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Rational?: U.S. chief LEO urges broader capital punishment but insisted DOJ, FBI, Judiciary biased,

....not to mention he habitually accuses the most prominent print and electronic news media of lying, reporting fake news.
If you find the rhetoric of the president resonating as coherent, reasonable, especially with regard to his praise/citing of China dictator
Xi, (and extrajudicial policies of Duterte, Erdogan, and Putin) as he urges expansion of capital punishment, an irrevocable punishment determined
by the same investigative and judicial authorities he has declared unreliable, untrustworthy, corrupt, please share why this makes sense to you.
IOW, if the news media is by and large, fake, and the judges, investigators, and prosecutors biased to the degree this president repeatedly accuses
them of being, how does he expect there will be transparency and accountability as to determination of guilt rising to a level justifying execution,
and where does it end? If this "law and order," messaging is not rational, are political dissidents or losing political candidates at increasing risk of investigation and prosecution?

At rally, Trump again calls for the death penalty for drug dealers

At rally, Trump again calls for the death penalty for drug dealers

By WASHINGTON POST
MAR 11, 2018

President Trump on Saturday again called for enacting the death penalty for drug dealers during a rally meant to bolster a struggling GOP candidate for a U.S. House seat here.During the campaign event in this conservative western Pennsylvania district, the president also veered off into a list of other topics, including North Korea, his distaste for the news media and his own election victory 16 months ago..........Trump said that allowing prosecutors to seek the death penalty for drug dealers -- an idea he said he got from Chinese President Xi Jinping -- is "a discussion we have to start thinking about. I don't know if this country's ready for it."..............

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...63893265565_story.html?utm_term=.0e909a8e5200

Chinese President Xi Jinping casts his vote for a constitutional amendment to abolish presidential term limits Sunday at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing.
By Emily RauhalaMarch 11 ...........
“The legacy of Deng Xiaoping's efforts to avoid lifelong presidency have been abolished completely,” He said.
Though the power grab has earned Xi comparisons to leaders such as Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Russia’s Vladimir Putin, his vision for China is singular — and will have an impact well beyond China’s borders.

Since his ascendance in 2012, Xi has moved quickly to consolidate power at home and trumpet an ever-grander vision of China’s place in the world. .....
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It was not the first time Trump had suggested executing drug dealers. Earlier this month, he described it as a way to fight the opioid epidemic. And on Friday, the Washington Post reported that the Trump administration was considering policy changes to allow prosecutors to seek the death penalty.


But on Saturday his call for executing drug dealers got some of the most enthusiastic cheers of the night. As Trump spoke about policies on the issue in China and Singapore, dozens of people nodded their heads in agreement. "We love Trump!" one man yelled. A woman shouted: "Pass it!".......
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post said:
....not to mention he habitually accuses the most prominent print and electronic news media of lying, reporting fake news.
If you find the rhetoric of the president resonating as coherent, reasonable, especially with regard to his praise/citing of China dictator
Xi, (and extrajudicial policies of Duterte, Erdogan, and Putin) as he urges expansion of capital punishment, an irrevocable punishment determined
by the same investigative and judicial authorities he has declared unreliable, untrustworthy, corrupt, please share why this makes sense to you.
IOW, if the news media is by and large, fake, and the judges, investigators, and prosecutors biased to the degree this president repeatedly accuses
them of being, how does he expect there will be transparency and accountability as to determination of guilt rising to a level justifying execution,
and where does it end? If this "law and order," messaging is not rational, are political dissidents or losing political candidates at increasing risk of investigation and prosecution?
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What an idiotic concept.
I think I'm starting to see what Trump's vision of America is. Isolationism, a wall on the southern border, expand capital punishment, Trump wants America to be more like North Korea. Think he'll smile extra wide when he shakes Kim's hand?

Seriously, isn't the death penalty just a Muslim thing nowadays? And some Asian places...
 
Re: Rational?: U.S. chief LEO urges broader capital punishment but insisted DOJ, FBI, Judiciary bias

post said:
....not to mention he habitually accuses the most prominent print and electronic news media of lying, reporting fake news.
If you find the rhetoric of the president resonating as coherent, reasonable, especially with regard to his praise/citing of China dictator
Xi, (and extrajudicial policies of Duterte, Erdogan, and Putin) as he urges expansion of capital punishment, an irrevocable punishment determined
by the same investigative and judicial authorities he has declared unreliable, untrustworthy, corrupt, please share why this makes sense to you.
IOW, if the news media is by and large, fake, and the judges, investigators, and prosecutors biased to the degree this president repeatedly accuses
them of being, how does he expect there will be transparency and accountability as to determination of guilt rising to a level justifying execution,
and where does it end? If this "law and order," messaging is not rational, are political dissidents or losing political candidates at increasing risk of investigation and prosecution?
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I don't know why that should come as a surprise.

Twump in an emotionally retarded, BPD man-boy whose entire life revolves around emotion, fantasies and lashing out to try and appear either tough, intelligent or both.

He is a profoundly stupid person.
 
Always go to the source:

This is the clip from the first reference used when WaPo says "Trump again calls for the death penalty for drug dealers."



Nowhere in this clip does Mr. Trump "call for the death penalty for drug dealers," he states that other countries have tougher laws regarding drug dealers who are killing thousands of people a year selling (bad) drugs.

He only suggests we should be tougher on bad drug dealers.

Now we get to the recent rally WaPo is talking about:



Again, Mr. Trump does not "call for the death penalty," but rather "suggests" we need to be tougher when penalizing drug dealers with a history of sales leading to thousands of deaths.

IMO he is talking about the major dealers who smuggle drugs into the nation, but he could also be talking about street dealers who have no compunction about cutting the product with whatever they think will allow them to double or triple the amount they bought into street sales...like baby powder, flour, comet cleanser, etc.

I support making drug use and possession legal...I'd still like to see some control over dealing to make sure people are not buying death with their purchases.
 
Captain Adverse,

Two things are inarguable. He has a long advocacy for capital punishment. He is manipulative, slippery, irrational.

President Trump Suggests Executing Drug Dealers | Time
By TESSA BERENSON March 1, 2018
President Trump suggested executing drug dealers to crack down on America’s opioid crisis.

“The drug dealers, the drug pushers, they’re really doing damage,” Trump said at an opioid event at the White House Thursday. “Some countries have a very, very tough penalty — the ultimate penalty. And by the way, they have much less of a drug problem than we do.”

“If you shoot one person, they give you life, they give you the death penalty,” Trump said. “These people can kill 2,000, 3,000 people, and nothing happens to them.”

Trump comments came days after Axios reported that he had been privately praising Singapore’s mandatory death penalty for drug trafficking offenses.
https://www.axios.com/exclusive-tru...170-402cc386-8729-4684-a7ef-a5bf31876afa.html
Jonathan Swan Feb 25
....But the president doesn't just joke about it. According to five sources who've spoken with Trump about the subject, he often leaps into a passionate speech about how drug dealers are as bad as serial killers and should all get the death penalty.....
[h=3]Remarks by President Trump at the White House ... - WhiteHouse.gov[/h]https://www.whitehouse.gov/.../remarks-president-trump-white-house-opioids-summit/


Mar 1, 2018 - The drug dealers, the drug pushers are — they're really doing damage. They're really doing damage. Some countries have a very, very tough penalty — the ultimate penalty. And, by the way, they have much less of a drug problem than we do. So we're going to have to be very strong on penalties. Hopefully ..
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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/opinion/why-trump-doubled-down-on-the-central-park-five.html
By SARAH BURNS OCT. 17, 2016
Donald J. Trump rarely apologizes. When it comes to the case of the Central Park
Five, he has never even come close.
In 1989, after these black and Latino teenagers from Harlem were accused of
assaulting and raping a white woman in Central Park, Mr. Trump spent $85,000
placing full-page ads in the four daily papers in New York City, calling for the return
of the death penalty.
“Muggers and murderers,” he wrote, “should be forced to suffer and, when they
kill, they should be executed for their crimes.” Though he didn’t refer to the
teenagers by name, it was clear to anyone in the city that he was referring to them.
Incredibly, 14 years after their sentences were vacated based on DNA evidence
and the detailed and accurate confession of a serial rapist named Matias Reyes, Mr.
Trump has doubled down.
“They admitted they were guilty,” he said in a statement to CNN this month.
“The police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. The fact that that
case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous.”
Mr. Trump is apparently ignorant of our country’s epidemic of wrongful convictions,
which disproportionately affect minorities, and the prevalence of false confessions in
those convictions......
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Captain Adverse,

Two things are inarguable. He has a long advocacy for capital punishment. He is manipulative, slippery, irrational.
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Aside from being wrong (i.e. the "inarguable" point), and a matter of opinion (i.e. the "manipulative, slippery, irrational" point), your response is irrelevant to the topic you opened.

At no time during either speech did he either "urge broader capital punishment" as your thread title states, or "suggest capital punishment" as WaPo is trying to push.

THAT is what is "inarguable" for this issue at this point in time.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Aside from being wrong (i.e. the "inarguable" point), and a matter of opinion (i.e. the "manipulative, slippery, irrational" point), your response is irrelevant to the topic you opened.

At no time during either speech did he either "urge broader capital punishment" as your thread title states, or "suggest capital punishment" as WaPo is trying to push.

THAT is what is "inarguable" for this issue at this point in time.
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When you praise a series of authoritarian countries that impose the death penalty on drug dealers, laud the fact these penalties work, then compare the penalty for drugs (which he lies about and says don't garner significant jail time when we have jails and prisons chock full of drug dealers), to the death penalty for murder, then it's inarguable that he's "suggesting" support for the death penalty for drug dealers.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Aside from being wrong (i.e. the "inarguable" point), and a matter of opinion (i.e. the "manipulative, slippery, irrational" point), your response is irrelevant to the topic you opened.

At no time during either speech did he either "urge broader capital punishment" as your thread title states, or "suggest capital punishment" as WaPo is trying to push.

THAT is what is "inarguable" for this issue at this point in time.
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I expect you understand his manipulation. Why you are carrying water for him and his long in the tooth, disingenuous device, via your replies here, is a different question. Our president is not stupid and he poses the most formidable threat facing our country since early in 1942.
If your responses here actually are sincere, they reinforce the degree of the threat he is realizing, even to those who he has conned.

'Believe me': People say Trump's language is affecting political discourse 'bigly'
'Believe me': People say Trump's language is affecting political discourse 'bigly'
By LISA MASCARO
SEP 12, 2016
......People say…
One of Trump's signature constructs comes when he's about to say something controversial — even conspiratorial — but wants to lean on others to do it.

"Many people are saying that the Iranians killed the scientist who helped the U.S. because of Hillary Clinton's hacked emails," Trump tweeted last month, though such a conspiracy theory was easily debunked.

After the Orlando nightclub shooting, Trump implied President Obama did not want to stop terrorists, but tried to take cover by putting the offensive remark in the mouths of others. "There are a lot of people that think maybe he doesn't want to get it," Trump said on the "Today" show. "A lot of people think maybe he doesn't want to know about it."

The "people say" construct allows him to float an idea without taking full ownership or blame.

"What he's doing is making use of principles that people use all day every day — to get across ideas that are not true," Lakoff said.

Trump dismissed criticism that he linked rival Sen. Ted Cruz's father to President Kennedy's assassination, insisting he was only pointing to a National Enquirer story about the elder Cruz allegedly meeting with Lee Harvey Oswald.

This Trump style, too, has found a home on social media. One band in Texas tweeted recently: "Many people are saying our next album will heal the sick and end all war. It's just what many people are saying.".......

https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkacz...-despite-cam?utm_term=.dodxWv8ndw#.qylPaqAQ36
The campaign statement is false: Trump didn't stop questioning President Obama's birth certificate in 2011.

Posted on September 16, 2016,
.......
"Well, I don't know — did he do it?" Trump said. "If I decide to run for office I’ll produce my tax returns. Absolutely. I would love to do that. I did produce a financial statement even though I wasn't even running. I did produce a financial statement and it was shocking to some because it was so much higher than people thought possible."

"The president should come clean," Trump added about Obama in the 2014 interview. "He should have come clean over the years. If you remember the very famous story where I offered him $5 million if he showed some basic records and he never took me up on it. And that would be for charity. So charities would have benefited and it would have been a great thing."

"But he is a citizen and he produced that long form birth certificate," host Fitzpatrick said.

"Well, a lot of people don't agree with you and a lot of people feel it wasn't a proper certificate," Trump said......
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I expect you understand his manipulation. Why you are carrying water for him and his long in the tooth, disingenuous device, via your replies here, is a different question. Our president is not stupid and he poses the most formidable threat facing our country since early in 1942.
If your responses here actually are sincere, they reinforce the degree of the threat he is realizing, even to those who he has conned.
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Your entire post is fallacious, but I won't spend time parsing it out for you.

Tagline time. :coffeepap:
 
JasperL said:
When you praise a series of authoritarian countries that impose the death penalty on drug dealers, laud the fact these penalties work, then compare the penalty for drugs (which he lies about and says don't garner significant jail time when we have jails and prisons chock full of drug dealers), to the death penalty for murder, then it's inarguable that he's "suggesting" support for the death penalty for drug dealers.
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Only if, as in your case, you take the most extreme viewpoint possible based on assumption bias. :shrug:
 
IMO Trump keeps throwing out authoritarian solutions to see what the reaction will be.....like Bob Dylan sang, "you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows..." Kinda like wetting your finger and putting it into the prevailing wind.
 
Trump would likely call for the death penalty for anything he could dream up.

Trump is a soul less individual, completely self absorbed, lacking self control, and with an appetite to control everyone, even when he has no control of himself. Trump has demonstarted nearly constant praise for authoritarian figures, for dictators, and Trump no doubt would love to be 'America's dictator.'

So, what binds dictators across history and geography? What traits do they share? To begin with, let's examine the general characteristics of psychopaths. They are usually charming, charismatic, and intelligent. They brim with self-confidence and independence, and exude sexual energy. They are also extremely self-absorbed, masterful liars, compassionless, often sadistic, and possess a boundless appetite for power. These are just a few of the character traits present in a genuine psychopath.

That my fellow DPers is a real picture of your current POTUS; congratulations ..........
 
JasperL said:
When you praise a series of authoritarian countries that impose the death penalty on drug dealers, laud the fact these penalties work, then compare the penalty for drugs (which he lies about and says don't garner significant jail time when we have jails and prisons chock full of drug dealers), to the death penalty for murder, then it's inarguable that he's "suggesting" support for the death penalty for drug dealers.
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correct but then some humans are just too ****ing stupid to see the forest because of the trees ........
 
Captain Adverse said:
Only if, as in your case, you take the most extreme viewpoint possible based on assumption bias. :shrug:
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LOL, "extreme viewpoint....." Maybe you're the one with the 'assumption bias' given your Trump support. :doh

FWIW, I don't care what Trump thinks about the death penalty for drug dealers, because it's not happening. The worrisome thing about his speeches is how often he praises without reservation authoritarian regimes, some of them that have abandoned even the pretense of respect for rule of law or civil rights.
 
The worrisome thing is the lengths an appreciative percentage of the 42 percent supporting him are willing to go
to postpone by less than ten years the inevitable date when there ceases to be a caucasian majority. They'll still be
their misinformed, fear driven selves long after their fear driven pox on all our houses, the con-daddy is reduced by aging to irrelevance. Read the Wikipedia article on denazification if what I described is unclear to you. The con in the white house
is a canary in the coal mine informing that a surprising number of fellow Americans are unAmerican.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Always go to the source:

This is the clip from the first reference used when WaPo says "Trump again calls for the death penalty for drug dealers."



Nowhere in this clip does Mr. Trump "call for the death penalty for drug dealers," he states that other countries have tougher laws regarding drug dealers who are killing thousands of people a year selling (bad) drugs.

He only suggests we should be tougher on bad drug dealers.

Now we get to the recent rally WaPo is talking about:



Again, Mr. Trump does not "call for the death penalty," but rather "suggests" we need to be tougher when penalizing drug dealers with a history of sales leading to thousands of deaths.

IMO he is talking about the major dealers who smuggle drugs into the nation, but he could also be talking about street dealers who have no compunction about cutting the product with whatever they think will allow them to double or triple the amount they bought into street sales...like baby powder, flour, comet cleanser, etc.

I support making drug use and possession legal...I'd still like to see some control over dealing to make sure people are not buying death with their purchases.
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Trump compared the US drug problem to countries that execute drug dealers and addicts. So if he wasn't alluding to handling the US drug problem the same way then why did he make the comparison?

In this country, the major drug dealers are doctors and they are in fact killing tens of thousands of people.
 
Grand Mal said:
What an idiotic concept.
I think I'm starting to see what Trump's vision of America is. Isolationism, a wall on the southern border, expand capital punishment, Trump wants America to be more like North Korea. Think he'll smile extra wide when he shakes Kim's hand?

Seriously, isn't the death penalty just a Muslim thing nowadays? And some Asian places...
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More of an Islamist thing, like it is more of an American conservatism thing. All right-wing, yet in total denial of themselves and cut from the same ignorant cloth.
 
Well he hasn't ruled out inviting In to the WH...
 
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