A companion poll, Do you want sexual orientation to be nationally protected from discrimination?

Nap said:

There are quite a few jerks, I just don't feel there is a need to regulate every little instance. If people don't like how someone operates a business, then don't shop there. I don't see why this is such a hard concept especially in modern society where you can purchase items from around the world and have it shipped to your house. The idea that certain people will not be able to purchase what they need or want in this age is completely separated from reality.

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If that was the sole or even main argument that would make sense but since its not it really doesn't. You understand this is about peoples RIGHTS correct? The issue is violating peoples rights and illegal discrimination. Do those things not matter to you? What other crimes or rights violations would you suggest be handled with your logic? if you dont like that they sexually harass just quite, if you dont like you were assaulted just dont go there no more, you were robbed? dont walk down that alley no more etc. Peoples rights tend to matter to them a little more than that and if people went by your logic minorities and women would probably still be treated as lessers. Now im not saying you feel that way but im asking why in this case rights dont seem to matter to you and when they do matter?

Nap said:

There are quite a few jerks, I just don't feel there is a need to regulate every little instance. If people don't like how someone operates a business, then don't shop there. I don't see why this is such a hard concept especially in modern society where you can purchase items from around the world and have it shipped to your house. The idea that certain people will not be able to purchase what they need or want in this age is completely separated from reality.

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I agree. The government doesn't need to be involved. However, like I stated before, these business should be made to openly state and display if they are going to refuse someone's business so that people know who they are. If a person doesn't want to sell their goods to someone it should be their right to refuse to do business.

I do not think that refusing to sell goods or services is violating a right. I do not believe that a person has the right to force a business owner to sell them their goods.

Kreton said:

1.)I agree. The government doesn't need to be involved.
2.) However, like I stated before, these business should be made to openly state and display if they are going to refuse someone's business so that people know who they are. 3.) If a person doesn't want to sell their goods to someone it should be their right to refuse to do business.

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1.) its the governments job to protect rights. just because you don't care about right doesn't mean the government should be involved.
2.) signs arent an excuse for breaking the law or violating somebody rights. where else would you apply that logic? if you walk down this alley you will be robbed?
3.) They already have that right they just cant infringe on the rights of others. Are you from america?

AGENT J said:

1.) its the governments job to protect rights. just because you don't care about right doesn't mean the government should be involved.
2.) signs arent an excuse for breaking the law or violating somebody rights. where else would you apply that logic? if you walk down this alley you will be robbed?
3.) They already have that right they just cant infringe on the rights of others. Are you from america?

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I have already stated I am not interested in debate when you cannot be honest. If you want to admit and stop with the blatant lies I'll gladly continue in discussion. Until that time I will just keep copying and pasting this when you quote me in this thread.

Kreton said:

1.) have already stated I am not interested in debate when you cannot be honest.
2.) If you want to admit and stop with the blatant lies I'll gladly continue in discussion.
3.) Until that time I will just keep copying and pasting this when you quote me in this thread.

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1.) what debate? im pointing out facts. If that bothers you change your stance on rights and care about them
2.) ill GLADLY admit any lie if you or ANYBODY could prove one but you cant, give it your best shot you will completely fail
3.) fine by me fact remains you dont care about peoples rights and thats proven by your won words. Posting lies about that fact wont change it. But if you disagree by all means please let us know when you can back up your proven lie and prove otherwise, thanks!

AGENT J said:

1.) what debate? im pointing out facts. If that bothers you change your stance on rights and care about them
2.) ill GLADLY admit any lie if you or ANYBODY could prove one but you cant, give it your best shot you will completely fail
3.) fine by me fact remains you dont care about peoples rights and thats proven by your won words. Posting lies about that fact wont change it. But if you disagree by all means please let us know when you can back up your proven lie and prove otherwise, thanks!

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I have already stated I am not interested in debate when you cannot be honest. If you want to admit and stop with the blatant lies I'll gladly continue in discussion. Until that time I will just keep copying and pasting this when you quote me in this thread.

Kreton said:

1.) have already stated I am not interested in debate when you cannot be honest.
2.) If you want to admit and stop with the blatant lies I'll gladly continue in discussion.
3.) Until that time I will just keep copying and pasting this when you quote me in this thread.

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1.) what debate? im pointing out facts. If that bothers you change your stance on rights and care about them
2.) ill GLADLY admit any lie if you or ANYBODY could prove one but you cant, give it your best shot you will completely fail
3.) fine by me fact remains you dont care about peoples rights and thats proven by your won words. Posting lies about that fact wont change it. But if you disagree by all means please let us know when you can back up your proven lie and prove otherwise, thanks!

AGENT J said:

If that was the sole or even main argument that would make sense but since its not it really doesn't. You understand this is about peoples RIGHTS correct? The issue is violating peoples rights and illegal discrimination. Do those things not matter to you? What other crimes or rights violations would you suggest be handled with your logic? if you dont like that they sexually harass just quite, if you dont like you were assaulted just dont go there no more, you were robbed? dont walk down that alley no more etc. Peoples rights tend to matter to them a little more than that and if people went by your logic minorities and women would probably still be treated as lessers. Now im not saying you feel that way but im asking why in this case rights dont seem to matter to you and when they do matter?

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What about the rights of the people to free association? I don't believe it is the responsibility of the government to force people to not be assholes. In my opinion, If someone refuses to provide service to you, your rights have not been violated. However I believe the government forcing someone to provide service against their will is a violation.

AGENT J said:

1.) its the governments job to protect rights. just because you don't care about right doesn't mean the government should be involved.
2.) signs arent an excuse for breaking the law or violating somebody rights. where else would you apply that logic? if you walk down this alley you will be robbed?
3.) They already have that right they just cant infringe on the rights of others. Are you from america?

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Why you believe people should be obligated to provide service to you?

If I am a Christian book writer, should I be able to force an atheist to provide his voice acting service even though he does not wish to do So?

Should a Doctor that believes abortion to be murder be forced to provide that service if he wants to be in the medical field?

You seem to like the idea of slavery and forced servitude. Personally, I feel that people should be allowed to be free and use enter into voluntary transactions but I guess that is just too much to ask of our new slave masters.

I agree as long as white males get to become a protected class too.

Peter King said:

A companion poll to Agent J's poll about Sexual Orientation, and how long before its nationally protected from discrimination.

That poll has to do with when people think sexual orientation will be nationally protected from discrimination.

So here goes the other question, do people want that to happen and what should be included?

Should governments be allowed or not be allowed to discriminate based on sexual orientation? Should a bookshop? Should a supermarket or restaurant/housing company/insurance be allowed to discriminate?

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I simply want people to quit thinking they are important enough to make others live according to their opinions.

Sex, Abortion, God.....whatever.

Nap said:

1.)What about the rights of the people to free association?
2.) I don't believe it is the responsibility of the government to force people to not be assholes.
3.)In my opinion, If someone refuses to provide service to you, your rights have not been violated.
4.)However I believe the government forcing someone to provide service against their will is a violation.

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1.) what about them? I fully believe in them and they arent violated in anyway. Nobody is forcing any of us to open a particular type of business that operates unde the rules it does. They are free to CHOOSE that decision themselves.
2.) me neither but thats not what is going on here either. Do you consider rape or sexual assault or theft laws to be the government forcing people to not be assholes? of course not because that would be a totally intellectually dishonest description of the law just like you are doing now. this has nothign to do with stopping people from being assholes.
3.) well many laws and court caes etc disagree with you and prove your opinion wrong.
4.) i agree that would be, but again nobody is being forced. see #1

Nap said:

1.)Why you believe people should be obligated to provide service to you?
2.)If I am a Christian book writer, should I be able to force an atheist to provide his voice acting service even though he does not wish to do So?
3.)Should a Doctor that believes abortion to be murder be forced to provide that service if he wants to be in the medical field?
4.)You seem to like the idea of slavery and forced servitude.
5.) Personally, I feel that people should be allowed to be free and use enter into voluntary transactions but I guess that is just too much to ask of our new slave masters.

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1.) I dont and they are not
2.) what? sorry youll have to explain that better i dont understand what you are asking
3.) what doctors do abortions who arent abortion doctors? that doesnt really make sense?
4.) well since theres factually no force in the actual topic being discussed your claim falls flat on its face
5.) they already are as long as they dont break the laws and regulations they AGREED TO when they CHOOSE to open up a certain type of buinsess and they dont infringe on the rights of other. (rights you seem not to care about) All that has nothing to do with slavery LMAO but nice try. a failure but nice try. Any claims of slavery will never be taken serious by anybody topically educated honest and objective. They will just be mocked for the nonsense they are.

How retarded would a person have to be to CHOOSE to open up a public access business, AGREE to the the rules that govern that business. Then CHOOSE to sell a product they FEEL they dont want to sell to everybody and CHOOSE to break the law, the agreement and infringe peoples rights by illegally discriminant against them and then cry foul? or "slavery" LMAO it takes a special type of idiot to do that or a HUGE bigot that is so stupid or proud of their bigotry that they dont even realize they could of found a way to do it legally or simply CHOOSE a different type of business.

jdog21 said:

I agree as long as white males get to become a protected class too.

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White? well somewhere in white is a race, color, ethnicity and or orgin so that is a protected class
Male? is a gender, that too is a protected class

Are you not from america? do you not know how our rights and laws work?

Reformedfindlay said:

I take it by food you mean something like stop and shop, shop rite, etc. as opposed to a restaurant?

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I'd include restaurants as being vital services for the simple fact that not everyone has the capability to cook their own food, like those that are homeless. Sometimes restaurants are their sole source of food if they can panhandle enough money.

jdog21 said:

I agree as long as white males get to become a protected class too.

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They already are and have been since both race (white included) and sex (male included, even cisgender males) are protected against discrimination.