Will you make a personal committment to stop the political hate?

Will you make a promise to yourself to stop PERPETUATING the political hate, and instead work to TERMINATE it.
I see we are on a downward spiral with the partisanship and blame.
I see lots of venom being spit back and forth, and each side says the other needs to stop first.

Rather than wait for someone else to take action and be civil, will you make a commitment to stop your own actions in this arena?
If you wait for someone else to be civil, you may never see it and you have no control over them anyway.
You DO have control over yourself.
What say you?

Trump voters are not toothless Bubbas.
Democrats do not have pointy tails.

1. YES...I will do my personal best to curb and angry and hateful speech I may do, and try and stop it before it reaches my keyboard. When someone else uses it against me, I will disengage and walk away. This is the internet after all and some type things merely for a reaction. I will not react.

2. NO... the other side is a bunch of soulless demons and are not deserving of any respect, politeness, courtesy, or even human decency afforded a stranger. They started it, and it is all their fault. I will PERPETUATE it because my side is right and they are wrong.

3. I choose to hide behind the bar until the brawl is over.

MY RATIONAL:

I have not even been a member even one year yet but already I have been told....

I am a threat to one woman's children because I voted for Trump.

I can not wait to go out and murder people "with impunity" because I am a gun owner.

I am a racist and a horrible person because I believe ALL LIVES matter.

To quote Ten Years After..." Tell me, where is the sanity "?

Are we in a downward spiral when it comes to merely disagreeing?
has disagreeing with someone now a lost art?
Do we not have the ability to merely talk with each other about differing matters without it becoming a personal bar room brawl?

I believe it was Samuel Clemons who once said..." The United States is one for the few places in the world where an ordinary person can stand in the town square and cuss the president. The president can either cuss back or go fishing ".

Let's all learn how to go fishing again, shall we?

Just watching the fire burn at this point.

PleasantValley said:

Will you make a promise to yourself to stop PERPETUATING the political hate, and instead work to TERMINATE it.
I see we are on a downward spiral with the partisanship and blame.
I see lots of venom being spit back and forth, and each side says the other needs to stop first.

Rather than wait for someone else to take action and be civil, will you make a commitment to stop your own actions in this arena?
If you wait for someone else to be civil, you may never see it and you have no control over them anyway.
You DO have control over yourself.
What say you?

Trump voters are not toothless Bubbas.
Democrats do not have pointy tails.

1. YES...I will do my personal best to curb and angry and hateful speech I may do, and try and stop it before it reaches my keyboard. When someone else uses it against me, I will disengage and walk away. This is the internet after all and some type things merely for a reaction. I will not react.

2. NO... the other side is a bunch of soulless demons and are not deserving of any respect, politeness, courtesy, or even human decency afforded a stranger. They started it, and it is all their fault. I will PERPETUATE it because my side is right and they are wrong.

3. I choose to hide behind the bar until the brawl is over.

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Okay, because I recognize the truth in your post, I voted Yes.

I'll try.

It's a worthy goal.

HowardBThiname said:

Okay, because I recognize the truth in your post, I voted Yes.

I'll try.

It's a worthy goal.

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I humbly Thank you.
As it is a personal request of an individual, I feel it will have the most positive impact.
This downward spiral can only be stopped by our on personal efforts.

By actively and vocally opposing Trump and his supporters I AM taking a stand against hate. Intolerance of bigotry is not bigotry.

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By actively and vocally opposing Trump and his supporters I AM taking a stand against hate. Intolerance of bigotry is not bigotry.

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He's not talking about opposition with debate, but the personal attacks and name calling. I don't think you fit that description.

Nope, because one side actually has reasons for the hate of complete dishonest idiots, racists and greedy people. There is no redeeming qualities of Trump what so ever, anybody who still supports him are either racists, complete idiots, or greedy and just want tax breaks, who cares if the country gets forked even more in the process. I make no apologies of that, Trump supporters can't defend their position with facts, logic and reasoning, so they are not the same as most liberals that do

Stop pretending both sides are equal. I'm sick of that crap. One side has facts, logic and reasoning, the other side has nothing but rhetoric, lies and deflections

I have no problem with pledging something I am already committed to doing.

However, it will be interesting to see how many of our peers on the Left would be willing to commit to moderating, much less giving up entirely a primary tool of their "debate arsenal."

Hmmm...

Sampson Simpson said:

Nope, because one side actually has reasons for the hate of complete dishonest idiots, racists and greedy people. There is no redeeming qualities of Trump what so ever, anybody who still supports him are either racists, complete idiots, or greedy and just want tax breaks, who cares if the country gets forked even more in the process. I make no apologies of that, Trump supporters can't defend their position with facts, logic and reasoning, so they are not the same as most liberals that do

Stop pretending both sides are equal. I'm sick of that crap. One side has facts, logic and reasoning, the other side has nothing but rhetoric, lies and deflections

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calamity said:

Nope. **** them and the horse they rode in on. Beat those pissants to a pulp I will.

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I doubt very many if any at all. :coffeepap:

Nope. **** them and the horse they rode in on. Beat those pissants to a pulp I will.

Okay - I will play at this game even though it is not totally honestly set up and framed .......

I said NO -

I view Trump and the tea party right wing movement as a serious threat to the very existence of the USA as we know it and the democratic political institutions that are its very underpinnings. So I will oppose Trump and trumps and right wing know nothingism at every opportunity and not apologize for it.

haymarket said:

Okay - I will play at this game even though it is not totally honestly set up and framed .......

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This. It's set up with a premise to stop the hate then in the second post tries to put people on defense.

Probably one or two trolls said he's a racist because he thinks all lives matter and tries to paint it out that it an actual and rational feeling most people on the other side of him feel because of his stance.

I think most of us do civilly debate here but it's the ones that just want to have fun that try and ruin it for everyone.

PleasantValley said:

Will you make a promise to yourself to stop PERPETUATING the political hate, and instead work to TERMINATE it.
I see we are on a downward spiral with the partisanship and blame.
I see lots of venom being spit back and forth, and each side says the other needs to stop first.

Rather than wait for someone else to take action and be civil, will you make a commitment to stop your own actions in this arena?
If you wait for someone else to be civil, you may never see it and you have no control over them anyway.
You DO have control over yourself.
What say you?

Trump voters are not toothless Bubbas.
Democrats do not have pointy tails.

1. YES...I will do my personal best to curb and angry and hateful speech I may do, and try and stop it before it reaches my keyboard. When someone else uses it against me, I will disengage and walk away. This is the internet after all and some type things merely for a reaction. I will not react.

2. NO... the other side is a bunch of soulless demons and are not deserving of any respect, politeness, courtesy, or even human decency afforded a stranger. They started it, and it is all their fault. I will PERPETUATE it because my side is right and they are wrong.

3. I choose to hide behind the bar until the brawl is over.

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I've tried to do number 1. But virtually every single Trump supporter on this board has made ignorant blanket comments about high schoolers who participated in the walkouts. They are wrecking the future of the Republican Party. I know most Trump devotees don't care about the Republican Party, but I still do, so it's hard for me to do that. What I think I need to do is just stay away from most of the posts.

I wish more people were like you. You're passionate without being obnoxious. That's why you've become one of my favorite posters on DP.

Sampson Simpson said:

Nope, because one side actually has reasons for the hate of complete dishonest idiots, racists and greedy people. There is no redeeming qualities of Trump what so ever, anybody who still supports him are either racists, complete idiots, or greedy and just want tax breaks, who cares if the country gets forked even more in the process. I make no apologies of that, Trump supporters can't defend their position with facts, logic and reasoning, so they are not the same as most liberals that do

Stop pretending both sides are equal. I'm sick of that crap. One side has facts, logic and reasoning, the other side has nothing but rhetoric, lies and deflections

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BOTH sides are guilty of rhetoric, lies and deflection...

I'm always fairly civil in my discourse here.

That said, I'm not going to be attenuating my dislike for The Donald and his crony's anytime soon.

I think we do have some members who can and do carry on a civil debate but sadly they get lost in the other posts full of name calling like trumpanzee's, libtards, hillarybillies or the broad stroke brushing of all righties or all lefties or the everything is (fill in the blank) ______ fault. That has gotten old and IMO once someone resorts to the name calling or broad stroking or whataboutism they lose credibility even if their post is on spot.

No thank you.

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After trashing the White House and the nation, embracing white nationalism, demonizing immigrants, having a torrid affair with Russia, the party winds down, the lights come on, and the cops show up.
Time to sober up and say "hey, can't we just forget about all this and you know, go back to bi-partisanship and stuff?"

PleasantValley said:

Will you make a promise to yourself to stop PERPETUATING the political hate, and instead work to TERMINATE it.
I see we are on a downward spiral with the partisanship and blame.
I see lots of venom being spit back and forth, and each side says the other needs to stop first.

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Peace is not the goal. Justice is the goal. Fights need to happen sometimes. In fact, I think one of the single biggest problems we're having in this country is caused by the fact that among friends and family members we do not have enough political arguments. People don't want to reck a party or a family dinner with it. I get that, but what happens instead is we retreat into our respective bubbles were we have confidence everyone will agree with us.

PleasantValley said:

Trump voters are not toothless Bubbas.

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Toothless? Maybe not, but yeah sorry it's mostly ignorant rednecks.

PleasantValley said:

2. NO... the other side is a bunch of soulless demons and are not deserving of any respect, politeness, courtesy, or even human decency afforded a stranger. They started it, and it is all their fault. I will PERPETUATE it because my side is right and they are wrong.

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Sorry, but Donald Trump's entire campaign was based on personally attacking people, and spreading racism and hate towards marginalized groups. You don't get to nominate him one day, and then turn around the next and ask people to be nice to you. When Trump was nominated the gloves came off. There's not compromising anymore. These **** heads need to be crushed once and for all. There is no saving the Republican party anymore. It's a lost cause that needs to go the way of the dodo. The Democratic Party and the Libertarian Party are the only two viable political parties in the country at this point, and there will be no peace in this country so long as Republicans are in power.

PleasantValley said:

Will you make a promise to yourself to stop PERPETUATING the political hate, and instead work to TERMINATE it.
I see we are on a downward spiral with the partisanship and blame.
I see lots of venom being spit back and forth, and each side says the other needs to stop first.

Rather than wait for someone else to take action and be civil, will you make a commitment to stop your own actions in this arena?
If you wait for someone else to be civil, you may never see it and you have no control over them anyway.
You DO have control over yourself.
What say you?

Trump voters are not toothless Bubbas.
Democrats do not have pointy tails.

1. YES...I will do my personal best to curb and angry and hateful speech I may do, and try and stop it before it reaches my keyboard. When someone else uses it against me, I will disengage and walk away. This is the internet after all and some type things merely for a reaction. I will not react.

2. NO... the other side is a bunch of soulless demons and are not deserving of any respect, politeness, courtesy, or even human decency afforded a stranger. They started it, and it is all their fault. I will PERPETUATE it because my side is right and they are wrong.

3. I choose to hide behind the bar until the brawl is over.

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Well, I am already committed to standing against rabid partisanship. On both sides.

Republicans: guuuuuyssssss, why can't we all just get alonggggggggg. Kumbaya.

Also republicans: Lets vote for the guy who mocks disabled people.

Clearly for some here, without hate and insults they wouldn't have anything to "contribute" here at all.

Not surprised by their unwillingness to cease with the hyper-partisan toxicity.

PleasantValley said:

Will you make a promise to yourself to stop PERPETUATING the political hate, and instead work to TERMINATE it.
I see we are on a downward spiral with the partisanship and blame.
I see lots of venom being spit back and forth, and each side says the other needs to stop first.

Rather than wait for someone else to take action and be civil, will you make a commitment to stop your own actions in this arena?
If you wait for someone else to be civil, you may never see it and you have no control over them anyway.
You DO have control over yourself.
What say you?

Trump voters are not toothless Bubbas.
Democrats do not have pointy tails.

1. YES...I will do my personal best to curb and angry and hateful speech I may do, and try and stop it before it reaches my keyboard. When someone else uses it against me, I will disengage and walk away. This is the internet after all and some type things merely for a reaction. I will not react.

2. NO... the other side is a bunch of soulless demons and are not deserving of any respect, politeness, courtesy, or even human decency afforded a stranger. They started it, and it is all their fault. I will PERPETUATE it because my side is right and they are wrong.

3. I choose to hide behind the bar until the brawl is over.

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Good luck with that. The left has been filled with hate since 2016. They know nothing else.

PleasantValley said:

MY RATIONAL:

I have not even been a member even one year yet but already I have been told...

I am a threat to one woman's children because I voted for Trump.

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Likely an accurate statement whether you realize it or not.

PleasantValley said:

I can not wait to go out and murder people "with impunity" because I am a gun owner.

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Sounds like a straw man you're making up. You may not want to murder, but you are complicit in it.

PleasantValley said:

I am a racist and a horrible person because I believe ALL LIVES matter.

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Absolutely the truth.

PleasantValley said:

Are we in a downward spiral when it comes to merely disagreeing?
has disagreed with someone now a lost art?

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Everyone is entitled to their own Opinion, but what people like you need to learn is that there is a difference between an opinion and a logical conclusion. An opinion is generally just a preference or judgment. It's something like "Red is my favorite color," "I like Pizza." We can agree to disagree on things like that.

But when you say something like... "Tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires are an excellent way to create jobs" you're not expressing an opinion. That's a logical conclusion, and we can use facts, math, data, science, and logic to demonstrate why it's a ****ing stupid conclusion that cannot be supported by evidence. Logical conclusions can be judged as better or worse, valid or invalid, rational or irrational, and sometimes even right and wrong.

Let me try and put it in these terms for you. If you and I were having a discussion about who's the best quarterback in the NFL. I might say it's Aaron Rodgers, and you might say it's Tom Brady, and we could agree to disagree just fine. There are some people who would even try to argue that it's Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, or Russel Wilson and we might entertain that argument.

But if you were the head coach or GM of a football team, and you decided to sign Johnny Manziel to a four year $120 million guaranteed contracts over a perfectly healthy Russell Wilson that was asking the same price your ass would be fired on the spot, and you would never work another day in the NFL. Every fan, and pundent would say you're a ****ing moron, and they'd be perfectly justified in that belief. There is no way that a reasonable intelligent human being that knows anything about football could make that decision. That is an indefensible decision that should get you fired instantly. It's not simply a gentleman's disagreement. That is an egregiously bad move and any fan that would be pissed off at you for it is justified in their anger. I don't give a **** about the interception Wilson threw in the super bowl two years ago, that doesn't justify giving that contract to Manziel who couldn't even convince the Browns to keep him.

Voting for Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton is an equally indefensible position. You gave a reckless lunatic advocating fascist ideas who was beloved by the KKK and Neo-Nazis around the country access to nuclear weapons. I don't give a flying **** about her emails, or what you think you know about the Clinton Foundation. Donald Trump's entire campaign strategy was to bully his opponents, and hope that enough people who didn't like those people would think it was funny and vote for him. You don't get to elect a bully one day, and then turn around the next and ask everyone to be nice to you. If you elect a bully, then you deserve to get bullied right back. There is no way you can support making Donald Trump the President of the United States and call yourself a reasonably intelligent human being with your countries best interests at heart. America is no longer the leader of the free world, and people like you are the reason why.

There are only two excuses for voting for Donald Trump. Ignorance and Evil. I'll let you decide which of those words best describes you, but I guarantee one of them does.

RabidAlpaca said:

By actively and vocally opposing Trump and his supporters I AM taking a stand against hate. Intolerance of bigotry is not bigotry.

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And in a thread about stopping the hate, we get the hate. Very predictable.