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Is this a 'school shooting', or something else?

Is this a 'school shooting', or something else?

  • It's a school shooting, it happened on a school campus.

    Votes: 5 29.4%

  • It's a mass shooting, it included two or more victims.

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • It's domestic violence, it happened within a family unit and included no one else.

    Votes: 13 76.5%

  • It's mental illness unrelated to location or other factors.

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • It's drug-fueled and unrelated to location or other factors.

    Votes: 2 11.8%

  • It's something else entirely.

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • Total voters
    17
  • Poll closed .
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In light of recent events and current public debate, this is an appropriate question to ask: How should this event be categorized? Is this a 'school shooting', or something else?

1) It's a school shooting, it happened on a school campus.
2) It's a mass shooting, it included two or more victims.
3) It's domestic violence, it happened within a family unit and included no one else.
4) It's mental illness unrelated to location or other factors.
5) It's drug-fueled and unrelated to location or other factors.
6) It's something else entirely.

Multiple choice, choose all that you believe apply.
19-year-old charged in shooting death of his parents on Michigan college campus

19-year-old charged in shooting death of his parents on Michigan college campus
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I'm not open to the "it's too soon" tangent. This will be categorized into one or more of the above categories, and as such will influence future debate and potential solutions.
 
What needs to be clarified first and foremost is the definition of 'school shooting", and it shouldn't include someone who parks in a school parking lot and shoots himself, or shooting that occur when a school is closed and no students are even there.
 
Acadia said:
What needs to be clarified first and foremost is the definition of 'school shooting", and it shouldn't include someone who parks in a school parking lot and shoots himself, or shooting that occur when a school is closed and no students are even there.
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You just did (for yourself). Proceed accordingly.
 
radcen said:
You just did (for yourself). Proceed accordingly.
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I didn't clarify for myself. Statistics driven by Everytown are quoted all the time, and are deceptive.
 
radcen said:
In light of recent events and current public debate, this is an appropriate question to ask: How should this event be categorized? Is this a 'school shooting', or something else?

1) It's a school shooting, it happened on a school campus.
2) It's a mass shooting, it included two or more victims.
3) It's domestic violence, it happened within a family unit and included no one else.
4) It's mental illness unrelated to location or other factors.
5) It's drug-fueled and unrelated to location or other factors.
6) It's something else entirely.

Multiple choice, choose all that you believe apply.


I'm not open to the "it's too soon" tangent. This will be categorized into one or more of the above categories, and as such will influence future debate and potential solutions.
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I don't have much detail but it seems family related.

It happened at a school but wasn't about the school or students or staff.

It wasn't a "mass" shooting as most people mean it because the targets were not random or generalized.
 
When I think of school shootings I don’t personally think of college campuses where adults take classes. For me it is a K-12 school and the shooter must be targeting students and/or faculty.

That said, I don’t put much utility in these kinds of semantic arguments, though I know they happen.
 
Goshin said:
I don't have much detail but it seems family related.

It happened at a school but wasn't about the school or students or staff.

It wasn't a "mass" shooting as most people mean it because the targets were not random or generalized.
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The school aspect is purely coincidental, but it fits with many people's agendas and the more incidents they can point to will bolster their agenda. I'd bet money this appears on many school shooting lists in the future.

This was personal, very personal, and very targeted. Because some of the details are still sketchy, I hold out the possibility of mental illness and/or drug fueled, but am willing to retract those if/when better information comes out dismissing those.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
When I think of school shootings I don’t personally think of college campuses where adults take classes. For me it is a K-12 school and the shooter must be targeting students and/or faculty.

That said, I don’t put much utility in these kinds of semantic arguments, though I know they happen.
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I don't want to, but people use them to further their own agendas, so I feel like we have to.
 
Domestic violence, obviously.
 
radcen said:
In light of recent events and current public debate, this is an appropriate question to ask: How should this event be categorized? Is this a 'school shooting', or something else?

1) It's a school shooting, it happened on a school campus.
2) It's a mass shooting, it included two or more victims.
3) It's domestic violence, it happened within a family unit and included no one else.
4) It's mental illness unrelated to location or other factors.
5) It's drug-fueled and unrelated to location or other factors.
6) It's something else entirely.

Multiple choice, choose all that you believe apply.


I'm not open to the "it's too soon" tangent. This will be categorized into one or more of the above categories, and as such will influence future debate and potential solutions.
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Technically, yes, this is a school shooting. It happened at a school. However a "school shooting" as most people view it is some wacko going around and shooting people indiscriminately. That is what the media has focused on for years every time they talked about "school shootings" to the extent that they have. You look at most school shootings in the media and it always involves someone shooting as many people as possible. So that is what most people are going to automatically think of. It isn't until recently that the media started to include this type of shooting in their agenda. And they're doing it to inflate their numbers in order to push an agenda.

As far as me personally, I'd categorize it as domestic violence myself as it was obviously between family members and/or involved family matters.
 
Goshin said:
I don't have much detail but it seems family related.

It happened at a school but wasn't about the school or students or staff.

It wasn't a "mass" shooting as most people mean it because the targets were not random or generalized.
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What was it about?
 
Regarding the OP poll, semantics really.

Whatever your personal thoughts are, whether you include them or not in the numbers of school shootings, it doesn't diminish the fact that kids are going to school and being randomly targeted and killed by maniacs.

The whole "And they're doing it to inflate their numbers in order to push an agenda" thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless you believe the numbers are acceptable already. Why would you even need to inflate the numbers? Surely the numbers of kids randomly getting shot up at schools is already unacceptable?

That being said, how you attempt to address why these shootings are occurring and what should be done to combat them, is a different topic obviously.
 
Serenity said:
Regarding the OP poll, semantics really.

Whatever your personal thoughts are, whether you include them or not in the numbers of school shootings, it doesn't diminish the fact that kids are going to school and being randomly targeted and killed by maniacs.

The whole "And they're doing it to inflate their numbers in order to push an agenda" thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless you believe the numbers are acceptable already. Why would you even need to inflate the numbers? Surely the numbers of kids randomly getting shot up at schools is already unacceptable?

That being said, how you attempt to combat/address why these shootings are occurring and what should be done, is a different topic obviously.
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any kid being shot or killed in a school is unacceptable but the discussion is not advanced when some groups count as "school shootings" cases where a random shot breaks the window of an unoccupied unused school, or someone drives into the outskirts of a school parking lot and kills themselves in their car. Those are counted by some as "school shootings" in an attempt to claim school shootings have increased lately.

I also think that the 24/7 news cycle hasn't helped the situation, I believe some of the sickos who have attacked schools are trying to "break a record"
 
Serenity said:
Regarding the OP poll, semantics really.

Whatever your personal thoughts are, whether you include them or not in the numbers of school shootings, it doesn't diminish the fact that kids are going to school and being randomly targeted and killed by maniacs.

The whole "And they're doing it to inflate their numbers in order to push an agenda" thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless you believe the numbers are acceptable already. Why would you even need to inflate the numbers? Surely the numbers of kids randomly getting shot up at schools is already unacceptable?

That being said, how you attempt to address why these shootings are occurring and what should be done to combat them, is a different topic obviously.
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Even one is unacceptable. But people with agenda's normally don't really care as much about what's actually happening beyond what will further their agenda. That is not to say that they don't care about the children. They just care more about their agenda. Those are the types of people that will use anything and everything to push their agenda. Even if what they are using isn't equivalent with what they were already using. For instance, shooting a family member due to a disagreement vs shooting up a whole K-12 school. Yet they will treat both as exactly the same. But they're not. Different strategies are required to handle each one.
 
Domestic violence seems the most appropriate label.

While it took place at a school, it didn't involve any staff or students from the school so "school shooting" doesn't really seem to fit.
"Mass shooting" implies more people, and random targets in my mind.
Mental illness and/or drugs may have played a part but there doesn't seem to be hard evidence of that yet.
 
Shooting occurs at a school = a school shooting.
 
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