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Will the Parkland shooting push Generation Z towards gun control?

Will this change Gen Z's attitudes?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 43.8%

  • No

    Votes: 18 56.3%
  • Total voters
    32
haymarket said:
Who and when?
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JFK for one. Do I have to tell you when he was president? Or can you work that out on your iown?

Some of the right wings favorite Republican presidents came out for gun control.

Ronald Reagan for one. Here is the proof

https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.co...arch-to-the-national-rifle-associations-drum/
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Reagan was also a life member of the NRA. His later endorsement of the Brady Bill was little more then a gift to his former press secretary and wife. As I recall, he framed it that way at the time. However the Brady Bill had it been in effect at the time would not have prevented what happened on that attempted assassination. That 25 calibre pistol was not included in the Brady Bill ban, which expired in 10 years. And I have no issues with the background checks for purchasing firearms. As I have stated multiple times in these forums, I wish the hell that the law mandating that the mentally ill be reported to the national database for background checks be enforced.
 
haymarket said:
Your insulting vitriol directed at me is not debate. Perhaps it makes you feel better and puts you in line to be nominated for the NRA Warrior of the Month Award - but it is not debate on the issues.
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I am just pointing out your falsehoods about caring about the 2nd amendment. People who care about the 2nd amendment don't support the gun control you want.
 
I don't see how Gen Z could have much of a cohesive opinion on most political issues given that the oldest of them are barely able to vote.

And I don't see how this school shooting will change opinions more than any other.
 
ObamacareFail said:
As if you were anything close to an objective judge of that. And NRA membership is not a right wing versus left wing issue. The membership simply supports the second amendment.......and is at one with the quotes of the founding fathers I posted. Everything I believe about the right to bear arms is backed up by the founders quotes.



You are simply making that up as you go along. The NRA has always favored common sense gun legislation. What they do not favor is modern emotionally based gun bans that would do nothing to stop crime or mass shootings. They do support enforcing existing laws, including one that would have prevented the Parkland shooter and many others from passing background checks. They also support fixing our revolving door criminal justice system and further preventing felons from obtaining firearms. It is not NRA members who are zealots. You are in fact the zealot. The NRA wants to prevent felons and the mentally ill from getting guns. You and your ilk want to blame all gun violence on the gun itself rather then those who use them for mayhem and murder.
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I strongly urge you to read the excellent book by Michael Waldman THE SECOND AMENDMENT :A BIOGRAPHY. It details in painstaking detail how the NRA was once the group you described by it was hijacked and transformed by right wing politics over the last twenty plus years.

Its mission changed and its focus changed and its politics changed all because of that. Today it is a far right organization .
 
ObamacareFail said:
JFK for one. Do I have to tell you when he was president? Or can you work that out on your iown?



Reagan was also a life member of the NRA. His later endorsement of the Brady Bill was little more then a gift to his former press secretary and wife. As I recall, he framed it that way at the time. However the Brady Bill had it been in effect at the time would not have prevented what happened on that attempted assassination. That 25 calibre pistol was not included in the Brady Bill ban, which expired in 10 years. And I have no issues with the background checks for purchasing firearms. As I have stated multiple times in these forums, I wish the hell that the law mandating that the mentally ill be reported to the national database for background checks be enforced.
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JFK was a NRA member before the right wing take over of the organization making it something very very different that it was over fifty years ago.

Reagan signed the Mulford act while Governor of California and supported the Brady Bill. You can try to soft-soap it any way you want to but he did both which would be forbidden to the far right wing NRA today.
 
haymarket said:
JFK was a NRA member before the right wing take over of the organization making it something very very different that it was over fifty years ago.

Reagan signed the Mulford act while Governor of California and supported the Brady Bill. You can try to soft-soap it any way you want to but he did both which would be forbidden to the far right wing NRA today.
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As usual you are making up your own version of events. Reagan maintained his support and respect for the second amendment. He did not turn into a librul anti-gunner. Supporting the Brady Bill was a gift to the Brady's. And whether you like it or not, the NRA is nor a gaggle of right wing zealots, even if it may seem that way to libruls like yourself as the second amendment has been under attack for the last three decades. Anything other the total capitulation is right wing zealotry to you.

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Tekken_Guy said:
Generation Z is rumored to be more conservative than the millennials, and gun politics is certainly one of the issues where that's true. But will things change now?
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"Rumored".... please do better than that. That is nothing more than some impression you have. Therefore, its inclusion herein is moot. Please offer a cite.
 
ObamacareFail said:
As usual you are making up your own version of events. Reagan maintained his support and respect for the second amendment. He did not turn into a librul anti-gunner. Supporting the Brady Bill was a gift to the Brady's. And whether you like it or not, the NRA is nor a gaggle of right wing zealots, even if it may seem that way to libruls like yourself as the second amendment has been under attack for the last three decades. Anything other the total capitulation is right wing zealotry to you.

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You miss the point. Reagan supported gun control measures as a Governor and as a President and then as a private citizen. His positions today would be called liberal by the NRA and their toadies.

The Brady Bill was NOT a "gift to the Brady's" - as you phrased it. It was a gift to the American people.
 
haymarket said:
I strongly urge you to read the excellent book by Michael Waldman THE SECOND AMENDMENT :A BIOGRAPHY. It details in painstaking detail how the NRA was once the group you described by it was hijacked and transformed by right wing politics over the last twenty plus years.

Its mission changed and its focus changed and its politics changed all because of that. Today it is a far right organization .
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Your recommending him does not inspire me to buy the book and read it. I suspect he has the same lack of objectivity that you do.

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jamesrage said:
No.People who believe in the 2nd amendment will be opposed to any new gun control while people who oppose the 2nd amendment will support any new gun control regardless of how many or how few school shootings there are.
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You have a pretty simplistic view of people. Intelligent people are far more nuanced than that, thankfully.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Your recommending him does not inspire me to buy the book and read it. I suspect he has the same lack of objectivity that you do.

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I would not want to threaten your fragile belief system with actual facts that might challenge you. You probably have made a good decision for your own peace of mind.
 
haymarket said:
I would not want to threaten your fragile belief system with actual facts that might challenge you. You probably have made a good decision for your own peace of mind.
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Let not your heart be troubled. My belief system is never threatened and is much more solid then yours which is purely based on extremist left wing ideology.

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haymarket said:
You miss the point. Reagan supported gun control measures as a Governor and as a President and then as a private citizen. His positions today would be called liberal by the NRA and their toadies.

The Brady Bill was NOT a "gift to the Brady's" - as you phrased it. It was a gift to the American people.
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Perhaps his late civilian position on the Brady Bill..however, in regards to his position as governor of California. ..I believe he was a Democrat at the time.

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upsideguy said:
You have a pretty simplistic view of people. Intelligent people are far more nuanced than that, thankfully.
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Nothing simplistic about my view. I have been paying attention to 2nd amendment issues for awhile. Each new gun control law chips away the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment advocates know this and so do 2nd amendment opponents.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Let not your heart be troubled. My belief system is never threatened and is much more solid then yours which is purely based on extremist left wing ideology.

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Actually the book I recommended to you is based on historical facts.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Perhaps his late civilian position on the Brady Bill..however, in regards to his position as governor of California. ..I believe he was a Democrat at the time.

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No - he was a Republican at that time. RR served two terms as Governor running on the Republican Party.

In 1967, as Governor, he signed the Mulford Act regulating some firearms in the state.
 
haymarket said:
Actually the book I recommended to you is based on historical facts.
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Sorry. Based on what you have posted on this as many other issues, no offense, however, I do not trust that you are objective.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Sorry. Based on what you have posted on this as many other issues, no offense, however, I do not trust that you are objective.
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Forgive me if I am not bowled over by your insincere reaction. :doh:roll:
 
Hawkeye10 said:
This was more preventable than most, only America largely does not work anymore, and the kids are just waking up to that...they knew that things were not great, but they had no idea that America is this ill, and now the fear is setting in, and the disillusionment.
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You're projecting your own views. Kids do not think like this at all. Spend some time with them and learn who they are.
 
Generation Active Shooter Drill might not be as enamored with firearms as us oldsters for obvious reasons.
 
Kreton said:
Doesn't seem it. They are outraged at every school shooting and within a couple weeks they move on. Show me how motivated they are next Tuesday.
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Some are outraged. Shouldn't they be outraged?

For most, they look and fear.

This is like the true story of Quasimodo post Notre Dame.

The recession hit and Quasi lost his job. He started traveling from parish to parish seeking work. Finally, one priest signified they had an opening and urge Quasi to join him on the bell tower to demonstrate his bell ringing abilities. They climbed and climbed, and climbed some more. At last, both out of breath, they reached the top. As soon as their mutual gasping eased, the priest suggested Quasi show what he's got. Quasi took some deep breaths, stretched, and with all vigor he rang the bell. The priest said, "Good tone, but not quite what we're looking for. Why don't you try again with more oomph." This time Quasi did some deep breathing exercises, flexed his muscles, and took a power shot as he rang the bell. This time the priest said, "Close, but not quite the tonal precision we're seeking. I'll give you one more chance to attain the sound we truly seek." Now Quasi did some deep breathing exercises, a touch of Zen concentration, flexed and stretched his muscles, said a few short prayers and with all his vim and vigor gave the final bell ring all he had within him of his great strength. The priest exclaimed, "Perfect, you've got the job." Quasi got all excited, leaped on the bell with his inner joy, lost his grip and fell down the bell tower to his death. Well you know how when you have a fender bender no one is visible in the immediate area, but soon enough afterwards there's a crowd that gathers. Same thing, the priest ran down the stairway of the bell tower and by the time he reached the bottom a huge crowd had gathered. Someone the crowd shouted out "Does anyone know this poor soul?" The priest responded, "Not really but his face rings a bell."

If you can't trust your children, you shouldn't have had them.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Gen Z is between the ages of 5 and 21 right now. Former generations, when they were that age, felt similarly. Time changes everything, but at the age Gen Z'ers are right now, the majority still think they're immortal, so even when they learn of shootings like the last one, they won't seriously believe it could happen to them. That's why kids of that age drive too fast, take unnecessary risks and do incredibly stupid things.

But, in time, all that will change.
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The fallacy of homogenizing a vision of youth.
 
Bok_Tukalo said:
Generation Active Shooter Drill might not be as enamored with firearms as us oldsters for obvious reasons.
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Hard to say, my 20 year old son was a well known competitive shooter in his HS. He constantly had friends whose parents didn't own guns asking him if I would take them shooting
 
OldFatGuy said:
You're projecting your own views. Kids do not think like this at all. Spend some time with them and learn who they are.
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False, my observations are based upon experience.
 
TurtleDude said:
Hard to say, my 20 year old son was a well known competitive shooter in his HS. He constantly had friends whose parents didn't own guns asking him if I would take them shooting
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True. You never know. And my experience is limited to members of my family who are iGen, and their friends.

My rural family members of that age hunt and use firearms frequently. That is lifestyle I do not see changing. The urban/suburban side of the family of that age have no use for firearms.
 
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