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Is "Civil Disobedience" a legitimate tool to effect government change?

Is "Civil Disobedience" a legitimate tool to effect government change?

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Tigerace117 said:
Patently untrue, historically untrue, and given that that racism was based on Jim Crow laws and those who didn’t follow them were punished, legally untrue as well.

The same place where it says no state can make a law discriminating against Americans on the basis of race, etc.
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Be specific. Does the Constitution say that individuals cannot discriminate?
 
phattonez said:
So, the South African government is openly targeting white farms for confiscation and even white genocide. And you mock even bringing it up. Got it.
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You poor victim.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Except criminals today are caught and punished; criminals back then killed with impunity. A “lower crime rate” where criminals easily got away with crimes is not a justice system; it’s a joke.

Standing up for your rights under the constitution is not “outrageous”; hell, even in South Africa it’s more a case of payback being a bitch than anything else.

It justifies Nazis being crushed back into their holes and never, ever, being let out again.
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So you think that South African farmers who are being murdered en masse deserve it. That speaks volumes.
 
phattonez said:
Be specific. Does the Constitution say that individuals cannot discriminate?
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The Constitution, as I stated before, states that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

As racist pricks used state law to justify their hatred, it therefore falls under the category of a law, and thus is unconstitutional
 
phattonez said:
So you think that South African farmers who are being murdered en masse deserve it. That speaks volumes.
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Yes, it speaks volumes that you can’t grasp the fact that violently oppressing people for decades catches up to you.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The Constitution, as I stated before, states that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

As racist pricks used state law to justify their hatred, it therefore falls under the category of a law, and thus is unconstitutional
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So you're saying that the Constitution doesn't allow private businesses to discriminate? What was the point of the Civil Rights Act, then?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, it speaks volumes that you can’t grasp the fact that violently oppressing people for decades catches up to you.
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Another one who thinks that whites deserve genocide. How interesting.
 
phattonez said:
Another one who thinks that whites deserve genocide. How interesting.
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Another who fantasizes that anything short of a white supremacist ****hole leads to "white genocide". How interesting.
 
phattonez said:
So you're saying that the Constitution doesn't allow private businesses to discriminate? What was the point of the Civil Rights Act, then?
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The South didn't give a **** about the constitution; that's why they passed the Civil Rights Act, to make it explicit to you "traditionalists" that your anti American crap wasn't going to fly any longer.
 
Voted other. It can be an effective tool, but that is not always the case.
 
With a very vigilant eye on history, one can strongly say although civil disobedience may bring the issue at hand to critical attention it alone has very little effect of actual change yet echos a childish temper tantrum. When a child fails to attain what he wishes he brings attention to himself with screams and the destruction of objects around him, in the same way the masses finding an issue which has not been resolved or a right that has not been established throw themselves in the streets like children and cause havoc with little real outcome yet an illusion of "fighting" for something they believe in. Real change consists of different stages depending on the government that the citizens reside in. It may be as simple as marches and demonstrations as with Martin Luther King Junior or the idea of an armed resistance as with Malcolm X. It may be debated that this "civil disobedience" has brought change on the contrary let us remember it is not the fist that writes law , but the pen.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Another who fantasizes that anything short of a white supremacist ****hole leads to "white genocide". How interesting.
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So confiscating white property and calling for murder of whites in the future isn't so bad? Just come out and say it. You hate whites.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The South didn't give a **** about the constitution; that's why they passed the Civil Rights Act, to make it explicit to you "traditionalists" that your anti American crap wasn't going to fly any longer.
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So Lincoln wasn't American?
 
phattonez said:
So confiscating white property and calling for murder of whites in the future isn't so bad? Just come out and say it. You hate whites.
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Gee, how about you argue against what I actually said? I pointed out that if you treat people like crap for decades, payback will be a bitch---and it is.

Meanwhile you've been on record as making excuses for Jim Crow and arguing that the US shouldn't have gone to war with Nazi Germany. Face it. You hate minorities.
 
phattonez said:
So Lincoln wasn't American?
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Lincoln crushed you "traditionalists" when you tried to break away from the US. He freed the slaves; Jim Crow was a desperate attempt to preserve at least some vestiges of that system.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee, how about you argue against what I actually said? I pointed out that if you treat people like crap for decades, payback will be a bitch---and it is.
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In other words, whites deserve it.

Meanwhile you've been on record as making excuses for Jim Crow and arguing that the US shouldn't have gone to war with Nazi Germany. Face it. You hate minorities.
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There's plenty of good reason to not have gone to war with Germany, the most obvious is that Germany didn't attack us.
 
phattonez said:
Lincoln didn't want blacks to remain in America.

Another look at Abraham Lincoln and the colonization of ex-slaves | PolitiFact
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Oh, you mean the Liberia project? That was part of the train of thought that you "traditionalists" were too bigoted to every truly accept African Americans in this country and that they'd be happier back in Africa. As it turned out, African Americans disagreed with the idea and the whole project fizzled out--- especially after you lot began your treason.
 
phattonez said:
In other words, whites deserve it.



There's plenty of good reason to not have gone to war with Germany, the most obvious is that Germany didn't attack us.
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Uh....no, there are no good reasons not to fight Adolf Hitler's regime, which was the most evil regime on the face of the earth at that time and which was busily exterminating millions of innocent people.

And yes, maybe the Boers shouldn't have treated the native South Africans like **** if they didn't expect some degree of payback.
 
lefty louie said:
Wasn't the Boston Tea Party an act of civil disobedience?
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No. It was theft and destruction of property much like what Antifa does today...
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh, you mean the Liberia project? That was part of the train of thought that you "traditionalists" were too bigoted to every truly accept African Americans in this country and that they'd be happier back in Africa. As it turned out, African Americans disagreed with the idea and the whole project fizzled out--- especially after you lot began your treason.
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Should Africans have ever been brought here?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Uh....no, there are no good reasons not to fight Adolf Hitler's regime, which was the most evil regime on the face of the earth at that time and which was busily exterminating millions of innocent people.
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Except for Stalin, who was also busily exterminating millions of innocent people and invading countries. Why did we ally with him again?

And yes, maybe the Boers shouldn't have treated the native South Africans like **** if they didn't expect some degree of payback.
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Whites in South Africa deserve to be killed. Got it.
 
phattonez said:
Should Africans have ever been brought here?
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Should slaves have been brought here? No, I don't think there should have been slavery in this country, ever.

Should Africans have been brought here? If they were brought here and treated the same as everyone else, then I don't think anyone would have a problem.
 
phattonez said:
Except for Stalin, who was also busily exterminating millions of innocent people and invading countries. Why did we ally with him again?



Whites in South Africa deserve to be killed. Got it.
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And the interesting thing is that ole Adolf accomplished the monumentally difficult feat of being worse than Stalin. Guess that's why we allied with the Brits and Russians. Oh, and the fact that U-Boats were killing American sailors, and the fact that Germany's allies were rampaging through Asia.

Those who support apartheid can't be surprised when payback comes along and bites them in the ass
 
Tigerace117 said:
And the interesting thing is that ole Adolf accomplished the monumentally difficult feat of being worse than Stalin. Guess that's why we allied with the Brits and Russians. Oh, and the fact that U-Boats were killing American sailors, and the fact that Germany's allies were rampaging through Asia.
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The Brits carpet bombed cities, and the Soviets mass raped Germany. Both sides were disgusting, and we should have had no part in it.

Those who support apartheid can't be surprised when payback comes along and bites them in the ass
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We get it. You think that all of the whites should die.
 
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