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Who Will You Vote For In 2020?

Who Will You Vote For In 2020?


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Of course not, that's my point. Both sides do the same thing.



Sure they do, but there's not much of a difference between the sides. So I may keep "voting for parties and candidates that have zero chance", but at least I'm not deluding myself into thinking that somehow supporting the status quo is going to change the status quo. Perhaps if more people started to understand that, to get out from the hyperpartisan rhetoric and hatred, to think and actually look at the system as see how, despite R or D, we've been progressing; those parties may start having more than a zero chance. And only when you threaten the actual power of the Republocrats will you get the Republocrats to change.

Supporting the status quo doesn't change it, it only encourages it.



Wow, kinda lost it there a bit, eh? Well ad homs and meltdowns will not win an argument.

Our system for paying teachers - hell, education itself - in this country is insane.
Now we've appointed a person who is heavily invested in destroying public education altogether!

And yet you are blissfully unaware of the fact that a nation such as ours be so penurious about one of its fundamental responsibilities because you don't understand that the Democratic Party was the mainstay of public education, in favor of subsidized community colleges and is finally gathering enough steam to where it may very well be in favor of subsidized or even free university education.

We keep reaping the return on our meager and paltry investment year after year after year, and we refuse to admit that squandering our investment in education in favor of prisons results in less education and more prisoners.
Which party is the one in favor of more prisons and less schools?
Oh right, the one that just reversed Obama's policy on getting RID OF private prisons altogether, the Republicans.

WORKERS:
Most of our economy depends on workers, yet they have been neglected for decades and deemed "The enemy" by Republican ideologues. Unions are the backbone of the American workforce, yet the concerted effort to destroy them had been effective, and is likely to be completed by the Supreme Court this term.

You seem to not even understand that unions are responsible for almost everything they take for granted - vacations, overtime, pensions, social security, health care insurance, limited work weeks, safety and environmental progress, even for NON-UNION workers, who finally began to enjoy those benefits. But all that is evaporating now.

kinda lost it there a bit, eh?
Nope, I am right on target. You're in denial.

Well ad homs and meltdowns
You deserve the ad homs...100%, and twenty bucks says I hit every single checkbox in your profile, Mister Anime fanboi.

And your wet dream of threatening this fantasy target called "Republocrats" is just another cop out, the tired old fool's errand called "both parties are the same", which is bull****.

Good is the enemy of perfect for your crowd, because you don't grasp the concept of politics being the art of the possible.
To you, it's just another Pokemon Go! session, and if you can't find your Squirtle pokemon, you're taking your toys, going home and sulking.

Yup, you voted for Jill Stein, except twenty more bucks says you didn't even vote at all.
For you and yours, any price was worth paying to punish the Democratic Party as long as YOU weren't the ones paying it.

Voting Records of the Parties
Voting Records of the Parties

You're basically regurgitating the same agitprop that comes from 55 Savushkina Street when you're not pretending to be interested in social justice (while NOT voting, mind you) and in the end, as has been said and demonstrated, you're helping the Republicans WIN WIN WIN.

But again, you don't have to pay the price because you're not part of the communities being directly impacted by the consequences. So it's cheap for you.

And pretending that my statements are a "meltdown" is nothing more than just projection.
 

You complain about all this stuff, but what did Obama do for any of that? We had 8 years, why is our education still crap? Where's are "free" education? Michelle talked about school lunches, but what ever became of that? A few programs to help out, but nutrition and quality weren't fundamentally addressed, nor how school lunches are provided/paid for. Have you seen how they do school lunches in other countries? Even Obamacare was some crap system designed to guarantee insurance companies 100% consumerism. The only real thing that happened there dealt with pre-existing conditions. Where was Hillary going to go? We weren't going to get free college. We may have gotten a lot of talk on free college, but we wouldn't have gotten it. We may have rigged something to pay banks more though, Republocrats love Wall Street. Obama showed us that with his bailouts of the banks and Wall Street while flipping the bird to the common man when the stock market finally crashed.


While I do agree that we shouldn't have private prisons, WTF does that do to solve anything about prison population? That starting really picking up after the War on Drugs, but we've had Clinton and Obama since...where was the change? What have we done? Clinton had NAFTA that had far more impact on moving jobs and production OUT of America than for protecting American jobs and labor. Where's the change?


You got words, words are wind. That's it, nothing of substance. For decades now the Republocrats have moved in the same direction on many big power grabs and government expansions out there. Did they oppose the Patriot Act? Where were your precious Dems there? Oh yeah, right with the Republicans. Did they oppose the Real ID Act? Have the opposed our every increasing, imperial, occupation wars? Where are they?

Words, no actions, just words. Our schools have gotten worse, our jobs have been evaporating, we still have the highest prison population per capita of anyone, corporations still gain control of our politicians and our government still does all that it can to promote and protect them. What changes between the R and the D? Pretty much just the R and the D. We wouldn't find ourselves much different if we exchange one for the other.


Decade after decade we've had Republocrat rule, and this is where we are at. Where we sit presently is exactly the fault of the Republocrats. So continue with that righteous anger of yours, pretend that you will change the status quo by supporting the status quo. Support the Oligarchy and the Corporations which fund it, and pretend you're helping to lead us into a different tomorrow. It's your delusion, not mine. Spew your words, and like everyone else who drinks the Republocrat Kool-Aid, do nothing to stop it. Your vote, your choice. But don't pretend yourself to be so important that you can dictate what I can do with mine. I will continue to vote for the candidate I believe is best for the job and the one that best reflects my own political ideology. A democratic republic only works if the voters do just that.

and twenty bucks says I hit every single checkbox in your profile, Mister Anime fanboi.

Hahaha, you owe me 20 dollars
 
And you think that continuing to elect Republicans is the answer!!!
Sorry pal, you owe ME twenty bucks, actually FORTY.
 
And you think that continuing to elect Republicans is the answer!!!
Sorry pal, you owe ME twenty bucks, actually FORTY.

I don't think that continuing to elect Republicans is the answer. That's why I don't vote for them.

duh

[edit]And look, typical Democrat trying to take my money without cause or warrant. I didn't bet you 20 dollars, you be me 20 dollars. There's no reason I would owe you 40 bucks

lol
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I don't think that continuing to elect Republicans is the answer. That's why I don't vote for them.

duh

[edit]And look, typical Democrat trying to take my money without cause or warrant. I didn't bet you 20 dollars, you be me 20 dollars. There's no reason I would owe you 40 bucks

lol
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Van Jones:

“Voter suppression is: you’re 19 years old and you get caught with marijuana, and you’re forced to plead to a felony,” Jones says. “Then you can never vote again, whereas a white kid getting caught with marijuana is gonna be admonished and sent home to their parents. That’s voter suppression . . . mass incarceration is a strategy not just to criminalize a generation, or now generations of African-Americans, but also to politically marginalize the black community. Mass incarceration is not just taking our freedom, it’s taking our vote. It’s taking our power.”

Explain to me how your voting choice helps eliminate that problem, because from where I sit, you're enabling the Republicans to make it even worse.

PS: You do not know jack squat about what I do when I am not in this forum, so your whiny little accusation that all I have is words is empty micro-aggression, to use the politically correct terminology of your generation.
This is a forum, words are the coin of the realm because they describe thoughts and actions.

I have thoughts, I've been a person of action, for better than 45 years. You have pimples and an anime collection.
 
2020 came early

On the congressional side, it depends on who runs in my state.I will not vote for any establishment politician. If Trump runs for re-election, as I assume he will, I will vote for him.
 
Great post.

All that, for me, translates into what I've been saying, there is almost no difference between the two parties.

With that, often it seems the Republicans like to play Democrat; Obama and Romney were said to be about 5% apart on policy.

I am in rare agreement. The democrats are librul, and the republicans with a few exceptions are librul-lite.
 
Van Jones:



Explain to me how your voting choice helps eliminate that problem, because from where I sit, you're enabling the Republicans to make it even worse.

PS: You do not know jack squat about what I do when I am not in this forum, so your whiny little accusation that all I have is words is empty micro-aggression, to use the politically correct terminology of your generation.
This is a forum, words are the coin of the realm because they describe thoughts and actions.

I have thoughts, I've been a person of action, for better than 45 years. You have pimples and an anime collection.

How the fudge has your voting choices eliminated this? The Dems have held power on Congress and White House before. What did y'all do? Oh...nothing? It's still a problem despite the fact that y'all have held power!!??

Hell my party seeks to end the War on Drugs. What have the Dems done on that front? What? Nothing again....well damn, I'm sensing a pattern.

Words.... nothing more than words. Words are wind. Come back when you have some measurable results.

lol
 
Let me make one thing clear. The constant voting for lesser of two evils, the never ending nose holding is how we ended up with Clinton v Trump in the first place.

There is a chance for Dems to make gains this November, and IF they put up a candidate in my district that I can support, that will best echo my political ideology; than I will vote for them. If not, than I shall vote for the candidate who does. Given the past few decades, I would say it's rather slim that candidate would be from the Republocrat Party.

First the democrats will have to come up with a message that amounts to more then : "We hate Trump!" And even then, they will have to avoid taking another hard left turn.
 
How the fudge has your voting choices eliminated this? The Dems have held power on Congress and White House before. What did y'all do? Oh...nothing? It's still a problem despite the fact that y'all have held power!!??

Hell my party seeks to end the War on Drugs. What have the Dems done on that front? What? Nothing again....well damn, I'm sensing a pattern.

Words.... nothing more than words. Words are wind. Come back when you have some measurable results.

lol

Are you serious? It was the Democrats who came up with the Voting Rights Act originally!
And the Obama administration had made strides (despite record GOP obstructionism) to end the school to prison pipeline and private prisons.
You keep projecting about my words and how your party SEEKS to do all sorts of things but
YOUR. PARTY. HAS. NEVER. BEEN. IN. POWER.

All your party has ever done is aid Republicans by siphoning off needed votes to stop them.
Where IS your party at the state, local and congressional level?
You haven't even named them yet although I have a pretty good guess it's the US Green Party, which went into hibernation immediately on the morning of November 9th, 2016, where they will remain until six months before the 2020 elections.

It IS the Greens isn't it? Go ahead, it's okay, we already know it is.
If it's not, I'll be very surprised.
In fact, I'll even give you temporary benefit of the doubt in the hopes that it's actually the DSA, although they committed a huge gaffe as well.
 
If the also ran numbers are even close in this poll, we have a good chance at being recognized on a national level again. Then they will only need to corrupt 3 people.
 
Oh, great.

Trade one set of whacktards for another.

Although on opposite ends of the political spectrum, I don't differentiate much between hard-core lefty's and hard-core righty's. I am a center-right kinda of guy that can work and play well with the center-left people. But extremos turn me off altogether. :doh

But that's just me. The dems can do what they wanna do. I got no dog in their fight. But they won't score any points with me, or people like me, by moving further to the left, (anymore than the republicans will by moving further to the right.)

Have a great day. :2wave:
From where I'm sitting, as someone who registered Democrat specifically to vote for Sanders, sincere idealism is better than corrupt corporatism.

At least an idealist has a good goal to shoot for, the other option is just "how much money can I make off this"?
 
Impossible to say for sure. I can't imagine voting for a Democrat nominee given the party's current direction, but I won't rule it out entirely. If Trump runs for re-election, I will certainly not be voting for him. If he decides to call it quits at one term or somehow loses the nomination, then it would depend on the platform and record of the nominee. I won't vote for a Republican who's rhetoric doesn't match his track record (particularly thinking of fiscal issues here, since so many Republicans preach fiscal conservatism but practice anything but that). So I probably will end up "wasting" my vote with a third party candidate again, but if so, I do it happily to officially register my disgust with both of the ruling parties.
 
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