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Deal or no deal: Healthcare

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So heres the deal. Hospitals will no longer be forced to comply with current federal healthcare regulations but nonprofit and public hospitals that do will be covered in single payer (private, for profit hospitals are not elegible to prevent them from jacking up prices). The rest will be subject to the free market. Single payer hospitals will be subject to the same standards as before but free market hospitals. All prescription drugs are now readily over the counter. Because there is now a single payer system, all regulations on health insurance will be removed.

In short, there will be two systems: single payer and complete free market. In case you think that single payer would bankrupt the country, the federal government spent $1.17 trillion on the current healthcare system (medicare, medicaid, etc) in 2017. The projected cost of single payer if it was the only system varies but it varies between 1.4 trillion and 3.5 trillion. In 2016, a total of $9,892 was spent on healthcare, the most for any country. Multiplied by the total population, we get a total of almost $3.2 trillion. However, that cost includes health insurance which would not be needed under the new system and with all prescription drugs now available over the counter, that would put down the cost even further.

Cost of current health system:
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/analysis/2016/president-obamas-2017-budget/

cost of single payer:
Bernie Sanders' last 'Medicare for all' plan cost nearly $1.4 trillion - Sep. 12, 2017 - $1.4 trillion
How expensive would a single-payer system be? | PolitiFact $2.4 trillion, 2.5 trillion, or 2.8 trillion
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...r-plan-is-a-singularly-bad-idea/#2fbb33405502 -$3.2-3.5 trillion (if the entire health industry were covered by federal tax dollars)
 
Nope - if all prescription drugs became OTC then what could possibly go wrong? ;)
 
Setting aside the prescription drug thingie it almost sounds like Canada.
IN CANADA:

If you broke your nose in a fall, you get patched up for free.
If you broke your nose in a car accident, free.
Bar fight, free.

Any of the above and more, and you need cosmetic surgery so that you can breathe proper after you're healed up, again...FREE.

If you need cosmetic surgery because you don't like the way your nose looks, you are going to have to go to the free market clinic and pay.

If you need prescription drugs because of your broken nose: FREE.
If you need prescription drugs because your nose hurts after your free market cosmetic surgery: YOU PAY.

PS: It's also pretty much the same model in the VA Health care system if you're a veteran with a service connected disability between 65 and 100 percent, too. (I might be off a little on the percent. I think it's 65%)

If you want cosmetic surgery to make yourself look better, you take your TriCare card out into the world and get cosmetic surgery and TriCare pays part of it and you pay the rest.

If your service connected disability is under 65% or whatever the cutoff is, you pay SOME co-pay amounts. But big ticket stuff is covered anyway.

If you can convince the social worker and psychologist to tell your VA doctor that cosmetic surgery would help maintain your mental outlook, it might be free, depending on what kind of cosmetic surgery it is.
My wife's teeth were destroyed by some of her meds that she had to take early on in the course of her MS, so her doctor, psychologist and social worker got her the cosmetic dentristry she needed for free because it helped her overall mental outlook.
In other words, she could SMILE again without looking like a homeless hag.
She'd spent four years taking pictures where she could not give a full smile because her teeth looked really bad.

After the surgery, lots of big happy smiles and it did make a difference.
 
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Setting aside the prescription drug thingie it almost sounds like Canada.
IN CANADA:

If you broke your nose in a fall, you get patched up for free.
If you broke your nose in a car accident, free.
Bar fight, free.

Any of the above and more, and you need cosmetic surgery so that you can breathe proper after you're healed up, again...FREE.

If you need cosmetic surgery because you don't like the way your nose looks, you are going to have to go to the free market clinic and pay.

If you need prescription drugs because of your broken nose: FREE.
If you need prescription drugs because your nose hurts after your free market cosmetic surgery: YOU PAY.

You could not be more wrong. It is not “FREE” someone is paying for it.
 
You could not be more wrong. It is not “FREE” someone is paying for it.

Knock it off, you know what I meant.
I meant there is no out of pocket expense or a BILL.
You will not be bankrupted.
Yes, of course it comes out of your taxes you annoying PEDANT.
 
Cue "taxation is THEFT" screeching fit in three, two, one....
 
Knock it off, you know what I meant.
I meant there is no out of pocket expense or a BILL.
You will not be bankrupted.
Yes, of course it comes out of your taxes you annoying PEDANT.

What, are you some TV ad that can’t be challenged for false claims? B.S. like that misleads people into thinking it’s really free.

You doth protest too much. Lol.
 
What, are you some TV ad that can’t be challenged for false claims? B.S. like that misleads people into thinking it’s really free.

You doth protest too much. Lol.
No, he's saying that your point is pointless.

We all know the government is paying for it, and the government is funded by taxes.
Obviously it's not "free", but to the individual with the health issue, it doesn't cause significant negative impact on their personal finances, because the cost is spread over everyone by the method of payment.
At the moment we have people avoiding healthcare because of the cost.
 
No, he's saying that your point is pointless.

We all know the government is paying for it, and the government is funded by taxes.
Obviously it's not "free", but to the individual with the health issue, it doesn't cause significant negative impact on their personal finances, because the cost is spread over everyone by the method of payment.
At the moment we have people avoiding healthcare because of the cost.

I’m not so sure people actually understand that. If they did they would understand that medical cost can not be contained by making them free, especially if you have open borders and lax immigration enforcement. There aren’t enough dollars to go around. What percentage of your income are you willing to pay for my care?
 
What, are you some TV ad that can’t be challenged for false claims? B.S. like that misleads people into thinking it’s really free.

You doth protest too much. Lol.

No, I'm Checkers, the guy who is saying that your Captain Obvious act makes you sound like an annoying pedant, because any nine year old who even studied the My Weekly Reader explanation of single payer health care in most typical first world Western countries already understands that it is funded by taxes.

If someone read my post and actually thought it was free, as in "ZERO COST" whatsoever, that person would be judged as mentally retarded or an idiot savant.

So, you get the award for protecting the Rain Man segment of the population, now take your medal and leave the stage.

 
I’m not so sure people actually understand that. If they did they would understand that medical cost can not be contained by making them free, especially if you have open borders and lax immigration enforcement. There aren’t enough dollars to go around. What percentage of your income are you willing to pay for my care?
There ARE enough dollars to go around.

I'm not sure how much.
I'd probably say anywhere up to 25% of my income for healthcare costs, if everyone paid that much, for example.

But I seriously doubt that amount will be required - probably 10-15% at most.

And since I don't have to spend anything directly on my own healthcare costs, I actually save money.
 
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