policies and infamous talking points which always seem to be poor attempts at trolling, there is a fundamental disconnect between the political divide of old which separated the American people via issues and not by trollish gotchas, whataboutisms, and even basic fundamental institutions or dare I say, facts...

The attacks on the media and the intelligence agencies by Trump supporters are unprecedented in American History so much so that liberals are now their cheerleaders. Liberals who as far as I am aware were always skeptical of such institutions. Now of course members of the cult will pin that on the liberals and say they have become too trusting (so that's bad?), maybe, but is it also possible that conservatives have went down the rabbit hole of crazy?? I'll trust established institutions over some crazy alternative method every time unless if it's a new technology that's been proven and I like.

Which brings me to my final point, from the top down, Trump is teaching his followers how to play the game like he does. I mean, conservatives have always been very good at being the opposition, but in 2016 they weaponized it in the media, and even more on social media for the sole purpose of trolling and destroying certain institutions. Certain norms. Certain facts. In the past people would call that mayhem or anarchy.

They say stuff without thinking. Like "liberals suck, and shouldn't be taken seriously." Who's a liberal you may ask? Anybody who doesn't support Trump. It is this behavior and their willingness to not care about the various scandals plaguing the WH and Trump as a person, that leads me to put all Trump supporters together into a cult. And somehow that leader is Trump.

I have no idea what they see in him, why a quasi-liberal reality TV star who poses as a businessman should have any relation to Joe Schmoe voter, but whatever it is. His hair, his money, his women, his charisma. Trump became their leader and they will follow him to Nuclear War, if necessary. (Murder was so last year.)

I would particularly like to hear opinions from older members of this forum if you feel like Trump supporters have cultish behavior. I can almost predict what older conservative Trump supporters will say. Obama had a cult of supporters too. True he did, but his support greatly evaporated by 2012 and even then the crazy people were pretty much silent. Trump OTOH, has actually hardened his entire base around him in a year's time and he's managed to bypass scandal over scandal. Without losing a lick of support from his main base.

I don't even think they care if Trump fires Mueller, or know why that's bad.

I doubt any meaningful conversation, comparing the history of partisan bickering will come from this poll, but we shall see.

Trump is hope and change for losers. Best way I can describe his true followers. The rest are just loyal to hating liberals.
 
Let's be real, with a few exceptions, all the lefties will vote yes, and righties no.

Maybe.

But the real curious one is the "he's temporary it's a one-time thing". How can someone believe that!? It's happened throughout history. It's nothing unique in terms of message or populism or scorched earth, etc., how can people think it's possible today, but impossible later!? It really boggles the mind.

I think in all celebrities/leaders there is an element of a cult-following. In Trump it's probably higher than Clinton, and maybe a little higher than Obama, but it's not "just" this cult-leadership phenomenon that put him where he is and has kept his followers in support of his [madness].
 
Why did you need to type that last part to me, Nono? You and I have never had any cross words tat I recall. If you want to tell me I'm hyper focused on idiotic issues myself, please do so.

Your post was not bad but you started your post out with, "I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the phrase, NoNo." No snark there?
 
people that are totally obsessed in every minute detail about a person, such as how he tells jokes, what they eat (McDonalds), how they eat it, yeah, seems a little hyper focused to me.

That was the entire Obama presidency, now you think Trump should be immune to that? Remember Tan Suits? Jimmy Fallon? Birth Certificates? Obama fangirls? The right took every little thing Obama did and amplified it. Now that Trump does dumber stuff they want us to not care about it.
 
That was the entire Obama presidency, now you think Trump should be immune to that? Remember Tan Suits? Jimmy Fallon? Birth Certificates? Obama fangirls? The right took every little thing Obama did and amplified it. Now that Trump does dumber stuff they want us to not care about it.

Where did I ever say Trump should be immune to that? I don't think he should be immune to anything. I am not commenting on anyone's right to comment on anything. Trump doesn't make people go stupid about his eating habits a big deal. They choose to do that. I am commenting on a propensity to focus on all things Trump as maybe being an instability, an obsession, overly focused by making a big deal out of nonsense issues like his eating habits or his toilet. I thought it was just as stupid when everyone asked if Michelle was transgender. It is stupid for anyone on either side to make huge deals of any of that idiotic ****. Just because one focuses on stupid **** doesn't mean the other side HAS to focus on stupid ****. I was never a birther. It didn't matter to me. I don't even know what the "Tan suit" thing is. I probably didn't care then and sure don't care now. Same thing with the Obama fangirls. No idea what that was about. Don't even care. Never heard of it. Jimmy Fallon is an idiot but not sure what that has to do with Obama. I tend to ignore a lot of stupid ****. The title of this thread is proof to what I am saying. To ask if Trump is a cult leader is an idiotic premise. What is even more idiotic is that some people actually believe that. It's like asking if Clinton is the anti-christ. That's just as stupid.
 
Where did I ever say Trump should be immune to that? I don't think he should be immune to anything. I am not commenting on anyone's right to comment on anything. Trump doesn't make people go stupid about his eating habits a big deal. They choose to do that. I am commenting on a propensity to focus on all things Trump as maybe being an instability, an obsession, overly focused by making a big deal out of nonsense issues like his eating habits or his toilet. I thought it was just as stupid when everyone asked if Michelle was transgender. It is stupid for anyone on either side to make huge deals of any of that idiotic ****. Just because one focuses on stupid **** doesn't mean the other side HAS to focus on stupid ****. I was never a birther. It didn't matter to me. I don't even know what the "Tan suit" thing is. I probably didn't care then and sure don't care now. Same thing with the Obama fangirls. No idea what that was about. Don't even care. Never heard of it. Jimmy Fallon is an idiot but not sure what that has to do with Obama. I tend to ignore a lot of stupid ****. The title of this thread is proof to what I am saying. To ask if Trump is a cult leader is an idiotic premise. What is even more idiotic is that some people actually believe that. It's like asking if Clinton is the anti-christ. That's just as stupid.

When you have a nonsense President, stupid stuff he does will get reported on. The right tried to make Obama look like a nonsense President too. I fell for some of that. The difference between the two is Trump actually is. No President goes against all advice given to him. No President has flip flopped as much as he has. No President has been sued by a pornstar and a playboy model. No President has thrown away good deals because they don't have what he wants in it. No President has had such a large amount of staff corruption or turnover. No President has ever had this much conflict of interest.

And any one of those scandals would have burnt any other Presidency to shreds. Yet because of Trump, his cult like supporters and naive enablers here we have it.
 
When you have a nonsense President, stupid stuff he does will get reported on. The right tried to make Obama look like a nonsense President too. I fell for some of that. The difference between the two is Trump actually is. No President goes against all advice given to him. No President has flip flopped as much as he has. No President has been sued by a pornstar and a playboy model. No President has thrown away good deals because they don't have what he wants in it. No President has had such a large amount of staff corruption or turnover. No President has ever had this much conflict of interest.

And any one of those scandals would have burnt any other Presidency to shreds. Yet because of Trump, his cult like supporters and naive enablers here we have it.

So you rationalize why Trump lives rent free in your head. Good on ya, I guess. GO for it. It's your right.
 
So you rationalize why Trump lives rent free in your head. Good on ya, I guess. GO for it. It's your right.

And you just said I shouldn't care about any of those things I listed. The question is why?
Why shouldn't I care? Why don't you?
 
Remember when the right was calling Obama a cult leader?


How does it feel to be no better than those you look down on?
 
And you just said I shouldn't care about any of those things I listed. The question is why?
Why shouldn't I care? Why don't you?

You can care about anything you want. It's your right. If you want to go ape**** about what Trump eats, then go for it. some people need the drama. I never cared about what Obama ate. I don't care because there are other things that are more important to care about. I don't like self generated drama. I don't like any kind of drama. It fogs up objectiveness. Why would anyone even think to ask if Trump is a cult leader? I have never seen anyone create a poll asking if Obama was a cult leader. It is a partisan hack attack poll not to be taken seriously. If it was a joke then it was a bad one.
 
Remember when the right was calling Obama a cult leader?


How does it feel to be no better than those you look down on?

I believe I mentioned Obama's cult-like supporters in my OP. There have been other Presidents who did not have such cult-like followers. But for some reason politics is stuck in a time loop.
 
This is a bait thread, pure and simple. Of course it's not a cult. The type of indoctrination and isolation required isn't present. This is just to bash Trump supporters/voters, nothing else.

Oh really? Do you want to have a point-by-point discussion about what a cult is and how Donald Trump's following fits many if not most of those points?

Again, I stress, good people can fall for bad cults. Heaven's Gate, the Branch Davidians, etc.
 
I have only been following politics for the past 16 years, I am only 29, so I have not experienced speaking with much other supporters of other candidates throughout history. Like I imagine some of the older members on this forum have. What I have learned speaking with level-headed older people, is that they have never seen anything like Trump's movement in American political history. On twitter it's known as Cult45

As I see it:
Cozying up to racists, xenophobes, wife beaters, rapists, nazis, the KKK, right wing nut jobs and even pedophiles is now a common practice among the most conservative members of the GOP in an effort to form their own anti-establishment MAGA coalition, just so they can be against social norms. (are they really that jealous of the hippies??)

Hidden behind his idealistic policies and infamous talking points which always seem to be poor attempts at trolling, there is a fundamental disconnect between the political divide of old which separated the American people via issues and not by trollish gotchas, whataboutisms, and even basic fundamental institutions or dare I say, facts...

The attacks on the media and the intelligence agencies by Trump supporters are unprecedented in American History so much so that liberals are now their cheerleaders. Liberals who as far as I am aware were always skeptical of such institutions. Now of course members of the cult will pin that on the liberals and say they have become too trusting (so that's bad?), maybe, but is it also possible that conservatives have went down the rabbit hole of crazy?? I'll trust established institutions over some crazy alternative method every time unless if it's a new technology that's been proven and I like.

Which brings me to my final point, from the top down, Trump is teaching his followers how to play the game like he does. I mean, conservatives have always been very good at being the opposition, but in 2016 they weaponized it in the media, and even more on social media for the sole purpose of trolling and destroying certain institutions. Certain norms. Certain facts. In the past people would call that mayhem or anarchy.

They say stuff without thinking. Like "liberals suck, and shouldn't be taken seriously." Who's a liberal you may ask? Anybody who doesn't support Trump. It is this behavior and their willingness to not care about the various scandals plaguing the WH and Trump as a person, that leads me to put all Trump supporters together into a cult. And somehow that leader is Trump.

I have no idea what they see in him, why a quasi-liberal reality TV star who poses as a businessman should have any relation to Joe Schmoe voter, but whatever it is. His hair, his money, his women, his charisma. Trump became their leader and they will follow him to Nuclear War, if necessary. (Murder was so last year.)

I would particularly like to hear opinions from older members of this forum if you feel like Trump supporters have cultish behavior. I can almost predict what older conservative Trump supporters will say. Obama had a cult of supporters too. True he did, but his support greatly evaporated by 2012 and even then the crazy people were pretty much silent. Trump OTOH, has actually hardened his entire base around him in a year's time and he's managed to bypass scandal over scandal. Without losing a lick of support from his main base.

I don't even think they care if Trump fires Mueller, or know why that's bad.

I doubt any meaningful conversation, comparing the history of partisan bickering will come from this poll, but we shall see.

He is not a leader, period.
 
From Cults 101: Checklist of Cult Characteristics

‪1)The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.

Well, can't comment on trump supporters' commitment to him when he's dead, but they do switch their belief system and values instantly to whatever he does at any given minute, so...check.

‪2)Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

"Punished" is vague, but those who question, doubt or show dissent against trump are instantly labeled as RINO's, deep state or liberals, so...check.

3)Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).

There's "MAGA" and "Lock her up," but actually it's a quality of all political rallies to use mantras for the purpose of shutting down individual thought, so unless you want to call all political rallies cults, then I'm going to have to go with...no.

‪4)The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).

Nope. Trump spent a large amount of time doing marketing studies to learn what his base wanted to hear and then echoed it back to them in a purer, undiluted form. I don't think that really qualifies as dictating how members should think.

5)The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members.

This is vague, especially seeing as Trump and his followers don't adhere to a set of goals that are clearly laid out. Those goals can be inferred, to be sure. A platform that is consistently anti-immigrant, consistently hostile to minorities and demeaning to non-Christians would certainly suggest that the "exalted status" is white Christianity, but that's more of an Ultranationalist or fascist label, which is a political categorization instead of a cult label, so...no.

‪6) The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.

Ooh yeah, you betcha. Major check here.

‪7) The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).

Trump and his supporters don't respect checks on his power or investigations into him, regardless of how legally legitimate they are, so...check.

‪8) The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).

His supporters have made the conscious decision that Trump's personal, moral, ethical and intellectual failings are irrelevant compared to whether he's able to deliver policy goals, so...check.

‪9) The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

Trump regularly bullies people he sees as his rivals or critics, so...check.

10) Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.

While this has been the result, it is not a rule to sever ties with one's family and friends in order to be a trump follower, so...no.

‪11) The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

While trump followers are certainly happy to accept new members, they have not shown themselves to be a "proselytizing" group. A group that's eager to attract new members wouldn't be so energetic about alienating others, so...no.

‪12) The group is preoccupied with making money.

Trump's status as a billionaire is first, and most defining trait for his followers, so I'm going to say...check.

13)‪ Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.

No, I'm not aware of this being a requirement for his supporters.

‪14) Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

Nope, not that I'm aware of. People do tend to congregate in political, economic and racial groups all on their own, and don't need a cult for that.


So I count 7 out of 14. Is that enough to qualify as a cult? The world of MAGA certainly has numerous cult-like qualities, but I think you'd need at least a majority of factors to qualify.
 
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You can care about anything you want. It's your right. If you want to go ape**** about what Trump eats, then go for it. some people need the drama. I never cared about what Obama ate. I don't care because there are other things that are more important to care about. I don't like self generated drama. I don't like any kind of drama. It fogs up objectiveness. Why would anyone even think to ask if Trump is a cult leader? I have never seen anyone create a poll asking if Obama was a cult leader. It is a partisan hack attack poll not to be taken seriously. If it was a joke then it was a bad one.

You obviously did not read my OP then. I clearly outlined why I think Trump is a cult leader in my OP, so IDK why you would now be asking that question, if you've read my post. So you don't care about Trump scandals. They are much more than, "What Trump ate." I never focused on what Trump ate and never mentioned it on this thread. Other posters may have focused on it on this site. But I do think he has dangerous and very tasteless "jokes".

Based on your remarks, I don't know what you consider a Trump scandal or if you'd care if he did anything bad. See now why I think you are just telling me to ignore everything Trump does???
 
He's no more a cult leader than any other President. Some people on the right think he can do nothing wrong, some people on the left think he can do nothing right and then there are the common sense people in the middle who look at things without rage-blinders or infatuation-blinders on. When he leaves the White House, there will be another "cult leader". The same hyper-partisans will either rage or be infatuated once again. And the cycle will continue. It's the same for every single President we've ever had.
 
Yeah, how could anyone take any kind of issue with you accusing all Trump supporters of being cult members? To object to it would simply have to be partisan bickering. When you wonder why Trump seems to be defended so often, it's because there's so much stupid stuff like this.

Anyone who disagrees with the anti-Trumpers is a racist.
 
I believe I mentioned Obama's cult-like supporters in my OP. There have been other Presidents who did not have such cult-like followers. But for some reason politics is stuck in a time loop.

Just because a group of people are passionate, does not make them a cult, and just because a person in a leadership position has followers who tend towards cultishness, it does not make that person a cult leader.
 
This is a bait thread, pure and simple. Of course it's not a cult. The type of indoctrination and isolation required isn't present. This is just to bash Trump supporters/voters, nothing else.

They still haven't figured out how President Trump got elected.
 
He's not a cult leader. He shares some very few characteristics with cult leaders (extreme ego, charisma/charm, volatility), but there are more things required to be an actual cult leader. Simply sharing characteristics with a specific type of person does not make you that type of person automatically, especially if other things are more important to the definition of that particular type of person, such as leading some sort of actual religious/dogmatic following/group.
 
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