If the FBI had bias....

Let's pretend hypothetically that the FBI, CIA, and our general intelligence community did, in fact, have a political bias. Not saying they do, but let's pretend they did. Which side of the political spectrum do you think they'd be most likely to lean towards?

The FBI and the CIA are made up almost entirely of ex-military members. Most of which are men, most of which are white, most of which believe strongly in the ability of our military to do great things and solve all kinds of problems. All incredibly patriotic perhaps even to a fault in many cases. Which political party if any do you think that group of people would be most likely to skew towards if they skew at all? Democrats or Republicans?

MrWonka said:

Let's pretend hypothetically that the FBI, CIA, and our general intelligence community did, in fact, have a political bias. Not saying they do, but let's pretend they did. Which side of the political spectrum do you think they'd be most likely to lean towards?

The FBI and the CIA are made up almost entirely of ex-military members. Most of which are men, most of which are white, most of which believe strongly in the ability of our military to do great things and solve all kinds of problems. All incredibly patriotic perhaps even to a fault in many cases. Which political party if any do you think that group of people would be most likely to skew towards if they skew at all? Democrats or Republicans?

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I personally am long time friends with 2 FBI agents, both are Repubs to the core as are most of their fellow agents. Most law enforcement officers tend to lean to the right and as far as I am concerned that is fine, one can have any political opinion one wants so long as they enforce the laws on the books and do so in a judicious and proper manner per their own training, experience and department regulations and guidelines.

MrWonka said:

Let's pretend hypothetically that the FBI, CIA, and our general intelligence community did, in fact, have a political bias. Not saying they do, but let's pretend they did. Which side of the political spectrum do you think they'd be most likely to lean towards?

The FBI and the CIA are made up almost entirely of ex-military members. Most of which are men, most of which are white, most of which believe strongly in the ability of our military to do great things and solve all kinds of problems. All incredibly patriotic perhaps even to a fault in many cases. Which political party if any do you think that group of people would be most likely to skew towards if they skew at all? Democrats or Republicans?

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What would concern me more is what actual lean the politically appointed leadership has and how has if influenced their professional actions.

I recall Bush 41 ran the CIA before becoming VP, just a couple years before American Hero[SUP]®[/SUP] Ollie North saved us from the South American Commies by selling weapons to Iran.

It probably changes by the decade. The leadership currently seems to have a heavy Democrat bias...

Boy Scout Republicans, probably. Good guys with a old style Republican political philosophy.

But not Trump Republicans. There may be some of those but I think they would be in the minority and would be watched closely since Trump Republicans are transactional. Zero integrity.

celticwar17 said:

It probably changes by the decade. The leadership currently seems to have a heavy Democrat bias...

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Um, no. The FBI - like every other law enforcement agency (and the military, mind you) - has always had a marked conservative lean. The only reason you're thinking the FBI has a Democratic bias is that that's what you've been told day in and day out by right-wing media in their crusade to "save" Trump...because far be it from any of you to think that maybe, just maybe the FBI might actually be trying to do its duty, and that Trump has actually - and publicly - committed more crimes than any other president in our nation's history.

But I get it - better to have a president to do Putin's bidding (even when Congress votes a combined 528-7 to impose sanctions on Russia), better to have a president who has had affairs with porn stars after his wife gives birth, better to have a president who endorses an accused child molester, better to have a president who picked an avowed white nationalist as his senior adviser, better to have a president who picked a Turkish agent as National Security Adviser (our "top spy"), better to have a president who STILL has senior staff who can't get a full security clearance for those who can see almost all our deepest secrets...

...better - in the eyes of the Right - to have someone that bad than to have a Democrat in office.

celticwar17 said:

It probably changes by the decade. The leadership currently seems to have a heavy Democrat bias...

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HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

You really believe that, don't you? Who appointed the current leadership by the way?

Let's take a quick look at the last three FBI Directors, shall we......

1.) Robert Mueller(also the special counsel tasked with investigating the Russian interference): A registered Republican who was appointed by George W. Bush.

2.) James Comey: Used to be registered as a Republican. Only recently identified himself as unaffiliated. Was lambasted by Democrats for re-opening a pointless investigation into Hillary Clinton 11 days before the election. A move which many think may have cost Clinton Millions of votes, and possibly the election particularly when combined with the Russian interference.

3.) Chris Wray: Also a lifelong Republican. Nominated by Donald Trump himself.

So please. Explain to us all how it would be possible for a FBI leadership to have a heavy bias in favor of Democrats despite the fact that the last three consecutive directors of the FBI were registered Republicans?

MrWonka said:

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

You really believe that, don't you? Who appointed the current leadership by the way?

Let's take a quick look at the last three FBI Directors, shall we......

1.) Robert Mueller(also the special counsel tasked with investigating the Russian interference): A registered Republican who was appointed by George W. Bush.

2.) James Comey: Used to be registered as a Republican. Only recently identified himself as unaffiliated. Was lambasted by Democrats for re-opening a pointless investigation into Hillary Clinton 11 days before the election. A move which many think may have cost Clinton Millions of votes, and possibly the election particularly when combined with the Russian interference.

3.) Chris Wray: Also a lifelong Republican. Nominated by Donald Trump himself.

So please. Explain to us all how it would be possible for a FBI leadership to have a heavy bias in favor of Democrats despite the fact that the last three consecutive directors of the FBI were registered Republicans?

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I do believe it, those people aren't the only players in the leadership. And I don't think it necessarily matters what they were registered with in the past.

GWB was just as much of Democrat as he was a republican, all is policies were pretty much establishment Democrat and Republican at the time... I had no idea why the democrat party hated him so much lol.

Republican bias. And I think that's been the case for many years. The current leadership (as well as former Director Comey) are all Republicans.

Just like you can make the argument that the bias in academia leans left, and the bias in banking leans right. The bias in the FBI and CIA is right leaning, hence my answer.

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I do believe it, those people aren't the only players in the leadership.

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Yeah, see the way top-down organizations work is that the guy at the top of it gets to decide who his immediate subordinates are, then they decide their subordinates and so on. So if you have three consecutive FBI directors that were all Republicans it stands to reason that they favored other like minded subordinates and gave them higher up positions more often than not. That combined with the objective reality that the pool of leaders to choose from has an inordinately high number of Republicans in it as well, and your beliefs become nonsensically stupid.

celticwar17 said:

And I don't think it necessarily matters what they were registered within the past.

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Yeah, it does actually. It matters a lot. You see bias is when you have a reason to agree with one side of an argument for some reason other than it makes the most sense. If these men are Republicans or where Republicans it stands to reason that they wouldn't want to do damage to the people the generally side with politically unless there is a really good reason to. If they're jumping ship on the Republican party now that Trump is in control of it that tells at the very least they have an open mind and care about specific principles more than they do about party affiliation. If they wont side with Republicans just because they're republicans that tells us they definately wont side with Democrats just because they're Democrats.

celticwar17 said:

GWB was just as much of Democrat as he was a Republican, all is policies were pretty much establishment Democrat and Republican at the time... I had no idea why the democrat party hated him so much lol.

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Sorry, but Wars, trickle-down economics, gay bashing, and religious nutters are not really big in the Democratic party. We also like leaders who have the ability to speak the English language.

George W. Bush was the most far-right nut job every elected president until Trump was. The fact that you would try and claim Bush is kind of a Democrat just speaks to how far off the reservation you and your ilk are. You've become so radicalized at this point that no prominate Republican leader of the last half century wants to be associated with you. You keep moving further and further to the extreme right while the Democratic party keeps moving toward the middle.

MrWonka said:

George W. Bush was the most far-right nut job every elected president until Trump was.

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False... The democrat party was anti-gay marriage and the implementer's of don't ask don't tell, until VERY recently...

celticwar17 said:

False... The democrat party was anti-gay marriage and the implementer's off don't ask don't tell, until VERY recently...

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Ummm.....what now? Yes, the world is evolving, and you're not. We got that.

Maybe I should have rephrased that for you. You're not moving Right. You're staying put, while the rest of the world evolves. The country as a whole is moving left because they're realizing how much sense the left makes. You're just delusionally hanging onto a world that doesn't exist anymore and never should have. We're all driving horseless carriages now, and you're over there trying to destroy the auto industry so we can get back to riding horses everywhere we went.

There comes a point in every generation where they get too old and too closed minded to continue leading. It's time for baby boomers to retire, and let the world refresh itself. You can't stop the future. It's coming whether you like it or not. You've become a dead weight dragging America down, while our competition is lapping us.

MrWonka said:

Ummm.....what now? Yes, the world is evolving, and you're not. We got that.

Maybe I should have rephrased that for you. You're not moving Right. You're staying put, while the rest of the world evolves.

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What? Where have a said my personal opinions/positions into this?

My personal views on gay marriage are completely irrelevant.... I happen to be in favor. GWB was a Liberal Establishment President, for his time... of course.

I happen to be quite left wing in a lot of ways... I am a classic liberal

Though the biggest and most dangerous Ideology in America, and in the world today are the extreme Leftists in my opinion... so it may seem i'm "right" wing, because I think they are the most important people to be wary of and to address. Trump has enough of haters, I don't need to preach to the choir.

celticwar17 said:

What? Where have a said my personal opinions/positions into this?

My personal views on gay marriage are completely irrelevant.... I happen to be in favor. GWB was a Liberal Establishment President, for his time... of course.

I happen to be quite left wing in a lot of ways... I am a classic liberal

Though the biggest and most dangerous Ideology in America, and in the world today are the extreme Leftists in my opinion... so it may seem i'm "right" wing, because I think they are the most important people to be wary of and to address. Trump has enough of haters, I don't need to preach to the choir.

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Must be feeling wistful today...your post got me wishing for the pre-Trump days when the right and the left could debate policy without hating each other for their differences of opinion. It was a bit false, since there were certainly people without voices, but at least it was nice to feel like we could all get along.

You make good points with your other stuff...but ultimately I don't think these FBI and CIA guys are driven by bias rather than by duty. They've been around a long time before Trump got in, and while there has been problems with corruption, it was more the for profit variety, and not as systemic as Trump and right wing media would like us to believe. Either they just all went crazy when Trump got in (which I doubt, since the psychological testing should have vetted that risk out), or they are doing their jobs like they always have.

I do find it funny (not accusing you, just speaking in general) that many of the folks who stand behind law enforcement unquestioningly when they are criticized by groups like BLM and ANTIFA, will suddenly throw them under the bus when Trump demands it.

Crazy world.

MrWonka said:

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

You really believe that, don't you? Who appointed the current leadership by the way?

Let's take a quick look at the last three FBI Directors, shall we......

1.) Robert Mueller(also the special counsel tasked with investigating the Russian interference): A registered Republican who was appointed by George W. Bush.

2.) James Comey: Used to be registered as a Republican. Only recently identified himself as unaffiliated. Was lambasted by Democrats for re-opening a pointless investigation into Hillary Clinton 11 days before the election. A move which many think may have cost Clinton Millions of votes, and possibly the election particularly when combined with the Russian interference.

3.) Chris Wray: Also a lifelong Republican. Nominated by Donald Trump himself.

So please. Explain to us all how it would be possible for a FBI leadership to have a heavy bias in favor of Democrats despite the fact that the last three consecutive directors of the FBI were registered Republicans?

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Robert Ohr, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strozk, James (?)Rybicki, David Laufman. There are just as many diehard Democrats in the FBI leadership as there are Republicans. Comey was just an establishment politician. He was attempting to maintain his own power base.

You are looking at it the wrong way. No one in the beltway thought Trump could win. It wasn't a matter of ordinary politics it was plain old CYA internal things with a few partisan players taking advantage of the situation in which people thought Hillary would be the next president and it would be a bad idea to piss her off right from the jump.

All of the US intelligence people I know lean right.

Law enforcement, intelligence and military, on average, lean right. Other civil servants such as state department tend to lean left.

They show bias to whoever appointed the current director

I'd have thought the most pro cop group but it seems like they wanted a whole bunch of Clinton or Sanders. Now here is the kicker, if it is shown that the FBI had a true bias against Trump and they dig up some dirt, I say he instantly gets a pass.

Casper said:

I personally am long time friends with 2 FBI agents, both are Repubs to the core as are most of their fellow agents. Most law enforcement officers tend to lean to the right and as far as I am concerned that is fine, one can have any political opinion one wants so long as they enforce the laws on the books and do so in a judicious and proper manner per their own training, experience and department regulations and guidelines.

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I think the lame point the OP is trying to make is that the FBI would be siding with Trump because he is a Republican.

The truth is that most people can see through that facade and that he was a Democrat all his life so no, the FBI would not side with somebody that they think became a Republican just to win the election.

OlNate said:

Must be feeling wistful today...your post got me wishing for the pre-Trump days when the right and the left could debate policy without hating each other for their differences of opinion. It was a bit false, since there were certainly people without voices, but at least it was nice to feel like we could all get along.

You make good points with your other stuff...but ultimately I don't think these FBI and CIA guys are driven by bias rather than by duty. They've been around a long time before Trump got in, and while there has been problems with corruption, it was more the for profit variety, and not as systemic as Trump and right wing media would like us to believe. Either they just all went crazy when Trump got in (which I doubt, since the psychological testing should have vetted that risk out), or they are doing their jobs like they always have.

I do find it funny (not accusing you, just speaking in general) that many of the folks who stand behind law enforcement unquestioningly when they are criticized by groups like BLM and ANTIFA, will suddenly throw them under the bus when Trump demands it.

Crazy world.

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You spelled Obama wrong.

Leadership at these agencies may be naturally conservative but they are part of the Washington establishment and don't like Trump. And they definitely distrust the Russians, and if they think Trump benefited in any way from Russian meddling, even if Trump wasn't involved, they would go after Trump. Never mind that we spent over five billion dollars meddling in their politics getting Boris Yeltsin elected, so the Russians see it as payback, literally. Trump was the perfect candidate for the Russians; an outsider greatly disliked by the American political class. Couldn't get any better from their point of view.