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Should all "military-style" weapons be confiscated by the US government? [W:837]

Should "military style" weapons be confiscated by the US government?

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Re: Should all "military-style" weapons be confiscated by the US government?

Tigerace117 said:
Are the police conducting terrorist attacks now? No? Then there is no equivalence. As usual.
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Depends on one's definition. But fundamentally the police are supposed to be a civilian branch, so why should the People be restricted to have that which the police can?
 
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TurtleDude said:
that's just plain idiotic. so you want to pretend that the second amendment doesn't prevent the commerce clause to ban guns even though no one even hints that the founders thought the CC even should apply to individuals
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The founders thought the will of the people was more important than any particular idea set down in the constitution. The founders also thought that what the people wanted was far more important than the wants of a few people no matter how fixated they were on their firearms---which, of course, the founders would have found bizarre.
 
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Ikari said:
Depends on one's definition. But fundamentally the police are supposed to be a civilian branch, so why should the People be restricted to have that which the police can?
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But the police's job sets them apart from the public; indeed, they are supposed to be protecting the public. The people, on the other hand, have reliably proven themselves unable to handle the same level of responsibility, or even a minimal level of responsibility.
 
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Samuel Colt and Sir Walter Raleigh both created two of the deadliest things ever invented. That said, we have to treat guns like tobacco.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
But the police's job sets them apart from the public; indeed, they are supposed to be protecting the public. The people, on the other hand, have reliably proven themselves unable to handle the same level of responsibility, or even a minimal level of responsibility.
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I guess when they're not busy shooting folk or busting down the wrong doors, lol.

The police are people too, and given to the same levels (if not more) of irresponsibility and abuse of power. So if they get to have certain weapons, then so should the People. Stated otherwise, that which you are not comfortable with the average citizen possessing, you should equally be uncomfortable with police possessing.
 
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Ikari said:
I guess when they're not busy shooting folk or busting down the wrong doors, lol.

The police are people too, and given to the same levels (if not more) of irresponsibility and abuse of power. So if they get to have certain weapons, then so should the People. Stated otherwise, that which you are not comfortable with the average citizen possessing, you should equally be uncomfortable with police possessing.
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Yes, the police shoot people sometimes. That’s part of their job. The “people” meanwhile are busily working themselves up into a partisan froth yet again.


Except for the fact that history has repeatedly shown the people to not be able to handle anywhere near the same level of responsibility as the police, so why should anyone let them be as heavily armed? It’s a recipe for disaster.
 
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Trump has made a decent decision for once (IMHO) and I have always said, if I think he made a good decision I should own up to it. And if he really did instruct the Justice department to ban bump stocks, then he made a good choice and the right choice (again, IMHO).

I still dislike the guy to the maximum but even complete opponents should honestly state when he does the right thing or else it will devolve in pure partisan nonsense all the time. And a good decision should come above partisan bickering.
 
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I don't think they should be banned. But, as during Prohibition it became obvious that unregulated use of machine guns was NOT in the best interest of public safety I think it's become equally obvious that semi-auto rifles with a box magazine or clip are a danger to public safety. Simply saying "Military Style" would give the Government too broad of control over civilian gun ownership. But, it's become obvious that semi-auto rifles with box magazines or clip fed need to be controlled with the same rules as machine guns.

Federal law strictly regulates machine guns (firearms that fire many rounds of ammunition, without manual reloading, with a single pull of the trigger).
Among other things, federal law:
1. requires all machine guns, except antique firearms, not in the U.S. government's possession to be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF);
2. bars private individuals from transferring or acquiring machine guns except those lawfully possessed and registered before May 19, 1986;
3. requires anyone transferring or manufacturing machine guns to get prior ATF approval and register the firearms;
4. with very limited exceptions, imposes a $200 excise tax whenever a machine gun is transferred;
5. bars interstate transport of machine guns without ATF approval; and
6. imposes harsh penalties for machine gun violations, including imprisonment of up to 10 years, a fine of up to $250,000, or both for possessing an unregistered machine gun.
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Adding box fed or clip fed semi-autos to that legislation has become necessary. Registration of such rifles with the ATF should have a stiff registration fee of at least $1500.00 per weapon. If you want to legally keep yours, then comply or give it up ... your choice.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Yes, the police shoot people sometimes. That’s part of their job. The “people” meanwhile are busily working themselves up into a partisan froth yet again.


Except for the fact that history has repeatedly shown the people to not be able to handle anywhere near the same level of responsibility as the police, so why should anyone let them be as heavily armed? It’s a recipe for disaster.
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Are the police not of the people themselves? And certainly have shown penchant for abuse and irresponsibility themselves. If you don't want the citizens to have certain types of weapons, perhaps neither should the police.
 
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TurtleDude said:
that's not a response
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So essentially what you are portraying to me is that you are as simple as your responses. You cannot provide any facts or statistics or even a detailed answer to support what you state. You state only opinion and perception. Instead you put in smart arse remarks about "that's not a response" when you cannot even put capital letters at the beginning of sentences, use punctuation or utilise a period.
 
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StuPedaso said:
I don't think they should be banned. But, as during Prohibition it became obvious that unregulated use of machine guns was NOT in the best interest of public safety I think it's become equally obvious that semi-auto rifles with a box magazine or clip are a danger to public safety. Simply saying "Military Style" would give the Government too broad of control over civilian gun ownership. But, it's become obvious that semi-auto rifles with box magazines or clip fed need to be controlled with the same rules as machine guns.



Adding box fed or clip fed semi-autos to that legislation has become necessary. Registration of such rifles with the ATF should have a stiff registration fee of at least $1500.00 per weapon. If you want to legally keep yours, then comply or give it up ... your choice.
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Your "guidelines" would include something like a Ruger 10/22 which is ludicrous, so No, not gonna happen, most would simply not comply.
 
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Casper said:
Your "guidelines" would include something like a Ruger 10/22 which is ludicrous, so No, not gonna happen, most would simply not comply.
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Not "MY" guidelines, those "guidelines" are taken right out of the National Firearms Act. It's not ludicrous, 22's are in fact deadly weapons and should be included otherwise they Ruger 10/22 and copy cats would become the new AR or AK weapon of choice for mass shooters. The National Firearms Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act is a great law that's saved many lives, it could and should be applied to Box Magazine or Clip fed Semi-Auto rifles. I think the threat of a $250,000 dollar fine (in the Act) would ensure compliance.
 
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Military style? What's that?
 
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StuPedaso said:
Not "MY" guidelines, those "guidelines" are taken right out of the National Firearms Act. It's not ludicrous, 22's are in fact deadly weapons and should be included otherwise they Ruger 10/22 and copy cats would become the new AR or AK weapon of choice for mass shooters. The National Firearms Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act is a great law that's saved many lives, it could and should be applied to Box Magazine or Clip fed Semi-Auto rifles. I think the threat of a $250,000 dollar fine (in the Act) would ensure compliance.
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You really do not know much about firearms, but that was a given.
Nope, it would not make people comply, maybe a few sheep will but the vast majority would simply not comply and the government does not know what people own and never will.
 
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StuPedaso said:
I don't think they should be banned. But, as during Prohibition it became obvious that unregulated use of machine guns was NOT in the best interest of public safety I think it's become equally obvious that semi-auto rifles with a box magazine or clip are a danger to public safety. Simply saying "Military Style" would give the Government too broad of control over civilian gun ownership. But, it's become obvious that semi-auto rifles with box magazines or clip fed need to be controlled with the same rules as machine guns.



Adding box fed or clip fed semi-autos to that legislation has become necessary. Registration of such rifles with the ATF should have a stiff registration fee of at least $1500.00 per weapon. If you want to legally keep yours, then comply or give it up ... your choice.
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unconstitutional.

come and get them-
 
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TurtleDude said:
unconstitutional.
come and get them-
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If we pass the law, I'll help confiscate your ****, sure. Thanks for the invitation. Or were you threatening us all? Surely not.
 
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Josie said:
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Weapons like the AR-15 and those similar have been used in many mass shootings in the US. Should all of these weapons like the above be confiscated by the US government?
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What makes you ask such a question? I don't think anybody would support this. Most countries that even banned these weapons don't confiscate them. They usually have buy backs and exchanges. Yeah, some people don't turn their weapons in. My husband knows people who own illegal machine guns, and he has fired illegal machine guns as a hobby. So in reality, all those guns will not be removed from society. The purpose is to make access not as easy. If you're a gun enthusiast like my husband, you know how to get your hands on them.
 
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Ikari said:
Are the police not of the people themselves? And certainly have shown penchant for abuse and irresponsibility themselves. If you don't want the citizens to have certain types of weapons, perhaps neither should the police.
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And yet, those cases have been the exception, not the rule. Making it easier for "the people" to abuse each other, and to violently resist when forces of order arrive to spoil their "fun" is not a smart idea.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
And yet, those cases have been the exception, not the rule. Making it easier for "the people" to abuse each other, and to violently resist when forces of order arrive to spoil their "fun" is not a smart idea.
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Neither is the militarization of the police, yet you seem ok with that. The police are people too and given to the same failure modes that anyone else is given too, plus they wield the sovereignty of the people through their position. To believe that by mere virtue of the badge they are able to act more responsibly and with less ability to be irresponsible is foolhardy at best.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I'd consider restrictions on firearms for the People on large if those same restrictions are imposed on our police officers. At the very least, anything afforded to the police should be obtainable by the People.
 
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Casper said:
You really do not know much about firearms, but that was a given.
Nope, it would not make people comply, maybe a few sheep will but the vast majority would simply not comply and the government does not know what people own and never will.
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I think the threat of 10 years in prison and/or a $250,000.00 fine just might surprise you just how many people would comply; how many people do you know that own a machine gun?
 
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StuPedaso said:
I don't think they should be banned. But, as during Prohibition it became obvious that unregulated use of machine guns was NOT in the best interest of public safety I think it's become equally obvious that semi-auto rifles with a box magazine or clip are a danger to public safety. Simply saying "Military Style" would give the Government too broad of control over civilian gun ownership. But, it's become obvious that semi-auto rifles with box magazines or clip fed need to be controlled with the same rules as machine guns.



Adding box fed or clip fed semi-autos to that legislation has become necessary. Registration of such rifles with the ATF should have a stiff registration fee of at least $1500.00 per weapon. If you want to legally keep yours, then comply or give it up ... your choice.
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The cops were being outgunned.
 
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TurtleDude said:
unconstitutional.

come and get them-
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No, it's not unconstitutional, the National Firearms Act has been on the books since the 1930's. It just needs to be amended to include semi-auto rifles fed by a clip or box magazine. Outlawing "assault weapons" just makes manufacturers put stupid looking stocks on their rifles.
 
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Josie said:
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Weapons like the AR-15 and those similar have been used in many mass shootings in the US. Should all of these weapons like the above be confiscated by the US government?
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The key word is style, since there's a world of difference between military-style and military in the realm of fully automatic weapons.
 
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StuPedaso said:
No, it's not unconstitutional, the National Firearms Act has been on the books since the 1930's. It just needs to be amended to include semi-auto rifles fed by a clip or box magazine. Outlawing "assault weapons" just makes manufacturers put stupid looking stocks on their rifles.
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Really? Then why hasn't it been done? You better contact Senator Feinstein, because she's been looking for just such an easy angle.
 
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StuPedaso said:
No, it's not unconstitutional, the National Firearms Act has been on the books since the 1930's. It just needs to be amended to include semi-auto rifles fed by a clip or box magazine. Outlawing "assault weapons" just makes manufacturers put stupid looking stocks on their rifles.
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Why, exactly, should many millions of semi-auto rifles (shotguns and pistols?) be suddenly made illegal and how would that not be seen as a gross infringment of the 2A?
 
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