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Was the firing of Andrew McCabe politically motivated?

Was the firing of Andrew McCabe politically motivated?

  • Yes

    Votes: 67 68.4%

  • No

    Votes: 24 24.5%

  • Not Sure

    Votes: 7 7.1%
  • Total voters
    98
Like real estate and location, timing, timing, timing..............
 
Winston said:
I mean, that Andrew McCabe was fired so, that when he turns witness to the Mueller probe the Trump defense can question his credibility.
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To my way of thinking, he has destroyed any credibility he once may have had.

If his recent actions are representative of his previous actions, it calls to question his integrity and the integrity of those that promoted him.

We have a very bad problem in our spy agencies.
 
jdog21 said:
Well as you state he leaked information right, so that's a fireable offense, so why would you then say the FBI OPR is lying?
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Because Trump was driving the firing.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, because fired folks can't testify.
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Demonizing, character assassination, poisoning the well.

Surely you know these tactics are the bread and butter of politics, and can be effective, right? Do not defend these morons. I mean it when I say it, unlike Hawkeye10...you're better than that :p
 
Cardinal said:
Hahahahaha....whut?
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That is what McCabe seems to be asserting.

The fired FBI deputy director quickly made several statements to the press following his ouster, characterizing his dismissal as an attempt to sabotage Robert Mueller's special counsel investigation.

“The idea that I was dishonest is just wrong,” McCabe told The New York Times. “This is part of an effort to discredit me as a witness.”

"Here is the reality: I am being singled out and treated this way because of the role I played, the actions I took, and the events I witnessed in the aftermath of the firing of James Comey," McCabe added in his statement.
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McCabe: I did not leak to the media | TheHill
 
Even the "investigation" was political. The fast-tracked review, political. Trump ordering sessions to Fire him. Session's choice to do what the president said...it's unknown if that was done to agree with Trump, or to extend Sessions's time so that he can possibly stay to prevent him from firing Mueller. We won't know that until Sessions's tell-all I suppose, and that may be posthumous.
 
Winston said:
Because Trump was driving the firing.
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Trump didn't force him to leak information to the press. Trump didn't force him to lie to the Inspector General. Both are fireable offenses. McCabe made his own bed. Trump merely supply the public pressure to look into if the guy did these horrible acts.
 
jdog21 said:
Trump didn't force him to leak information to the press. Trump didn't force him to lie to the Inspector General. Both are fireable offenses. McCabe made his own bed. Trump merely supply the public pressure to look into if the guy did these horrible acts.
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No, this termination just like James Comey would not have happened without Trump pressuring the DOJ.
 
Cardinal said:
Yeah, and the idea that it would work is the dumbest thing I've heard in 2018.
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Which was my point as well. Testimony, backed by actual (physical?) evidence, cannot be blown off no matter who presents it. That is why testimony even from jail house snitches is often presented.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Which was my point as well. Testimony, backed by actual evidence, cannot be blown off no matter who presents it. That is why testimony even from jail house snitches is often presented.
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Okay, I misunderstood you. My bad.
 
Winston said:
The stated reason for termination is "misleading investigators about disclosing information regarding the Hillary Foundation investigation" and "lacked candor under oath"

The first excuse is absurd. The 2nd one is vague.

What say ye?
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Well of course it was political. It always is, to some extent.
 
Winston said:
No, this termination just like James Comey would not have happened without Trump pressuring the DOJ.
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The text messages by his associates may have helped just a tad.
 
Winston said:
The stated reason for termination is "misleading investigators about disclosing information regarding the Hillary Foundation investigation" and "lacked candor under oath"

The first excuse is absurd. The 2nd one is vague.

What say ye?
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Sounds plenty fishy to me. This is simply Trump trying to screw somebody he has been out to get for quite a while now and deprive him of his well earned pension.
 
Winston said:
The stated reason for termination is "misleading investigators about disclosing information regarding the Hillary Foundation investigation" and "lacked candor under oath"

The first excuse is absurd. The 2nd one is vague.

What say ye?
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It is painfully obvious this was political, and the timing was intentionally cruel. This has come to be almost expected in this administration and is rather disheartening for me, I can only imagine how his staff feels.
 
Winston said:
No, this termination just like James Comey would not have happened without Trump pressuring the DOJ.
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Saying that a government org like the FBI wouldn't terminate an employee when that person commits two fireable offenses is saying they are corrupt, you should be glad Trump provided the pressure then to help put a stop to the corruption.
 
TheGoverness said:
Well of course it was political. It always is, to some extent.
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You're so evasive these days! All things are political = moot, you're taking the absolute skeptic position, it's not useful.

What the *relative* level of politics vs routine FBI/DOJ process was, regarding McCabe.
10% political? 50%? 95%?
 
Winston said:
Well, the OIG would disagree with you. They can't brazenly say that McCabe was fired for political considerations, that is unethical. but, if we know that he was fired for political reasons, then we know the reasons given by the OIG were manufactured for that purpose.

so, if he was fired for political reasons, and it seems a few are in agreement that he was. What were those reasons? the overarching motivation is to discredit him before he cooperates with Mueller. The right braying on about perjury and leaking is just noise, imo. And just like they screamed Benghazi to the high heavens, they will scream perjury.
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Hirings and firings in Washington are always political. I would imagine that very few happen for non-political reasons. Benghazi never bothered me. It was a covert operation gone bad. The Arab Spring gave a good cover story for the covert operation which the Obama administration latched right onto it. Not all covert operations work or go according to plan. All administrations try to keep them out of the public domain. But once they become public, it's best for a president, any president just to admit to it and move on. That didn't happen with Benghazi as Obama and company tried to stick to the original cover story way too long. My opinion anyway.

Washington is too politicized for its own good and for the good of the nation. We've entered an era where it is the good of the political party over rides the good for the nation. It is loyalty to party or to an individual, Trump in this instant over loyalty to country. This nation will pay a heavy price for this.
 
jdog21 said:
Saying that a government org like the FBI wouldn't terminate an employee when that person commits two fireable offenses is saying they are corrupt, you should be glad Trump provided the pressure then to help put a stop to the corruption.
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Good one!
 
It's my view that McCabe has a legal case, since Mr. Trump has repeatedly singled him out for public attack. It will appear to a judge that firing someone two days before retirement was retribution, arbitrary and without merit. Mr. McCabe will have a list of Trump tweets that he will use in his case, should be file one.
 
Winston said:
The stated reason for termination is "misleading investigators about disclosing information regarding the Hillary Foundation investigation" and "lacked candor under oath"

The first excuse is absurd. The 2nd one is vague.

What say ye?
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His firing was recommended by the Office of Professional Standards based on reports by the Inspector General. The OPS is a civilian bureaucracy that does personnel investigations then makes recommendations. You all hear how it takes an act of congress to fire someone, will now you are looking at how it happens and why others still have their jobs. It's just not their turn yet.

"Lacking candor under oath" means that he either didn't tell the whole truth and left parts out that should not have been left out, IOW concealing relevant details.

Mc Cabe lied to the Inspector General and lost his pension. But coming down the pike are several more reports from the IG, and I would not be surprised to see Mc Cabe indicted, as well as Strzok and his girlfriend Lisa Page. It as been said by a source that he has said that "if I go down, a lot of others are going down with me".

The story I got was the first of the IG reports were to come out in early March and the longer they are delayed means the more people referred for indictment.

So while the Anti Trumpers fizz like salt on a snail, this is a real deal investigation and people are going to go to jail.

Everyone who gets mixed up in the Clinton's web is destroyed. That is a truism that is as faithful as the sun rising in the east.
 
Mach said:
You're so evasive these days! All things are political = moot, you're taking the absolute skeptic position, it's not useful.

What the *relative* level of politics vs routine FBI/DOJ process was, regarding McCabe.
10% political? 50%? 95%?
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What did I say that was evasive? I answered his question.

And I have no idea how political it might've been. I assume a substantial amount of it was.
 
jdog21 said:
Saying that a government org like the FBI wouldn't terminate an employee when that person commits two fireable offenses is saying they are corrupt, you should be glad Trump provided the pressure then to help put a stop to the corruption.
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are you going to fire Sessions too for perjury?

The firing was the example of corruption. That's two wrongful terminations to obstruct an investigation, I think Mueller will take notice.
 
chuckiechan said:
His firing was recommended by the Office of Professional Standards based on reports by the Inspector General. The OPS is a civilian bureaucracy that does personnel investigations then makes recommendations. You all hear how it takes an act of congress to fire someone, will now you are looking at how it happens and why others still have their jobs. It's just not their turn yet.

"Lacking candor under oath" means that he either didn't tell the whole truth and left parts out that should not have been left out, IOW concealing relevant details.

Mc Cabe lied to the Inspector General and lost his pension. But coming down the pike are several more reports from the IG, and I would not be surprised to see Mc Cabe indicted, as well as Strzok and his girlfriend Lisa Page. It as been said by a source that he has said that "if I go down, a lot of others are going down with me".

The story I got was the first of the IG reports were to come out in early March and the longer they are delayed means the more people referred for indictment.

So while the Anti Trumpers fizz like salt on a snail, this is a real deal investigation and people are going to go to jail.

Everyone who gets mixed up in the Clinton's web is destroyed. That is a truism that is as faithful as the sun rising in the east.
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I'm sure you know that I think this is a bogus firing and the right's excuses are the products of right wing media propaganda. Also, I find it odd that you still care deeply enough about the Clinton's to spread delusional propaganda about them. As no one from the "Clinton Web" has been destroyed. But, there are a few from the Trump Web facing prosecution right now.
 
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