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Should high school students who skip school to protest...

Should high school students who skip school to protest... (see post #1)

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radcen said:
Should high school students who skip school to protest over guns/shootings face punishment for skipping school?

Why or why not?
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What does the school do if the student's parents or legal guardians approve the absence and send a note, e-mail or call the school? Can a school in America punish a student for off-campus political activity done with parental consent? I would suspect a lawsuit could be launched by angry parents against the school in such a case.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Skipping school? Outrageous. Among the clearly deserved punishments:

1) Make them disassemble and reassemble an M-16 blindfolded...underwater.
2) Make them report to the national guard and put them to work washing tanks and polishing accoutrements for Trump's military parade.
3) Send them to a year of college at Bob Jones University.
4) Make them wash Rosie O'Donnels feet.

Anyone of those would straighten out their little spoiled asses.

;)
 
If it's a cause worth protesting over, it's a cause worth having extra homework over. Besides, it's not real protesting if it isn't pissing someone off enough to try and punish you for it.
 
AGENT J said:
is skipping school already a punishable offense for that school?

then yes if caught they are guilty of breaking that rule and subject to that punishment. But the reality is the school makes this rule, like when i was in school nobody ever got in trouble for skipping on senior skip day, so its ultimately up to the school.
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The seniors rarely got punished for their bull**** in my high school, either - at some point, my class realized that if enough of us screwed up, they wouldn't have the resources or time to punish us. :lol:
 
The courts already decided this decades ago. They have the right to protest, but can face ordinary punishments. I’m noticing a not-too-subtle case of “strict defense of court rulings for my cause, but not yours if it conflicts with mine” in a number of the posters here.

Gun rights advocates: stop being whiny.

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Grand Mal said:
What's the punishment for skipping school? I was in high school in the early '70's and there was no punishment for skipping school. They didn't even call the parents unless it was weeks of absence. In elementary and jr. high your absence was expected to be explained daily by a parent but the punishment for skipping was left up to the parents.
Do high schools punish students for absence?
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Actually, you’d probably find a lot of interesting books to read on the subject regarding truancy over the course of the 20th century.

To answer your last question, yes, yes they do.


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radcen said:
Should high school students who skip school to protest over guns/shootings face punishment for skipping school?

Why or why not?
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Yes.They should face the same punishment they would for missing school for any other days that don't have anything to do with being physically ill. They can protest before or after school hours.
 
Grand Mal said:
What's the punishment for skipping school? I was in high school in the early '70's and there was no punishment for skipping school. They didn't even call the parents unless it was weeks of absence. In elementary and jr. high your absence was expected to be explained daily by a parent but the punishment for skipping was left up to the parents.
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Punishments would be if you missed assignment deadlines and tests then there would be no makeup tests and no new assignment deadlines.Unless you had a doctor's note saying you had the flu or some other illness that prevented you from showing up to school. Excessive truancy would be detention. Maybe even during school hours detention where instead of going to your regular classes you go to a single classroom and have no interaction with the rest of your school mates until after school is over.
 
Grand Mal said:
What the hell does that even mean?
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It means just what it says. What has been done to solve the problem since Columbine? NOTHING, and everything attempted by the left has been opposed by the right. In the meantime the right (especially under Trump) has cut funding for school safety, cut funding for mental health treatment, cut funding for drug enforcement, done all ti can to increase income inequality, start wars for kids to die in, and the list goes on.

And what have you done?
 
Old Trapper said:
It means just what it says. What has been done to solve the problem since Columbine? NOTHING, and everything attempted by the left has been opposed by the right. In the meantime the right (especially under Trump) has cut funding for school safety, cut funding for mental health treatment, cut funding for drug enforcement, done all ti can to increase income inequality, start wars for kids to die in, and the list goes on.

And what have you done?
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Me? Nothing. Check my side-bar, I'm in Canada. We don't have that problem, we obsess over things like bullying in schools and screen time for kids.
If I were American I'd reluctantly be advocating for teachers to be armed, if they were so inclined. I'd make sure it was never a criterion for hiring teachers, going so far as saying that any resume that cited firearms training would go to the bottom of the pile. I'd hate the idea but something has to be done. Arming teachers doesn't do anything to solve the problem but it might keep the problem out of the schools. The problem being, obviously, where are all the psycho killers coming from?
 
Evilroddy said:
What does the school do if the student's parents or legal guardians approve the absence and send a note, e-mail or call the school? Can a school in America punish a student for off-campus political activity done with parental consent? I would suspect a lawsuit could be launched by angry parents against the school in such a case.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Parents can be prosecuted for truancy. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

But basically, they would do whatever it is they do now when a parent lies for the kid and takes them on vacation, or whatever. Either call them on it or look the other way.
 
It's an important learning experience and peaceful protest and involvement/interest in the govt are things to be encouraged IMO.

And they will be exposed to the other side(s) (whatever that may be) of their issue.
 
radcen said:
Should high school students who skip school to protest over guns/shootings face punishment for skipping school?

Why or why not?
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No. Part of a school's obligation is to create better human beings. They're not just factories for churning out people with good grades. Kids who take an active role in the future of our country absolutely fall in the category of "better human beings."
 
Most of the senior class in my high school (~350 students) walked out during class one day in protest of what we saw as the forced resignation of our great principle (he had done some great things to improve the school just that school year, he was only there that 1 school year). We didn't get punished for it despite getting the info wrong (we weren't told why he was leaving but did know that he and the district were clashing about some policies he set that favored students)(turned out he actually had an offer that was simply better for his family). I know I learned from the experience.

Unless they did it more than for a single day, then no they shouldn't be punished. And how its viewed as an absence, excused or unexcused should be up to set district policies in place. Should not fall under skipping school if they were protesting that whole time.
 
Truancy Officers should be dispatched by the dozens...

HS kids jobs are to go to school, not protest **** they have no understanding or control, or voice over. The future is not now.
 
Fiddytree said:
Actually, you’d probably find a lot of interesting books to read on the subject regarding truancy over the course of the 20th century.

To answer your last question, yes, yes they do.


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Not always. They certainly dont investigate occasional day's off by students without a record of doing so. No investigation, no punishment.
 
Considering the nature of the current protests and its likelihood of influencing this poll's results...I'd be willing to bet many answers would be different if those kids were out there protesting to fully support the 2A in all its glory and intents.

:lamo
 
I think any punishment should solely be for skipping school, not protesting.
 
ChezC3 said:
Truancy Officers should be dispatched by the dozens...

HS kids jobs are to go to school, not protest **** they have no understanding or control, or voice over. The future is not now.
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Truancy officers for high-school kids? You have that?
I find this whole subject, punishing high-school aged kids for skipping school, kind of bizarre. Is that a new thing or has it always been that way?
 
Grand Mal said:
Truancy officers for high-school kids? You have that?
I find this whole subject, punishing high-school aged kids for skipping school, kind of bizarre. Is that a new thing or has it always been that way?
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Sure, and parents can be charged generally. You gotta understand that Americans are sadistic, and that we have decided that the law is an all purpose hammer, which is why the law book undergoes constant expansion with the laws often poorly written on purpose to give prosecutors max leeway to hammer away if they feel that a hammer is needed....maybe to promote thir careers.


Truancy laws around the country: up to one year in jail - NY Daily News
 
Fiddytree said:
Actually, you’d probably find a lot of interesting books to read on the subject regarding truancy over the course of the 20th century.

To answer your last question, yes, yes they do.


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What's the punishment, normally?
Nevermind, it probably varies too much to be answered.
It's odd, though, but I can't say exactly why, just that it's so different from my experience. And not just mine- my wife went to high school three time zones away from me and she was never punished for absenteeism either. I wonder if it improved attendance? I'd guess 'yes', but not by much. Must make that freshman year in university seem like an exhilarating burst of freedom.
 
Grand Mal said:
What's the punishment, normally?
Nevermind, it probably varies too much to be answered.
It's odd, though, but I can't say exactly why, just that it's so different from my experience. And not just mine- my wife went to high school three time zones away from me and she was never punished for absenteeism either. I wonder if it improved attendance? I'd guess 'yes', but not by much. Must make that freshman year in university seem like an exhilarating burst of freedom.
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The best interest of the kid is not the point:

Calhoun says truant students could possibly lead to an increase in crime.

"There is a very high correlation between young people who do not attend school and crime. It’s in the best interest of the community if these people are in school,” Calhoun says.

"A child is a child and they are going to need that parental guardian to make sure they go to school. I definitely blame it on the parent,” King says,

The Compulsory School Attendance Law applies to children ranging in age from 6 to 17-years-old. It applies to five-year-olds who are in kindergarten. For more information on this law, click the attached link
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Parents arrested for school attendance law violations
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Sure, and parents can be charged generally. You gotta understand that Americans are sadistic, and that we have decided that the law is an all purpose hammer, which is why the law book undergoes constant expansion with the laws often poorly written on purpose to give prosecutors max leeway to hammer away if they feel that a hammer is needed....maybe to promote thir careers.


Truancy laws around the country: up to one year in jail - NY Daily News
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My God...

"In 2014, Eileen DiNino died in jail while serving a two-day sentence imposed after she was unable to pay $2,000 in truancy fines."

Jail time. For truancy.
Sounds very North Korean.
 
Grand Mal said:
What's the punishment, normally?
Nevermind, it probably varies too much to be answered.
It's odd, though, but I can't say exactly why, just that it's so different from my experience. And not just mine- my wife went to high school three time zones away from me and she was never punished for absenteeism either. I wonder if it improved attendance? I'd guess 'yes', but not by much. Must make that freshman year in university seem like an exhilarating burst of freedom.
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In this situation there are local and state variations, but you’re basically talking unexcused absences, potentially needing to take finals if you’re over the line on unexcused absences. Hardly a big deal. Students also have a *limit* on the type of “disruptions” they can impose on a school environment. However, administration can’t take extraordinary steps to punish students for political statements or protest. The threat to suspend students over this is going above and beyond reasonable penalties.


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radcen said:
Should high school students who skip school to protest over guns/shootings face punishment for skipping school?

Why or why not?
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Of course there should be a penalty. It's not much of a "protest" if there's no consequence to attending. We call the kind of thing where you shout slogans and voice political opinion without consequence a "political rally". If you protest you have to give something of value up. To do otherwise is the political equivalent of "donating" raggedy underwear and broken televisions to Goodwill.
 
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