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Should all "military-style" weapons be confiscated by the US government? [W:837]

Should "military style" weapons be confiscated by the US government?

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Josie said:
Also, if you watched the CNN Townhall last night with the students and staff at Parkland, you would've heard them vigorously applaud banning these types of weapons. If they were banned, could the police legally take possession of your AR-15 or rifle similar to it?

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Anyone who watched this from CNN should only have expected a one sided argument with made up facts and actual lies put forth. This is what CNN does, that and plant their audience and pick their desired answers for any poll the conduct.

They resolve nothing, only try to stir discontent and do a poor job at that.
 
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Arjay81 said:
Actually, it was written to pro0mote the beliefs of the founders. Hence the denial of citizenship to native Americans and slaves, or even freed people let alone women.

As usual, your beliefs are proven wrong, again.
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Oh look, you are using the classic conservative “I want to believe something, so I’m right because I say so” argument.

Once again, the Constitution was designed to reflect the will of the American people—and at the time of the founding, none of those positions were particularly controversial with most Americans.
 
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TurtleDude said:
as usual you read wrong. Gun banners want to threaten violence on gun owners but generally want someone else to do their dirty work. People in the UK don't get to enjoy dozens of shooting sports that people in the USA enjoy. I get the fact you are afraid of guns and I certainly don't believe you should have to own one if it causes you so much trepidation.

but stop telling the rest of us what we need or shouldn't have.
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Gun worshippers like the militia movement routinely threat law enforcement and the American people with violence. Barely a week before the Oklahoma City Bombing the NRA called law enforcement “jack-booted thugs”.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Gun worshippers like the militia movement routinely threat law enforcement and the American people with violence. Barely a week before the Oklahoma City Bombing the NRA called law enforcement “jack-booted thugs”.
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Representative John Dingell (D Michigan) was the one who started using the term Jack booted fascists"or thugs with reference the ATF. That was in reaction to several cases where the ATF killed homeowners without cause-in one case an ATF agent stomped a homeowners cat to death. I was a DOJ attorney when many of those excesses took place. Thankfully, in the districts I litigated, the ATF was run by professionals who weren't anti gun-just anti armed criminal
 
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TurtleDude said:
Representative John Dingell (D Michigan) was the one who started using the term Jack booted fascists"or thugs with reference the ATF. That was in reaction to several cases where the ATF killed homeowners without cause-in one case an ATF agent stomped a homeowners cat to death. I was a DOJ attorney when many of those excesses took place. Thankfully, in the districts I litigated, the ATF was run by professionals who weren't anti gun-just anti armed criminal
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And yet, nobody put a gun to Wayne LaPierre’s head and made him call law enforcement “jack booted thugs”. That was a deliberate choice, and in terms of attitude there hasn’t been much change since then.

And yet, “militia” thugs still decided to blow a government building sky high and murder more than a hundred people.
 
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TurtleDude said:
as usual you read wrong. Gun banners want to threaten violence on gun owners but generally want someone else to do their dirty work. People in the UK don't get to enjoy dozens of shooting sports that people in the USA enjoy. I get the fact you are afraid of guns and I certainly don't believe you should have to own one if it causes you so much trepidation.
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So a reduction in shooting sports gets us dramatically lower gun deaths and gun crimes? Sign me up.

but stop telling the rest of us what we need or shouldn't have.
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What do you think politics is about TurtleDude, doing whatever you decide?
 
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Tigerace117 said:
And yet, nobody put a gun to Wayne LaPierre’s head and made him call law enforcement “jack booted thugs”. That was a deliberate choice, and in terms of attitude there hasn’t been much change since then.

And yet, “militia” thugs still decided to blow a government building sky high and murder more than a hundred people.
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when a DUSM shot Sammy Weaver in the back and an FBI sniper shot Vicky Weaver in the head while she was armed with her baby, I'd say Wayne had some valid grounds.
 
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Mach said:
So a reduction in shooting sports gets us dramatically lower gun deaths and gun crimes? Sign me up.

What do you think politics is about TurtleDude, doing whatever you decide?
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You are ssuming facts not in evidence, Most gun crime is caused by peope who cannot legally own guns. You want to push laws that ONLY restrict the actions of people who don't cause trouble. And its pretty obvious that political paybacks are the main motivation of your goals. There is no substantial evidence that banning guns decreases crime. However it decreases legal uses of those guns-which I suspect is what you really want
 
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TurtleDude said:
You are ssuming facts not in evidence, Most gun crime is caused by peope who cannot legally own guns. You want to push laws that ONLY restrict the actions of people who don't cause trouble. And its pretty obvious that political paybacks are the main motivation of your goals. There is no substantial evidence that banning guns decreases crime. However it decreases legal uses of those guns-which I suspect is what you really want
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You think all the anti-gun arguments area *really* intended only to harm legal gun owners?

How can anyone take you seriously if you really mean that.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Oh look, you are using the classic conservative “I want to believe something, so I’m right because I say so” argument.

Once again, the Constitution was designed to reflect the will of the American people—and at the time of the founding, none of those positions were particularly controversial with most Americans.
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wrong as usual. the constitution was designed to reflect and protect the natural rights the founders believed man was endowed with by the creator. the constitution was designed to protect those natural rights from the whims of a mob and to shield our rights from pure democracy
 
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Mach said:
You think all the anti-gun arguments area *really* intended only to harm legal gun owners?

How can anyone take you seriously if you really mean that.
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well yes-lets look at the FACTS

undisputed fact #1: felons, fugitives, and others Congress has determined have lost their second amendment rights through due process of law-cannot possess any firearms legally

undisputed fact #2-any harmful thing you can do to someone else with gun is illegal unless you are able to successfully raise an affirmative action of excusable or justifiable use of force

Undisputed fact #3-pursuant to the fifth amendment, any law that requires a criminal to admit to owning or possessing a firearm cannot be used to prosecute the criminal since it violates his right against self-incrimination

Undisputed Fact #4-criminals cannot legally buy firearm

Undisputed Fact #5-there are over 300 million unregistered firearms in the USA now

Based on those facts

1) "assault weapon ban" only restrict the rights of those of us who can legally own firearms-not criminals

2) a waiting period to buy a firearm or requiring a license to buy a firearm only restricts the rights of those of us who can legally purchase a firearm from a dealer

3) Magazine restrictions only restrict the rights of those of us who can legally on a firearm-whether it can accept a firearm

4) requirements that firearms owners must buy insurance to own firearms doesn't impact those who cannot be forced to admit they own a firearm or those who bought a firearm from the black market
 
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Tigerace117 said:
It’s rather hard to “lie” or “mislead” in legislation and the enforcement of policies.

Your desperation is showing.
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How about passing laws and enforcement policies that are deemed unconstitutional? Seems to happen quite often.

Your gullibility is showing.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Oh look, you are using the classic conservative “I want to believe something, so I’m right because I say so” argument.

Once again, the Constitution was designed to reflect the will of the American people—and at the time of the founding, none of those positions were particularly controversial with most Americans.
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So now you are saying that those I mentioned are not people? At least to your way of thinking?

You better stop before you further destroy yourself with bigotry.
 
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TurtleDude said:
undisputed fact #1: felons, fugitives, and others Congress has determined have lost their second amendment rights through due process of law-cannot possess any firearms legally
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Lost? There's no gaining or misplacing natural rights. Transcendent, time and place. Perhaps "justly infringed or limited"?

If nitpicking is boring, I could claim the constitution creates rights and other nonsense.
 
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ecofarm said:
Lost? There's no gaining or misplacing natural rights. Transcendent, time and place. Perhaps "justly infringed or limited"?

If nitpicking is boring, I could claim the constitution creates rights and other nonsense.
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Congress and the courts have held that if you are proven to have done some actions, you forfeit some or all your rights

do you disagree with this?
 
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TurtleDude said:
Congress and the courts have held that if you are proven to have done some actions, you forfeit some or all your rights

do you disagree with this?
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To forfeit is to give up? There's something more to the term, but I'll disagree. That sort of sloppy language leads to stupid people believing natural rights come and go according to the whim of autocrats. No one can wave off their natural rights. Those rights are the property of the people and not an individual. They're natural social constructs.
 
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Mach said:
And there it is, TurtleDude threatens violence with guns, and wonders why people want to ban guns to reduce violence. You make your own case.

(p.s., the UK seems to do just fine without as many guns, with many officers without guns, etc., so everyone can see you're full of **** as usual). (and our military is 100x bigger than the UK (maybe not 100).)
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Very Dishonest of you. But hey you are in Texas, if they ever start trying to confiscate them here, as if that would ever happen, please lead the way into my neck of the woods and see how it goes for you. There are whole lot of ex-military and country boys here that are very well armed and trained and they will take it very personal. You will not make it past the first home before being involved in a running gun battle where you are out numbered and out gunned.
As for the military you seem to forget two things we are not British and our soldiers are fellow Americans, many would use their arms to fight the threat to their fellow Citizens, you really have Zero idea what you are talking about when it comes to the military or Americans, maybe less BS and more listening would help you learn, or not.
 
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ecofarm said:
To forfeit is to give up? There's something more to the term, but I'll disagree. That sort of sloppy language leads to stupid people believing natural rights come and go according to the whim of autocrats. No one can wave off their natural rights. Those rights are the property of the people and not an individual. They're natural social constructs.
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I don't see a disagreement worthy of further discussion. I am waiting for various fans of schemes that infringe on our rights explaining how laws that don't change the legal environment for criminals, while restricting what honest people can or may do, are designed to control "Crime"
 
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TurtleDude said:
I don't see a disagreement worthy of further discussion. I am waiting for various fans of schemes that infringe on our rights explaining how laws that don't change the legal environment for criminals, while restricting what honest people can or may do, are designed to control "Crime"
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Sporks only. And no pointy corners.
 
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Emperor Tweeto has it all figured out.

“If a potential ‘sicko shooter’ knows that a school has a large number of very weapons talented teachers (and others) who will be instantly shooting, the sicko will NEVER attack that school,” he continued. “Cowards won’t go there … problem solved.”
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-rant-arming-teachers
 
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Redress said:
It would be a really short civil war, as a few gun nuts learn that they are not as tough as they think. Evolution in action kinda thing maybe.
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I think the British were surprised when they had the same idea. In fact, when those "gun nuts" got a little organization, the British commander surveying the 22 Continental Infantry he was quoted as exclaiming , "those are Regulars, By God".Then they kicked his ***. Don't play down the American backbone. We still have it, in spite of you liberals
 
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Casper said:
Very Dishonest of you. But hey you are in Texas, if they ever start trying to confiscate them here, as if that would ever happen, please lead the way into my neck of the woods and see how it goes for you. There are whole lot of ex-military and country boys here that are very well armed and trained and they will take it very personal. You will not make it past the first home before being involved in a running gun battle where you are out numbered and out gunned.
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Again, threatening violence is all you have, to argue that guns don't result in violence? Classy! And proves the point.

As for the military you seem to forget two things we are not British and our soldiers are fellow Americans, many would use their arms to fight the threat to their fellow Citizens, you really have Zero idea what you are talking about when it comes to the military or Americans, maybe less BS and more listening would help you learn, or not.
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You claim I have zero idea of what I'm talking about. That's your big contribution to a reasoned discussion? That's your "big gun"? Maybe you need some more guns to compensate for your poor debate skills?
 
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Arjay81 said:
So now you are saying that those I mentioned are not people? At least to your way of thinking?

You better stop before you further destroy yourself with bigotry.
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Ah, and now we see card #2 of the conservative playbook, the faux victimhood card, coming out. You lot seem utterly convinced that you and your precious toys, rather than those who have been killed or watched their friends be murdered in front of their eyes, are the "real victims" here. It's a level of self centeredness not emulated by even those you hate the most, and it's certainly what drives your fanatical abuse of anyone who dares oppose your beloved holy relics.

I'm not even going to bother to deal with the pathetic display you put on in this post.
 
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Arjay81 said:
How about passing laws and enforcement policies that are deemed unconstitutional? Seems to happen quite often.

Your gullibility is showing.
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Something being deemed unconstitutional by your pet "scholars" or by those obsessed with their holy relics, is utterly and totally meaningless. Case in point, the shrieks that FDR should have been charged with "treason" by another one of the gun obsessives on this forum.
 
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TurtleDude said:
wrong as usual. the constitution was designed to reflect and protect the natural rights the founders believed man was endowed with by the creator. the constitution was designed to protect those natural rights from the whims of a mob and to shield our rights from pure democracy
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And yet, the founders enabled the constitution to be altered, making it perfectly clear that they did not, in fact, want the Constitution and its' material frozen in time forever, but rather to be able to change and evolve in conjunction with the will of the American people.

The founders, unlike many people alive today, were wise enough to understand that the situation of their day and the wishes of people of their time would not always apply fifty, a hundred, two hundred years down the line.

And indeed, that's why the constitution has been amended repeatedly---because the values and wishes of the American people have changed over time.
 
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