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Who will do the best job at draining the swamp?

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Trump made a big deal out of "draining the swamp" during the election.

So who do you believe will do the best job at draining the swamp in DC?

Trump or Mueller?


Sorry...forgot to add the poll,:lamo
 
Add a third option... “anyone else.”
 
Add a third option... “anyone else.”
I was thinking "voters"

But they seem to be adept at filling it as well....so that may just be a zero sum game.
 
Trump made a big deal out of "draining the swamp" during the election.

So who do you believe will do the best job at draining the swamp in DC?

Trump or Mueller?


Sorry...forgot to add the poll,:lamo

What makes you think Mueller is even trying to drain the swamp?

Perhaps you should first define what you think "drain the swamp" means and then compare it to what Trump means by "drain the swamp". If the two concepts turn out to be the same, then we can see whether Trump and Mueller are actually working to drain the swamp.

Then...your question could be asked.
 
Trump made a big deal out of "draining the swamp" during the election.

So who do you believe will do the best job at draining the swamp in DC?

Trump or Mueller?


Sorry...forgot to add the poll,:lamo

Mueller, obviously.
 
They are both swamp creatures.
 
The swamp ain’t going anywhere.
 
Trump made a big deal out of "draining the swamp" during the election.

So who do you believe will do the best job at draining the swamp in DC?

Trump or Mueller?


Sorry...forgot to add the poll,:lamo

Mueller, I'll guess, if my choice is only those two. Trump is comfortable in the swamp and he's making it even swampier. Time will tell what Mueller does and finds.
 
Mueller, I'll guess, if my choice is only those two. Trump is comfortable in the swamp and he's making it even swampier. Time will tell what Mueller does and finds.

His business acumen is showing....he fills the swamp and drains it....fills it again......

He is creating the need for his services. Kind of like a cardiologist with a McDonalds in the waiting room.
 
I was thinking "voters"

But they seem to be adept at filling it as well....so that may just be a zero sum game.

That was the intent of the founders but there are only 536 elected federal officials in DC (but you can only vote for or against 4 of them) with of thousands of swamp critters paying them (and their assigns) quite well to do their bidding. That, of course, ignores the massive power accorded to appointed or career "pubic servant" swamp critters in various executive departments, agencies and programs.
 
Trump made a big deal out of "draining the swamp" during the election.

So who do you believe will do the best job at draining the swamp in DC?

Trump or Mueller?

Ted Nugent would be my next choice for Disruptor in Chief. Disrupt at will, my man!!!!

:bomb:
 
Trump made a big deal out of "draining the swamp" during the election.

So who do you believe will do the best job at draining the swamp in DC?

Trump or Mueller?


Sorry...forgot to add the poll,:lamo

Neither. Both parties will clearly do everything in their power to stop Trump or anyone else trying to eliminate the corruption that is the foundation of both our parties. Mueller is not stupid enough try. He is in charge of stopping Trump from doing it and works for both corrupt parties.
 
Trump made a big deal out of "draining the swamp" during the election.

So who do you believe will do the best job at draining the swamp in DC?

Trump or Mueller?


Sorry...forgot to add the poll,:lamo
I think both are too close to the swamp to correctly place the drains necessary.

Mueller is just scooping a bit of scum off the top at the moment.
It remains to be seen whether via analysis of that scum he can determine where to take a few buckets out.
 
Neither. Both parties will clearly do everything in their power to stop Trump or anyone else trying to eliminate the corruption that is the foundation of both our parties. Mueller is not stupid enough try. He is in charge of stopping Trump from doing it and works for both corrupt parties.

Trump is easily as corrupt as the demorepub machine turned up to 11. His only interests are 1) padding his ego, 2) padding his family's fortune. He's doing a pretty good job on both fronts. And the "swamp" just has more oligarchs in it thanks to him. No draining has happened. That whole idea was campaign B.S. like Mexico buying him a wall.
 
You can't drain the swamp. So the right answer is no one will drain the swamp. Big government and 24/7 intrusion into private lives is permanent. Money in politics is permanent. The swamp is permanent.
 
Trump is part of the swamp. Even before he got elected. Mueller might be able to stick a bucket in the swamp and throw out a bit of the water but the swamp will be refilled with more swamp water.
 
Trump made a big deal out of "draining the swamp" during the election.

So who do you believe will do the best job at draining the swamp in DC?

Trump or Mueller?


Sorry...forgot to add the poll,:lamo

Mueller for sure. Trump has replaced the swamp with a festering cesspool.
 
Me!

Clearly.
 
Trump made a big deal out of "draining the swamp" during the election.

So who do you believe will do the best job at draining the swamp in DC?

Trump or Mueller?


Sorry...forgot to add the poll,:lamo

Laugh all you want but voters voted for Trump because they wanted the swamp drained. If Mueller takes down the entire Trump team, it doesn't change the fact that the swamp is still there.
 
Uhm, well not Trump, the guy who seems to be enlarging the swamp. The Trump Family crime syndicate need there own extension to that swamp. Roll on Nov 2018!! Seems like a good day for some draining.
 
To drain a swamp you must remove the water which inundates it. Removing some or all of the creatures which reside in it does not drain the swamp. New creatures will simply move in. In the metaphorical swamp of the Washington Belt-way, the 'water' inundating the territory is money. Remove the money and the swamp will dry up. Remove the creatures without removing the money and more will migrate to exploit the lucrative niche. Neither Meuller nor President Trump is draining the money so neither is really draining the swamp. Meuller is stalking and hunting some swampy apex predators and President Trump is attracting and restocking more of such predators to the swamp community. It's the kabuki theatre of power, playing out for public consumption and diversion while purposefully avoiding the real problem, the money inundation.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Mueller for sure. Trump has replaced the swamp with a festering cesspool.
Trump just changed the flavor and sprinkled a bit of orange zest on top.
 
Trump made a big deal out of "draining the swamp" during the election.

So who do you believe will do the best job at draining the swamp in DC?

Trump or Mueller?


Sorry...forgot to add the poll,:lamo

Other people will have to drain the swamp, Trump was just adding his own buddies to the already existing swamp. They did not improve things for the US public, they just improved it for their side of the swamp. The rest of the US and the rest of the swamp was left almost completely alone.

Draining the swamp will have to start with ending big business campaign "funding" and forcing members of the house to get elected every 2 years. Leave them there for 4 years, elect them together with the president and also have senate members run ever 4 years. Stop big business and special interest (and yes, that includes unions, I am not singling out groups supporting the GOP but want it to end for all of the political world). Give each candidate a set amount of money of which he cannot campaign (based on the number of people they represent, to give an Idaho senator who runs in a state with few people just as much money as a senator who runs in say California or Texas is just nonsense, that Californian/Texan has to reach many more people so has to spend more money to make them get their message across).

Only allow television campaign videos for a set number of hours each campaign. Every campaign can choose when they want to televise campaign videos but cannot go over a certain number of hours. The same with radio adds IMHO. Internet can do what it wants as long as people can choose to opt out of those videos.

No dark money and fake money in outside campaign funds to buy more TV time or radio time. Have several live televised campaign meetings for each candidate and have 6 debates for each campaign on local or state television and nothing more. People should not be overtaxed with political adds but with targeted adds for some regions.

No more buying elections, no more groups spending money to defeat candidates they do not like. And no candidate can run more than 3 times, so 12 years and you are of running for a specific office. Now you can choose to then run for a higher or lower office but not again for the same office. The status quo of people sitting in a seat of power for decades also has to be ended.

Sorry, but wide reaching campaign changes and even wider reaching lobbying changes are the only way to defeat the swamp.

These things I mention are completely written to the US situation. In my country stuff like this is not needed. Campaigns here on television last about 6 weeks or so. People usually do not sit their whole lives in a congress and do not have to spend countless hours of their times to get campaign funds and do campaign events, they spend their times doing what is needed, govern and spend times in parliament to work towards solving issues and not in letting the status quo remain because that is something that feeds the swamp time and time again.

In all reality the US house of representatives and the senate are swamps in which each member has carved out his own patch of the swamp, some are deeper into the swamp as others but everybody gets his feet wet in that swamp to some degree.

Just my observation from watching and following the US electoral system and those of Germany, the UK, the Netherlands and Belgium. And while it is highly ineffective and corrupting being in that swamp, at least you are not Belgians, because they have a quicksand rather than a swamp ;) :lol:
 
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