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Was Trump's Republican nomination a "protest vote" by Republicans?

Was Trump's Republican nomination a "protest vote" by Republicans?

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Was Trump's Republican nomination a "protest vote" by Republicans?

Or, did enough of them honestly feel he was the best candidate?
 
I'm in with "other". Because I believe it was both choices. A protest & rebellion vote, thinking Trump was the right guy to upset the status quo.

The reason Trump was able to take over the party, was in part because the party was hollow and empty, devoid of a solid unifying ethically idealogical core besides, "Obama! Hillary! Bad Dems!".

Many Republican rank & file weren't crazy about the GOP establishment, but they absolutely hated the Dems. So they were stuck. Then along came a non-Dem non-GOP alternative, beholden to no one, that wanted to take-over the GOP while singing a relatively conservative populist nationalist message.

And the rank & file said, "Where have you been for all these years"?
 
Chomsky said:
I'm in with "other". Because I believe it was both choices. A protest & rebellion vote, thinking Trump was the right guy to upset the status quo.

The reason Trump was able to take over the party, was in part because the party was hollow and empty, devoid of a solid unifying ethically idealogical core besides, "Obama! Hillary! Bad Dems!".

Many Republican rank & file weren't crazy about the GOP establishment, but they absolutely hated the Dems. So they were stuck. Then along came a non-Dem non-GOP alternative, beholden to no one, that wanted to take-over the GOP while singing a relatively conservative populist nationalist message.

And the rank & file said, "Where have you been for all these years"?
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I agree to some extent; I think its easier to imagine a red plunger and a blue plunger that we have been going back and forth between to clear the plumbing until frustration set in and the nation dropped a cherry bomb in the toilet and hoped for the best.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm in with "other". Because I believe it was both choices. A protest & rebellion vote, thinking Trump was the right guy to upset the status quo.

The reason Trump was able to take over the party, was in part because the party was hollow and empty, devoid of a solid unifying ethically idealogical core besides, "Obama! Hillary! Bad Dems!".

Many Republican rank & file weren't crazy about the GOP establishment, but they absolutely hated the Dems. So they were stuck. Then along came a non-Dem non-GOP alternative, beholden to no one, that wanted to take-over the GOP while singing a relatively conservative populist nationalist message.

And the rank & file said, "Where have you been for all these years"?
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I pretty much agree. I doesn't hurt that he said all the right things. All the things that they really wanted to hear from their own candidates for years, but never really got.
 
Polar Bum said:
I agree to some extent; I think its easier to imagine a red plunger and a blue plunger that we have been going back and forth between to clear the plumbing until frustration set in and the nation dropped a cherry bomb in the toilet and hoped for the best.
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Actually, that's not a bad analogy! :thumbs:
 
radcen said:
I pretty much agree. I doesn't hurt that he said all the right things. All the things that they really wanted to hear from their own candidates for years, but never really got.
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Yep. Even if many now know much of what Trump says will never be true, they are happy someone is finally speaking their language.

I saw that echo'd quite a few times in interviews with Trump supporters. No one spoke for them. And even if little happens, they're his because no one else speaks for them.
 
radcen said:
Was Trump's Republican nomination a "protest vote" by Republicans?

Or, did enough of them honestly feel he was the best candidate?
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It was a protest vote, but they also felt, for that very reason, that he was better than Hillary. Had the DNC run anyone else, virtually anyone, they might not have been so insistent in getting out and beating her, but they were tired of the blaming-and-shaming atmosphere that blanked the nation and they were ready to turn the tables.

Although, I certainly didn't predict it, or even think it would happen, the democrats underestimated how much animosity they'd bred in the past eight years. The political pendulum had swung so far to the Left that it was bound to come swinging back to the right with a vengeance. And that it did.
 
For me it was.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm in with "other". Because I believe it was both choices. A protest & rebellion vote, thinking Trump was the right guy to upset the status quo.

The reason Trump was able to take over the party, was in part because the party was hollow and empty, devoid of a solid unifying ethically idealogical core besides, "Obama! Hillary! Bad Dems!".

Many Republican rank & file weren't crazy about the GOP establishment, but they absolutely hated the Dems. So they were stuck. Then along came a non-Dem non-GOP alternative, beholden to no one, that wanted to take-over the GOP while singing a relatively conservative populist nationalist message.

And the rank & file said, "Where have you been for all these years"?
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And it really turned out to be a good thing...a bonus, if you will...that Trump understands economics better than almost any other President and is willing to take the political heat necessary to actually do something effective to make things better for the American people.
 
radcen said:
Was Trump's Republican nomination a "protest vote" by Republicans?

Or, did enough of them honestly feel he was the best candidate?
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I think it was a combination of too many primary candidates,retards voting for Trump and is how republicans got stuck with Trump for the general election. So many of them just voted for the lesser of two evils, or are die hard party-tards and that is why they voted for Trump.

We know there was too many primary candidates because around 12 republicans in the primaries. We know that retards voted for him because these were the people who kept spewing blatantly false idiotic nonsense of how Trump is outsider or how Trump is anti-establishment. People who praise, support and donate to liberal democrats and RINO republicans are not anti-establishment or an outsider. People who hang out with an ex-president and his family on multiple occasions are not anti-establishment or outsiders. We know party raiding was going on because stupid idiots were posting threads of democrats crossing the isle to go vote for Trump in the primary as though that was somehow a good thing.
 
radcen said:
Was Trump's Republican nomination a "protest vote" by Republicans?

Or, did enough of them honestly feel he was the best candidate?
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They had 16 other choices that didn't pass muster. I do think people were tired of the same ol'.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm in with "other". Because I believe it was both choices. A protest & rebellion vote, thinking Trump was the right guy to upset the status quo.

The reason Trump was able to take over the party, was in part because the party was hollow and empty, devoid of a solid unifying ethically idealogical core besides, "Obama! Hillary! Bad Dems!".

Many Republican rank & file weren't crazy about the GOP establishment, but they absolutely hated the Dems. So they were stuck. Then along came a non-Dem non-GOP alternative, beholden to no one, that wanted to take-over the GOP while singing a relatively conservative populist nationalist message.

And the rank & file said, "Where have you been for all these years"?
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Because most of the other had become GOP lite.

BTW: We've had a message for years and it is now starting to resonate.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm in with "other". Because I believe it was both choices. A protest & rebellion vote, thinking Trump was the right guy to upset the status quo.

The reason Trump was able to take over the party, was in part because the party was hollow and empty, devoid of a solid unifying ethically idealogical core besides, "Obama! Hillary! Bad Dems!".

Many Republican rank & file weren't crazy about the GOP establishment, but they absolutely hated the Dems. So they were stuck. Then along came a non-Dem non-GOP alternative, beholden to no one, that wanted to take-over the GOP while singing a relatively conservative populist nationalist message.

And the rank & file said, "Where have you been for all these years"?
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i agree with this analysis.
 
radcen said:
Was Trump's Republican nomination a "protest vote" by Republicans?

Or, did enough of them honestly feel he was the best candidate?
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It was both. Many people have been struggling with a sense that the prior administrations have been taking the public for a ride and gaming the system for their own benefit. The same old professional politicians making the same old promises and doing nothing about it. No imagination, no risky ideas, not willing to challenge "the way it's done around here". Well, the way it was done around here was to drain our treasury and raise taxes and cut wages and outsource jobs.

As immigration changed the world around the forgotten people, foreign customs and foreign languages made life less cohesive and gritty. People get along fine at work but see the tribal nature of our "new" society after work when everyone retreats to "their kind". Homelessness and addiction became visible indicators of our decay. With politicians playing lip service to excess labor flowing in, the middle class saw their standard of living slipping, and wondered if the homeless guy was a harbinger of his future too. Prior to that "globalization" was suppose to bring benefits to all and make us even more happy, but all it brought was lower prices and jobs moving overseas chasing that race to the bottom. Dollar stores became a growth industry not to be proud of.

Today we still have a lot of people happy where they are. Many are in special industries where the bad effects missed them, many are part of hi tech and STEM and are the hot new kids on the block. Some work for the public sector hoping their retirement check will be there when they retire.

Meanwhile the rest of the poor and middle class was left to rot in place by leadership of both parties.

Trump offers hope and a return to prosperity most people under 40 have no idea existed. You can hate him for how he is, you can hate him for who he was. But you are going to have to learn accept the leaders our system gives you.
 
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radcen said:
Was Trump's Republican nomination a "protest vote" by Republicans?

Or, did enough of them honestly feel he was the best candidate?
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More Republicans came out and voted for Donald Trump in the primaries than any other Republican candidate in history, and this is despite having a very crowded field. Donald Trump won the Republican nomination because the base liked his message - which is saying something considering he was the most racist candidate since George Wallace.
 
chuckiechan said:
It was both. Many people have been struggling with a sense that the prior administrations have been taking the public for a ride and gaming the system for their own benefit. The same old professional politicians making the same old promises and doing nothing about it. No imagination, no risky ideas, not willing to challenge "the way it's done around here". Well, the way it was done around here was to drain our treasury and raise taxes and cut wages and outsource jobs.

As immigration changed the world around the forgotten people, foreign customs and foreign languages made life less cohesive and gritty. People get along fine at work but see the tribal nature of our "new" society after work when everyone retreats to "their kind". Homelessness and addiction became visible indicators of our decay. With politicians playing lip service to excess labor flowing in, the middle class saw their standard of living slipping, and wondered if they homeless guy was a harbinger of his future too. Prior to that "globalization" was suppose to bring benefits to all and make us even more happy, but all it brought was lower prices and jobs moving overseas chasing that race to the bottom. Dollar stores became a growth industry not to be proud of.

Today we still have a lot of people happy where they are. Many are in special industries where the bad effects missed them, many are part of hi tech and STEM and are the hot new kids on the block. Some work for the public sector hoping their retirement check will be there when they retire.

Meanwhile the rest of the poor and middle class was left to rot in place by leadership of both parties.

Trump offers hope and a return to prosperity most people under 40 have no idea existed. You can hate him for how he is, you can hate him for who he was. But you are going to have to learn accept the leaders our system gives you.
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I'm with you in concept for the most part, but many of you really need to get off this "prior administration/Obama" crap. Is it a common rallying point, or something? This crap that you speak of has been building and happening through decades, and it's not just one party nor is it just one person. This is why many people say there's not much difference between the parties, other than the normal wedge issues.
 
radcen said:
Was Trump's Republican nomination a "protest vote" by Republicans?

Or, did enough of them honestly feel he was the best candidate?
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SIAP.

If you'd included a choice in your poll like you mentioned in your OP 'they <GOP> thought he was the best candidate, (could win)' that would be better than other, I would've voted for that. Now, I'm resigned to voting for other. There are polls in DP that offer more than 3 choices.
 
HowardBThiname said:
It was a protest vote, but they also felt, for that very reason, that he was better than Hillary. Had the DNC run anyone else, virtually anyone, they might not have been so insistent in getting out and beating her, but they were tired of the blaming-and-shaming atmosphere that blanked the nation and they were ready to turn the tables.

Although, I certainly didn't predict it, or even think it would happen, the democrats underestimated how much animosity they'd bred in the past eight years. The political pendulum had swung so far to the Left that it was bound to come swinging back to the right with a vengeance. And that it did.
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Hillary was an absolutely horrible candidate, no question. But the thread is about Trump's nomination, the primaries, and how/why he was chosen overall 16 others by the Reps to be their representative. At that point, while Hillary was the expected Dem nominee, she wasn't in the opponent equation yet.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm in with "other". Because I believe it was both choices. A protest & rebellion vote, thinking Trump was the right guy to upset the status quo.

The reason Trump was able to take over the party, was in part because the party was hollow and empty, devoid of a solid unifying ethically idealogical core besides, "Obama! Hillary! Bad Dems!".

Many Republican rank & file weren't crazy about the GOP establishment, but they absolutely hated the Dems. So they were stuck. Then along came a non-Dem non-GOP alternative, beholden to no one, that wanted to take-over the GOP while singing a relatively conservative populist nationalist message.

And the rank & file said, "Where have you been for all these years"?
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I agree. Heck look on these boards....when things crop up with Trump and crew....we are still going back to - but Hillary. Do they realize Hillary was never POTUS?
 
radcen said:
I'm with you in concept for the most part, but many of you really need to get off this "prior administration/Obama" crap. Is it a common rallying point, or something? This crap that you speak of has been building and happening through decades, and it's not just one party nor is it just one person. This is why many people say there's not much difference between the parties, other than the normal wedge issues.
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ME said:
Many people have been struggling with a sense that the prior administrations have been taking the public for a ride and gaming the system for their own benefit.
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Learn to read. "ADMINISTRATIONS"
 
radcen said:
Was Trump's Republican nomination a "protest vote" by Republicans?

Or, did enough of them honestly feel he was the best candidate?
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Candidate Trump's nomination and subsequent win for me was the lesser of 20 evils. Unless some party comes up with something better by 2020 it will be the same then.

I have no idea why others voted for him. My general circle of friends and family felt the same as I did.
 
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