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Was the firing of Andrew McCabe politically motivated?

Was the firing of Andrew McCabe politically motivated?

  • Yes

    Votes: 67 68.4%

  • No

    Votes: 24 24.5%

  • Not Sure

    Votes: 7 7.1%
  • Total voters
    98
MTAtech said:
It's my view that McCabe has a legal case, since Mr. Trump has repeatedly singled him out for public attack. It will appear to a judge that firing someone two days before retirement was retribution, arbitrary and without merit. Mr. McCabe will have a list of Trump tweets that he will use in his case, should be file one.
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Also the insult about his wife.
 
Winston said:
I'm sure you know that I think this is a bogus firing and the right's excuses are the products of right wing media propaganda. Also, I find it odd that you still care deeply enough about the Clinton's to spread delusional propaganda about them. As no one from the "Clinton Web" has been destroyed. But, there are a few from the Trump Web facing prosecution right now.
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You are certainly entitled to think that. But eventually you are going to have to die on that hill or re think your position. It matters to no one but you. The truth is going to come out and it's going to hard for you to swallow.
 
Probably
I listen to both MSNBC and FOX , so I know even less than before, the proverbial mushroom, fed 100% bull-**** from our wonderful media ?? But, with CNN, I do smell odious politics , from the extreme right wing (the deplorable-conservatives ......IMO.....)
 
MTAtech said:
It's my view that McCabe has a legal case, since Mr. Trump has repeatedly singled him out for public attack. It will appear to a judge that firing someone two days before retirement was retribution, arbitrary and without merit. Mr. McCabe will have a list of Trump tweets that he will use in his case, should be file one.
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I expect that not only will his full pension be awarded to him in court - but additional monies added to the sum which will end up costing the taxpayers a lot more.

And all so Trump can get off on his little petty vengeance trip to massage his own narcissistic ego. :doh:roll:
 
Winston said:
are you going to fire Sessions too for perjury?

The firing was the example of corruption. That's two wrongful terminations to obstruct an investigation, I think Mueller will take notice.
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Im ok with removing any one in office that wasn't elected for committing perjury if it does exist. Just because you think it doesn't mean its a fact. Lets let law enforcement and the investigators investigate it and if the wrong doing is there, we should all be happy to say bye bye.
But to say this was a wrongful termination is just laughable. You've been shown where this guy committed his wrong doings and you just don't like seeing him losing his job. Do you think he is untouchable and no matter what he does he cant lose his job?
Maybe you should move this thread to CT.
 
jdog21 said:
Im ok with removing any one in office that wasn't elected for committing perjury if it does exist. Just because you think it doesn't mean its a fact. Lets let law enforcement and the investigators investigate it and if the wrong doing is there, we should all be happy to say bye bye.
But to say this was a wrongful termination is just laughable. You've been shown where this guy committed his wrong doings and you just don't like seeing him losing his job. Do you think he is untouchable and no matter what he does he cant lose his job?
Maybe you should move this thread to CT.
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No, I don't believe you. The firing of Andrew McCabe doesn't make any sense unless interpreted as an act of revenge and protection of Trump.
 
TheGoverness said:
When there's Trump, there's a jab thrown at someone's wife.
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The relationship between the man he hates and his wife is certainly a pattern.

Oh, who am I kidding, drawing correlations and recognizing patterns? He's just a miserable piece of **** with no redeeming qualities.
 
Any president before trump would have been impeached for abuse of power and breaching the wall between the White House and the DOJ, but we're now just used to this sort of thing from him, which answers an important historical question: why do citizens allow dictatorships to flourish in their democracies? And the answer is pretty anticlimactic: they just get used to it.
 
Winston said:
The stated reason for termination is "misleading investigators about disclosing information regarding the Hillary Foundation investigation" and "lacked candor under oath"

The first excuse is absurd. The 2nd one is vague.

What say ye?
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why are there already conflicting stories?
 
Winston said:
The stated reason for termination is "misleading investigators about disclosing information regarding the Hillary Foundation investigation" and "lacked candor under oath"

The first excuse is absurd. The 2nd one is vague.

What say ye?
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Your explanation in your post of why he was fired is what is vague. We can revisit this when IG Horowitz's report, comes out and read in detail why it was recommended he be fired. And you won't be able to claim it was partisan because Horowitz is an Obama appointee. Also the left seems to forget why Horowitz was asked to investigate how the FBI handled the Clinton Email investigation. It was because Democrats blamed Comey for re-opening the case against Hillary just weeks before the election and blamed him for her loss. Democrat Congress critters requested the investigation..

The moral to this story.....be careful what you ask for.
 
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vesper said:
Your explanation in your post of why he was fired is what is vague. We can revisit this when IG Horowitz's report, comes out and read in detail why it was recommended he be fired. And you won't be able to claim it was partisan because Horowitz is an Obama appointee. Also the left seems to forget why Horowitz was asked to investigate how the FBI handled the Clinton Email investigation. It was because Democrats blamed Comey for re-opening the case against Hillary just weeks before the election and blamed him for her loss. Democrat Congress critters requested the investigation..

The moral to this story.....be careful what you ask for.
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There are legitimate gripes with the FBI and how they publicly reopened the case against Clinton a mere week before election. But that discussion is moot because the well has been hopelessly poisoned by three quarters of a year of Trump going after the FBI and cyberbullying Sessions for being under investigation for his ties to Russia. The FBI was, in fact, bullied into opening an investigation into the Clinton Foundation, which represented the first major wall in our Democracy to fall. In other words, any discussion of the merits of firing McCabe effectively don't matter: his retirement benefits would have to be restored to him for the sole reason that any motive for firing him is tainted by personal malevolence of the employer.

That's the consequence of breaching the wall between the DOJ and the White House: every decision and motive of the Department of Justice now hang under a permanent cloud of suspicion.
 
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Cardinal said:
There are legitimate gripes with the FBI and how they publicly reopened the case against Clinton a mere week before election. But that discussion is moot because the well has been hopelessly poisoned by three quarters of a year of Trump going after the FBI and cyberbullying Sessions for being under investigation for his ties to Russia. The FBI was, in fact, bullied into opening an investigation into the Clinton Foundation, which represented the first major wall in our Democracy to fall. In other words, any discussion of the merits of firing McCabe effectively don't matter: his retirement benefits would have to be restored to him for the sole reason that any motive for firing him is tainted by personal malevolence of the employer.

That's the consequence of breaching the wall between the DOJ and the White House: every decision and motive of the Department of Justice now hang under a permanent cloud of suspicion.
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It is also my view that the White House's version of events is always false. They have burned their credibility as an effigy of modern conservatism.
 
Winston said:
It is also my view that the White House's version of events is always false. They have burned their credibility as an effigy of modern conservatism.
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I remember being slammed even by some mods for dismissing Trump as automatically non-credible when his lies were in the "mere" hundreds. Now that his lies have exceeded 2500, only the most die hard kook-aid drinkers are expecting anybody to heed the word of the president. And frankly I suspect even they are just trolling.
 
Winston said:
Okay, the alleged leak occurred in Nov. of 2016. Why wasn't action taken then?
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Gee you think it was because Lynch and Obama were in control?

Also, the leak was to the benefit of the Trump campaign. So, who in their infinite wisdom believes that Trump and the DOJ are that concerned about defending the honor of Hillary Clinton?
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Evidence that the leaks benefited Trump. Wasn't it McCabe who rewrote the Comey statement about the outcome of the Hillary email investigation?

Sources that spoke to The Hill claimed that at least three top FBI officials were involved in changing the language of Comey’s statement, including Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, General Counsel James Baker, and chief of staff Jim Rybicki.

Those names should raise eyebrows. McCabe was the former acting director of the FBI after Comey’s firing and his wife came under scrutiny for previously undisclosed ties to the Clintons.
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https://www.conservativereview.com/...en-helped-comey-soften-his-clinton-statement/

Also consider that candidate Trump publicly called for Russia to hack the emails of Clinton. I can't get it straight, are leaks great or are leaks bad?
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No Trump didn't call for the Russians to hack Hillary's email...he said

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”
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Nothing about hacking and anyone with any common sense would know he was joking....well maybe liberal who hate Trump so much they will grab anything blown in the wind.
 
Cardinal said:
There are legitimate gripes with the FBI and how they publicly reopened the case against Clinton a mere week before election. But that discussion is moot because the well has been hopelessly poisoned by three quarters of a year of Trump going after the FBI and cyberbullying Sessions for being under investigation for his ties to Russia. The FBI was, in fact, bullied into opening an investigation into the Clinton Foundation, which represented the first major wall in our Democracy to fall. In other words, any discussion of the merits of firing McCabe effectively don't matter: his retirement benefits would have to be restored to him for the sole reason that any motive for firing him is tainted by personal malevolence of the employer.

That's the consequence of breaching the wall between the DOJ and the White House: every decision and motive of the Department of Justice now hang under a permanent cloud of suspicion.
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As soon as the Trump administration dumps all the Obama hold overs that cloud of suspicion will most likely disappear.
 
Cardinal said:
I remember being slammed even by some mods for dismissing Trump as automatically non-credible when his lies were in the "mere" hundreds. Now that his lies have exceeded 2500, only the most die hard kook-aid drinkers are expecting anybody to heed the word of the president. And frankly I suspect even they are just trolling.
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they've been contradicted so many times after everything came to light and it always seems like they get contradicted just as I expected.
 
antiquity said:
Gee you think it was because Lynch and Obama were in control?



Evidence that the leaks benefited Trump. Wasn't it McCabe who rewrote the Comey statement about the outcome of the Hillary email investigation?



https://www.conservativereview.com/...en-helped-comey-soften-his-clinton-statement/



No Trump didn't call for the Russians to hack Hillary's email...he said



Nothing about hacking and anyone with any common sense would know he was joking....well maybe liberal who hate Trump so much they will grab anything blown in the wind.
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Fancy spin on this story doesn't change what actually happened.
 
antiquity said:
As soon as the Trump administration dumps all the Obama hold overs that cloud of suspicion will most likely disappear.
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Yes, we saw that strategy in action already. Trump bragged to Russian diplomats that firing Comey lifted the pressure off of him. That certainly worked wonders, didn't it?
 
Winston said:
The stated reason for termination is "misleading investigators about disclosing information regarding the Hillary Foundation investigation" and "lacked candor under oath"

The first excuse is absurd. The 2nd one is vague.

What say ye?
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So Trump should get fired because he gave $$$ to the Clinton Foundation, right?
 
Cardinal said:
Yes, we saw that strategy in action already. Trump bragged to Russian diplomats that firing Comey lifted the pressure off of him. That certainly worked wonders, didn't it?
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After the firing of James Comey was shown to be an all out debacle with competing explanations like a high schooler trying to skip Geometry class, I can't understand how anyone could take these bozos seriously.

The obvious answer is the answer. Trump is trying to punish those not loyal to him and protect himself. It's as simple as a wannabe strongman flexing some muscle.
 
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