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Mass shootings: Solution(s)

Mass shootings: Solution(s)

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Mass shootings: Solution(s)

Is there just ONE thing that needs to be done to end (severely lessen, tbh) mass shootings, or is it a matter of fixing several things for a complete solution?

Leaving the question open and not naming any possibilities, although you are certainly free to mention them if you like.
 
Mass shootings: Solution(s)

Is there just ONE thing that needs to be done to end (severely lessen, tbh) mass shootings, or is it a matter of fixing several things for a complete solution?

Leaving the question open and not naming any possibilities, although you are certainly free to mention them if you like.


Hmm...let me give my wish list.

1. Stop drugging our boys. For some reason our society has vilified normal boyish energy, labeling it as either ADD or ADHD. As a result, to "calm them down" we are allowing them to be drugged into submission so they act "nicer" in schools...behave more like girls do.

2. Stop pushing the idea that being a boy (male) is a bad thing. That his normal biological imperatives are somehow detrimental, and that simply being male makes him an automatic threat to all females unless he is controlled and feminized.

IMO those recent feminist ideals are repressing young males, confusing them, frustrating them, and either lead to rebellion and acting out or turns them into androgynous "cucks."

CUCK: A man who is desperate for acceptance, approval, and affection from women. This desperation has led to the compromise of his beliefs and values, the desecration of his dignity and self-worth, and his inability to stand up for himself and what he deserves as a human being, eg. loyalty, fidelity, and honesty in a romantic relationship.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

3. Spend some of that "social welfare" money on diagnosing what socio/psychological ills might be leading young men toward either of these extremes, and then develop mental health and other methods of addressing them.

4. Stop pushing the idea that a College education is the only key to success. Start advocating the value of trade schooling, engineering, and other hands-on "technical/things-oriented" careers that many males would prefer and have an interest in.
 
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Mass shootings: Solution(s)

Is there just ONE thing that needs to be done to end (severely lessen, tbh) mass shootings, or is it a matter of fixing several things for a complete solution?

Leaving the question open and not naming any possibilities, although you are certainly free to mention them if you like.

It's too late. You're so locked in by your constitution that the constitutional rights of potential psycho killers can't be violated. It's as if your history carried a poison pill that's just now kicking in.
 
It's too late. You're so locked in by your constitution that the constitutional rights of potential psycho killers can't be violated. It's as if your history carried a poison pill that's just now kicking in.

Nope.

NOTHING to do with being "locked in by our Constitutional rights," and everything to do with not recognizing the underlying causes that push some young men to act out this way, and then finding reasonable, rational, and effective ways to correct them.
 
Nope.

NOTHING to do with being "locked in by our Constitutional rights," and everything to do with not recognizing the underlying causes that push some young men to act out this way, and then finding reasonable, rational, and effective ways to correct them.

So how does 'not recognizing causes' not mean 'locked in by your constitution'? Every suggested solution to this problem comes up against the same wall- violatng constitutional rights.
Know what? Your costitution is getting in your way.
 
So how does 'not recognizing causes' not mean 'locked in by your constitution'? Every suggested solution to this problem comes up against the same wall- violatng constitutional rights.
Know what? Your costitution is getting in your way.

Well...I don't know how they do things up in the Great White North, but down here we try to balance protecting individual liberty with maintaining social cooperation.

That's why a person is considered innocent until proven guilty; rather than guilty until proven innocent. The understanding that we are individuals working together, and not a socialist collective of disposable cells. Provided rights to protect oneself from oppression by the tyranny of the majority.
 
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So how does 'not recognizing causes' not mean 'locked in by your constitution'? Every suggested solution to this problem comes up against the same wall- violatng constitutional rights.
Know what? Your costitution is getting in your way.

No they don't. I offered examples in the other thread.
 
Well...I don't know how they do things up in the Great White North, but down here we try to balance protecting individual liberty with maintaining social cooperation.

That's why a person is considered innocent until proven guilty; rather than guilty until proven innocent. The understanding that we are individuals working together, and not a socialist collective of disposable cells. Provided rights to protect oneself from oppression by the tyranny of the majority.

ohfercristsake.
Are you suggesting I'm oppressed by the tyranny of the majority? That we Canadians don't understand individual liberties because of our socialist collective?
What a frickin' stupid thing to say. You got anything else like that to say to me, just blow it out your ass.
 
Hmm...let me give my wish list.

1. Stop drugging our boys. For some reason our society has vilified normal boyish energy, labeling it as either ADD or ADHD. As a result, to "calm them down" we are allowing them to be drugged into submission so they act "nicer" in schools...behave more like girls do.

This goes both ways, really. Sometimes there is a tendency to over-stigmatize behavior and demand medication 'fixes.' However, there has also been a tendency to stigmatize diagnosis, medication, accommodations, or modifications for students.

2. Stop pushing the idea that being a boy (male) is a bad thing. That his normal biological imperatives are somehow detrimental, and that simply being male makes him an automatic threat to all females unless he is controlled and feminized.

This observation may have merit in some areas, but this is seriously lacking context and could easily be wrong in many other areas.

IMO those recent feminist ideals are repressing young males, confusing them, frustrating them, and either lead to rebellion and acting out or turns them into androgynous "cucks."

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

This is just stupid nonsense.

3. Spend some of that "social welfare" money on diagnosing what socio/psychological ills might be leading young men toward either of these extremes, and then develop mental health and other methods of addressing them.

Potentially, but we've been taking cracks at at-risk youth for a while now. We don't know enough to do that much more with interventions, but we could certainly invest in doing them more. Furthermore, when it comes to mental health, those students affected may physically act out and may from time to time do so against others, but a great majority of the time those same individuals and the vast majority of other students experiencing any mental health problems or serious mental health problems are turning inward, not outward, and the danger for harm is in the direction to self, not others.

4. Stop pushing the idea that a College education is the only key to success. Start advocating the value of trade schooling, engineering, and other hands-on "technical/things-oriented" careers that many males would prefer and have an interest in.

Ok, sure, but the connection seems to the subject seems to have dropped off.
 
Thank you in advance for listening.

Just saw a TV ad for a pharmaceutical, few and far between lately.
Pharms are certainly part of this equation, whether psychotropic, opioid, or glandular.
Wholesale review of prescribed medicines and student profiles is currently underway.
Our Nurse is one of my longest and closest friends at school.

The extensive lists we used to get at the start of the year is exactly the sort of discussion
I'm beginning to read from all of you, and I'm heartened by that.

It's not just the students taking these medicines, it's everyone, in all walks of Life, not to derail.
What we do know is that these powerful psychotropics have dangerous side-affects alone;
along with dangerous and unknown interactions with an untold # of legal and illegal drugs.

Most concerning to me, as a professional ACS Chemist, Teacher, etc., are psychotropic side-affects with suicidal and murderous tendencies, 'ideations' as described by another poster.
Some posters speak of a temp-ban while on these meds.

For some people on these meds, it's that one day out of the year, they lose all hope, entering 'intense' depression.
Depression is caused by a LOSS, whatever the loss.
Never an excuse and I'm sorry I have to say this, the 'person' had lost his Mother.

The only good news is that we will learn from this. We will watch our students more closely when they're going through these crises in their lives, and there are way too many.
Be heartened by the fact that these kids are forever resilient.
They are literally dragging the Adults through this, as the Adults try to figure out what to do ...
 
This goes both ways, really. Sometimes there is a tendency to over-stigmatize behavior and demand medication 'fixes.' However, there has also been a tendency to stigmatize diagnosis, medication, accommodations, or modifications for students.

IMO, as posted elsewhere, we are an over-medicated society in general thanks to Big Pharma pushing drugs for profit purposes. There was no stigma when I was "young" because practitioners gave you what you needed, not what drug companies wanted you to have. I believe it is GOOD to question all this drugging. Where do you think the "opioid crisis" came from? Illegal drug dealing?

This observation may have merit in some areas, but this is seriously lacking context and could easily be wrong in many other areas.

I think it has merit in the specific area posed by the OP. What is causing our young men to act out in ways they seldom if ever did before.

This is just stupid nonsense.

No, just a personal observation of an old Second Wave feminist supporter objecting to Third Wave Feminism's effect on males in current society.

Potentially, but we've been taking cracks at at-risk youth for a while now. We don't know enough to do that much more with interventions, but we could certainly invest in doing them more. Furthermore, when it comes to mental health, those students affected may physically act out and may from time to time do so against others, but a great majority of the time those same individuals and the vast majority of other students experiencing any mental health problems or serious mental health problems are turning inward, not outward, and the danger for harm is in the direction to self, not others.

In most cases they send clear signals they are troubled. They are subconsciously seeking attention and help. They don't act "normal" for 18 years and then just go "bonkers."

Ok, sure, but the connection seems to the subject seems to have dropped off.

No, one of the problems I see is pushing the idea that the only way to advance is getting some College degree in order to succeed in society. We don't respect tinkers, factory workers, etc. these days. Boys are going to college to get degrees in underwater basket weaving just to get a job as a manager at Wal-Mart. That needs to change so boys feel they can be respected and earn a decent living doing the kinds of things they are really interested in.

Not getting this social support, which by the way did exist back in my youth, IMO has a deleterious effect on boys as they move through the education system with an impetus to "stop thinking like a mechanic and try to think like a doctor" ideology I believe that many teachers push these days.
 
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Mass shootings: Solution(s)

Is there just ONE thing that needs to be done to end (severely lessen, tbh) mass shootings, or is it a matter of fixing several things for a complete solution?

Leaving the question open and not naming any possibilities, although you are certainly free to mention them if you like.

#1 Well trained armed guards at schools like the Israelis use. It obviously works.
#2 Get rid of "Gun free zones." They are a magnet for killers looking for easy prey.
#3 End the war on drugs and legalize them. Strip the money from gangs. We know this works because of prohibition.
#4 Better reporting to the NICS system. Stop people from falling through the cracks.
#5 Law enforcement follow up on reports of threats.
 
~ NOTHING to do with being "locked in by our Constitutional rights," ~

It has everything to do with being locked in. Other western countries also have widespread gun ownership but they don't have the same problem and when anyone tries to do anything it hits the same wall.
 
Mass shootings: Solution(s)

Is there just ONE thing that needs to be done to end (severely lessen, tbh) mass shootings, or is it a matter of fixing several things for a complete solution?

Leaving the question open and not naming any possibilities, although you are certainly free to mention them if you like.

radcen:

A suite of reforms will be necessary to reduce firearms related deaths and injuries caused by mass shooting.

Attack the Causes:

-Better monitoring of mental health in the population and more resources in local community health centres devoted to mental health care for those identified as potential threats to the population at large. These local resources must be geared to catering to people who have no or little family support systems. Counselling and if necessary pre-emptive detention should be emphasised rather than medication and management of symptoms remotely.
-Reduce and end the violent conditioning which entertainment, gaming, advertising and the wider culture of America has created to glorify violence and thus lessen the impulse to lash out and raise the social barriers to using violence.
-Begin reprogramming those indoctrinated into the five-hundred year old American Gun Culture which glorifies firearms and lowers the barriers to using violence as a solution to social and societal problems.
-Shift economic policy from an inflation management preoccupation to a full employment goal to keep unemployment and under employment at a minimum.
-Create a universal national service programme for all youth to build personal character, social responsibility and understanding of the law and civics. Make participation in such a programme mandatory for all youth without regards to social standing, economic means and political clout.

Attack the Means:

All the social and mental ills listed above exist in countries other than the USA but only in the USA are such mass shooting so routine. Thus easy access to firearms with great potential for quick and overwhelming destructive potential must be addressed. -Restricting and prohibiting certain types of firearms and firearm accessories from public possession is necessary. The right to own and bear arms does not mean the right to own and bear all arms regardless of their destructive capability and their speed of delivering death.
-Full and thorough background checks and cooling off waiting time periods for all commercial and private gun sales with no loopholes and mandatory gun registry with state (not federal) authorities for each firearm, accessory and ammunition lot purchased/traded/transferred.
-All automatic guns should be prohibited from general public ownership or possession.
-All semi-automatic handguns and long-arms should be restricted to people trained and qualified for their use and vouched for by a certain number of fellow citizens who are willing to take on joint and several legal liability should a restricted gun owner abuse his/her use of such weapons. All sniper rifles, long range marksmanship accessories and special ammunition should be likewise restricted.
-All citizens of good character, sound mind and no criminal convictions should be able to own and bear arms not restricted nor prohibited only on their own property or other sites where firearms use is authorised. Possession of a legal hunting license should permit firearms possession on public lands for the purposes of hunting only. Firearm must be in a temporarily disabled state for transportation purposes to and from other locations where firearms possession and use is authorised.
-High capacity magazines/clips should be illegal as should be jerry-rigging magazines/clips to hold more rounds then they were legally restricted to. Five-round magezines should be the legal limit.
-Certain types of highly destructive ammunition must be prohibited as should be certain types of firearms accessories.
-The state should be able to interdict the possession or ownership rights of individuals diagnosed with certain mental illnesses or convicted of violent crime that might lead to a desire to kill or be killed with respect to firearms.
-All guns confiscated from people who illegally possess them must be destroyed as soon as they are no longer needed as evidence for prosecution. Illegal firearms should never be recycled in society, unless permanently disabled and used as museum pieces.
-All guns used in crime by formerly legal owners of firearms and all other guns owned by them should be confiscated and destroyed when no longer needed as evidence for legal proceedings.
-Laws against the use of firearms during the commission of a crime must be enforced and when additional punishment for firearms use in the commission of a crime is required by law it must be fully served without parole before the rest of the sentence and the possibility of parole is begun.

Continued next post.
 
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Attacking the Vulnerability:

Schools and public day cares should be hardened by retrofitting the following into old schools and requiring the following in new schools:
-Mandatory drilling of school staff and students on lockdown and evacuation procedures.
-All classroom must have lockable security doors which are bullet proof and secure against intruders. All windows in school should be bullet proof.
-All schools should have security doors in corridors and common spaces which can be remotely looked and unlocked to compartmentalise the school and limit the movement of mass shooters within the school. Compartments must have emergency exits out of the school in the event of fires.
-Kevlar and or Spectra type wall inserts to bullet proof walls.
-Kevlar or Spertra like layers on table and desk tops to be used as gun shields by students hunkering down in classrooms.
-Targetted acoustic or chemical suppression devices in school common places to stress, disorient, distract and hopefully suppress a shooter.
-All guns should be retroactively tagged or manufactured with digital transponders which, if disabled, also disable the gun. These should be tied to remote sensing and monitoring infrastructure in public places which can identify who possesses a fire arm and match it to their identity using facial and walking pattern recognition. If a person possesses an illegal firearm then the system notifies authorities and tracks the illegal possessor.
-Cities and towns should have the power to forbid the open carrying of loaded and non-disabled weapons in public spaces within their jurisdiction. In such places the right to own and bear arms would be limited to your own private property or other authorised sites like gun clubs and shooting ranges.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Mass shootings: Solution(s)

Is there just ONE thing that needs to be done to end (severely lessen, tbh) mass shootings, or is it a matter of fixing several things for a complete solution?

Leaving the question open and not naming any possibilities, although you are certainly free to mention them if you like.

Several things need to be fixed:
Enforcement of current laws, meaning instant reporting of those that become ineligible to buy and/or firearms.

Strong laws and sentencing for those that use firearms to commit a crime.

Stronger sentencing for those caught with an illegal weapon.

Better identification of mental health issues and better laws for authorities to be able to deal with them, such as mandatory evaluations of those identified and treatment if necessary.

Better education in our schools to educate our children while they are young that mental illness is just like any other illness and if caught early enough is often curable and by identifying those around them they are actually helping their fellow student or adult to get the help they need.

I am sure there are more, but those might be a good start.
 
Hmm...let me give my wish list.

1. Stop drugging our boys. For some reason our society has vilified normal boyish energy, labeling it as either ADD or ADHD. As a result, to "calm them down" we are allowing them to be drugged into submission so they act "nicer" in schools...behave more like girls do.

2. Stop pushing the idea that being a boy (male) is a bad thing. That his normal biological imperatives are somehow detrimental, and that simply being male makes him an automatic threat to all females unless he is controlled and feminized.

IMO those recent feminist ideals are repressing young males, confusing them, frustrating them, and either lead to rebellion and acting out or turns them into androgynous "cucks."

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

3. Spend some of that "social welfare" money on diagnosing what socio/psychological ills might be leading young men toward either of these extremes, and then develop mental health and other methods of addressing them.

4. Stop pushing the idea that a College education is the only key to success. Start advocating the value of trade schooling, engineering, and other hands-on "technical/things-oriented" careers that many males would prefer and have an interest in.


Sorry, I just wanna make sure I'm reading you correctly here. Are you suggesting the key to solving the issue of mass shootings is to pander to the MRA agenda?? AKA, you're blaming feminists for school shootings?
 
Sorry, I just wanna make sure I'm reading you correctly here. Are you suggesting the key to solving the issue of mass shootings is to pander to the MRA agenda?? AKA, you're blaming feminists for school shootings?

How many school shootings were done by females?

Young males are the principal culprits, either due to gang/crime related motives or some kind of gradually advancing mental or emotional issue(s) compelling them to act out in this anti-social way.

When did the latter type start? Guns have been a major part of our culture for quite some time, but most mass school shootings seem to have occurred after the Columbine shooting in Littleton Co. on 12/20/1999.

I'd say some cultural shifts have had an effect on our male youth in these latter decades, and IMO the things I listed are prime suspects.
 
How many school shootings were done by females?

Young males are the principal culprits, either due to gang/crime related motives or some kind of gradually advancing mental or emotional issue(s) compelling them to act out in this anti-social way.

When did the latter type start? Guns have been a major part of our culture for quite some time, but most mass school shootings seem to have occurred after the Columbine shooting in Littleton Co. on 12/20/1999.

I'd say some cultural shifts have had an effect on our male youth in these latter decades, and IMO the things I listed are prime suspects.

Well, that's quite the connection...sure wish were having this conversation on a Saturday, and I didn't have to work...could spend all day on this one. ;) Feminism to blame for school shootings. Who knew? For the record, though, it's not so much that being a boy is a bad thing...I've never even heard that, outside of MRA rants desperately seeking sympathy for non-existent problems...rather, being an asshole is a bad thing. That was something that wasn't taught for far too long, and I don't see how it impacts school shootings, but ok.

I agree with you on your points 1, 3, and 4 though...I think we also need to prepare our children for the fact that "low skilled" labor won't be a fall back position, due to automation, so skilled trades are likely the best route.
 
Take real steps to combat bullying in schools and social media.
Free mental health services for anyone who needs it.
Better security in schools. (not armed teachers). Guards, door hardware.
Parents taking more time with their children.

Not sure how to actually achieve these things.
 
I don't believe there's a perfect solution, but a combination of the below would certainly help, though it won't be cheap.

Universal mental health screenings throughout school age children. Nothing elaborate, just enough to get a sense of where the kid is psychologically, and whether they are dangerous. I'd like to see this as a pre-req for gun purchases, but that will be a tough sell.

Improving responses to warning signs, so that there are actually resources to commit to a clearly troubled kid, and the authority to apply them when a kid is flagged, either by the testing above, or by other sources. Recently, we've been all up in arms about the lack of response to all those reports, but it's less clear what that response would/should/could have been, and how it would have prevented anything but the immediate incident.

Somehow, we need to stop sensationalizing these killers. Part of what drives this is a desire to one-up the last killer. It's the fastest, easiest way to leave a permanent mark on the world, and we are an impatient and lazy society. Few ever knew who invented the transistor (certainly I forgot) but many know who Charles Whitman was (I've read books about the guy!)
 
Universal mental health screenings throughout school age children.

Believe it or not, we've already got much of that and more in place and have for decades with Child Find, special education and 504-financed evaluations, and EPSDT.

What we need more of is follow through and catching youth throughout the aging process, putting pressure on private insurance providers, and probably aiding primary care physicians in doing so.

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Take real steps to combat bullying in schools and social media.
Free mental health services for anyone who needs it.
Better security in schools. (not armed teachers). Guards, door hardware.
Parents taking more time with their children.

Not sure how to actually achieve these things.
I agree with almost all of that, but in particular I agree with free mental health services. We hear all the time about how, because of social media, bullying is a 24 hours a day deal now. Teenagers need help to deal with all of this added stress, and providing schools with easy access to therapists and psychologists could be extremely beneficial. I say providing schools with access because it seems like in a lot these situations the parents aren't especially aware of how their children really act or feel.
 
Mass shootings: Solution(s)

Is there just ONE thing that needs to be done to end (severely lessen, tbh) mass shootings, or is it a matter of fixing several things for a complete solution?

Leaving the question open and not naming any possibilities, although you are certainly free to mention them if you like.


1.The media should quit turning these mass murderer's into instant celebrities. We don't need to know what these murderers look like or know their names. Most of these high profile mass mass murders tend to be by suicidal social outcast losers who want their 15 minutes of fame. Some studies suggest that these happen in clusters and that its due to copycats trying to get famous too.

2.Arm the teachers and or have more armed security personal and have them scattered about the school. Don't concentrate them at one end of the school so that the potential mass shooter don't just hit the part of the school where no one is armed. As for the teachers if they want to carry make sure they do it concealed carry and they don't tell anyone other than the principal so that any potential mass shooters don't know who is armed and don't hit the part of the school where no one is armed,try to steal from a teacher they know has a gun and don't attack the school on day that teacher might be home sick. Sticking a sign on a school that says gun free zone is like a huge sign that says shoot all you want no one will stop you.

3.Concealed carry allowed in places other than schools since its not just schools that are targets of mass shootings.Citizens should be encouraged to exercise their 2nd amendment rights to keep and bear arms. I am not sure 2nd amendment opponents realize this but mass shooters tend to favor places where they know their potential victims will be unarmed. If the potential victims are unarmed it makes it extremely hard for someone to rack up a huge body count.Murders only involving a few people don't get national attention.
 
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