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Who Will You Vote For In 2020?

Who Will You Vote For In 2020?

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Fiddytree said:
For me:

When it comes to that, I go with who is the politician.

Trump is not, cannot act like one. I therefore vote against him there.

Sanders, politician. That's a vote for him there.

After that, the number of things that goes in favor of Sanders instead of Trump or a tie of crappiness will quickly deteriorate.

What I go to is wanting divided government. One chamber of the legislature controlled by Party A, Executive controlled by Party B. The second chamber can go either way for me.

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I dunno man. Which is worse, an incompetent nonpolitician, or a bat**** insane politician? Trump has no clue what he is doing, but that works in my favor, blocking him from succeeding at all the really stupid **** he wants to do. Sanders might actually be able to get some of the really stupid **** he wants done passed.
 
Redress said:
I dunno man. Which is worse, an incompetent nonpolitician, or a bat**** insane politician? Trump has no clue what he is doing, but that works in my favor, blocking him from succeeding at all the really stupid **** he wants to do. Sanders might actually be able to get some of the really stupid **** he wants done passed.
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Trump v Oprah= God help us

Trump v Sanders= God forgive me for who I may vote for

In either case: silently hoping for primaries to be eliminated, parties take over.



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I wonder which Communist or Socialist nitwit the left-wing Dems are going to trot out this time?
 
probably the Democratic nominee. The Democratic nominee is likely more willing to reverse all the damaging policies Trump and his goons in the GOP have inflicted on the nation. That said, I could potentially support Kasich if he is the GOP nominee in 2020. Regardless, I will never EVER vote for Donald Trump.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
You know a better question is knowing who we have now, who would you have supported in 2012? If I could go back and do it all over again, I would have been Romney's biggest supporter because if he had been elected then, we would not have Trump today.
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Don't be so sure. Trump has an uncanny ability to manipulate people into believing whatever he is trying to sell to them. Trump is no conservative, has never been a conservative, and never will be a conservative, yet he is a hero to millions of American conservatives. He could have easily ran as a Democrat spouting left wing talking points for votes similar to the way he ran as a Republican spouting right wing talking points for votes. If anything, it would have made more sense, considering Trump was a Democrat for most of his life.
 
tres borrachos said:
If that ticket is available in 2020, I'd vote for it without any hesitation, and in fact, with enthusiasm. Kasich would make an amazing President.

I can't really answer your poll because I don't know who is running on either ticket (obviously). If Trump is the GOP nominee in 2020, I won't vote for him, just like I didn't in 2016. It depends on the Democratic nominee. If it's anyone as repulsive as Hillary Clinton was, I won't vote for that ticket either, just like I didn't in 2016. But if it's a Democrat I can stomach, I can easily be persuaded to vote for the Democratic ticket for the first time since 1980, assuming the other major ticket choice has Donald Trump at the top.
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If the Democrats are smart (which they aren't), they'd try to nominate a candidate who can appeal to disgruntled anti Trump Republican voters like yourself. Voters like you could give them the edge they need to kick Trump out of office in 2020 (assuming he is even still president by then).

But since they aren't smart, they are likely to nominate another Hillary Clinton type candidate again, and repeat the same mistakes again.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
If the DNC nominates Oprah I might vote for Trump out of spite and immediately thereafter leave the ****ing country, but that won't be happening since she won't make it out of the primaries. In all seriousness, the Democrat most likely. Trump needs to be a one term president at any and all cost (barring the United States committing suicide by allowing the Democrats to elect Oprah).
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Two things:

1. Oprah won't be the nominee
2. I won't vote for her either, but by default, she would be better than Trump. Simply because any living organism would be better than Trump.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yeah. I actually have to confess that I couldn't even answer my own poll question. But, I was curious how the poll would turn out. It's posts like yours that give me hope for the future. In fact, I am hoping for a Kasich/Hickenlooper Independent ticket in 2020 and I would, more than likely, vote for that.
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2020 odds - https://www.5dimes.eu/BbGameSelection.asp - Kasich & Hickenlooper & Independent

Republican Presidential Nominee - Republican National Convention

401 Donald Trump is Republican Nominee -155

2020 US Presidential Election

101 D. Trump wins Presidential Election +190
169 John Kasich wins Presidential Election +6600
179 Hickenlooper wins Presidential Election +6600
 
Here are those currently at the top of the Democrat possibles:

Democratic Presidential Nominee - Democratic National Convention
Sat 7/27 501 K. Harris is Democratic Nominee +475
8:00AM 502 Field wins Democratic Nomination -825

Sat 7/27 503 B. Sanders Democratic Nominee +475
8:00AM 504 Field wins Democratic Nomination -825

Sat 7/27 505 E Warren is Democratic Nominee +500
8:00AM 506 Field wins Democratic Nomination -900
 
Puigb said:
If the Democrats are smart (which they aren't), they'd try to nominate a candidate who can appeal to disgruntled anti Trump Republican voters like yourself. Voters like you could give them the edge they need to kick Trump out of office in 2020 (assuming he is even still president by then).

But since they aren't smart, they are likely to nominate another Hillary Clinton type candidate again, and repeat the same mistakes again.
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You're probably right, Puigb. The Democrats have an opportunity I don't think any party has had since Jimmy Carter was President in 1980. The Republicans put up Reagan, who was absolutely the perfect person to go against Carter. Will they seize on it? I don't think so. Their loss.

The Dems have a chance to win over someone like me, with the right candidate. If it's Elizabeth Warren or any number of Hillary-types, I can guarantee I'm going 3rd party again.
 
Russell797 said:
And the candidate belongs to that party because they believe in that party's agenda...Maybe not on every detail, but in general. There is a reason members of Congress vote on nearly every issue as a block with few defectors if any. It's obvious. The philosophy of a political party is paramount. The warm body who happens to take the seat is quite irrelevant in most cases...
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Not true. There are always parts of the party platform that don't match with the candidate and that the candidate won't lift a finger to do. It's all just a bunch of partisan crap on both sides.
 
Moderate Right said:
Well, you guys have lost over 1000 seats during the last 7 years so don't expect too much.
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yes - gerrymandering by Republican held legislatures has been a potent tool to screw the people.
 
haymarket said:
yes - gerrymandering by Republican held legislatures has been a potent tool to screw the people.
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First of all, it is impossible to gerrymander unless you won in the first place. So, if you won in the first place, how can you say that they would not have won other times? Second of all, please explain to me how the presidency, the Senate, and Governorships are gerrymandered. I'm very fuzzy on that.
 
Lovebug said:
Nothing else matters?
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This is a good point. Leftist voter groups only think for themselves. The LGBT does not what anything, that is not for them. If you could promise the LGBT community only things that will go to them, they would happy. Screw everyone else. The Democrat leadership knows this; selfish children, and will play Santa Claus and/or tell their selfish base what they want to hear.

The Republicans tend to think in terms of a bigger picture, which benefits all, such as a good economy, plenty of jobs and national defense. These things benefit everyone, including the LGBT, blacks, white and even immigrants, since we cal all use good jobs. The Republicans will not offer free sex change operations, since so few will benefit by this large expense, and there is not enough money to give everyone a big selfish gift.

President Obama, told the blacks what they wanted to hear, yet did little to alter their path. When you deal with selfish people, lying works, since they are too self absorbed to look at the big picture.

When you attempt to maximize an entire country, you cannot play Santa Claus with everyone. There is not enough resources to go around. Instead you look for solutions that work for the most people. Like the song, "you can't always get what you want, but you can get what you need."

An analogy are parents with a lot of children, at Christmas, who only a limited budget. You can't buy all the children all the fancy gifts each one has on their list. You can promise, but you cannot deliver. If you promise and cannot deliver, it will be heart breaking for all. A better approach may be to buy something that all the children can use; maybe a modest swimming pool for next summer. It may not be the sex change for Joe(sy) or the abortion for Pam, but everyone will enjoy the pool, including mom and dad; family time.

We are in this huge national deficit because of borrowing to play Santa Claus to buy the votes, of selfish people, using debt. Trump is looking to help all the children, on both sides, but in ways the selfish children may not yet see.
 
Moderate Right said:
First of all, it is impossible to gerrymander unless you won in the first place. So, if you won in the first place, how can you say that they would not have won other times? Second of all, please explain to me how the presidency, the Senate, and Governorships are gerrymandered. I'm very fuzzy on that.
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The bulk of those infamous "1,000 offices" that righties love to brag about are state legislative seats in State Houses and in State Senates and they are indeed subject to gerrymandering and were.

So this phony red herring of - what about Governors and Senators is just ridiculous.
 
TurtleDude said:
the state laws in places like Mass and NY are why I vote for the GOP candidate when it comes to president.
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Maybe it's time to recognize that the federal government has to much control over the states. You like, want, need your guns without restriction? You should be able to have it that way where you chose to live, where the history and culture is very different from where I come from. The federal government seeks to treat us all as one, when we clearly are not on many issues. I don't want to tell you how to live your life, and I certainly don't want you telling me how I must live mine.

When you vote GOP, the current breed more so than ever, you in effect are hurting me and people like me. I do the same to you by voting Democrat. Life long interests and investments are threatened and damaged by opposing politics. It's not right.
 
Puigb said:
Don't be so sure. Trump has an uncanny ability to manipulate people into believing whatever he is trying to sell to them. Trump is no conservative, has never been a conservative, and never will be a conservative, yet he is a hero to millions of American conservatives. He could have easily ran as a Democrat spouting left wing talking points for votes similar to the way he ran as a Republican spouting right wing talking points for votes. If anything, it would have made more sense, considering Trump was a Democrat for most of his life.
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That is total horse****. Trump's campaign as a Democrat would have been over the day he announced because no Democrat could ever start a campaign by saying that illegal immigrants were mostly a bunch of rapists and murders. The most racist candidate since George Wallace would have gone no where running as a Democrat. He ran as a Republican for a reason. Moreover, since being elected he has for the most part pursued doctrinaire Republican policies.
 
wellwisher said:
This is a good point. Leftist voter groups only think for themselves. The LGBT does not what anything, that is not for them. If you could promise the LGBT community only things that will go to them, they would happy. Screw everyone else. The Democrat leadership knows this; selfish children, and will play Santa Claus and/or tell their selfish base what they want to hear.

The Republicans tend to think in terms of a bigger picture, which benefits all, such as a good economy, plenty of jobs and national defense. These things benefit everyone, including the LGBT, blacks, white and even immigrants, since we cal all use good jobs. The Republicans will not offer free sex change operations, since so few will benefit by this large expense, and there is not enough money to give everyone a big selfish gift.

President Obama, told the blacks what they wanted to hear, yet did little to alter their path. When you deal with selfish people, lying works, since they are too self absorbed to look at the big picture.

When you attempt to maximize an entire country, you cannot play Santa Claus with everyone. There is not enough resources to go around. Instead you look for solutions that work for the most people. Like the song, "you can't always get what you want, but you can get what you need."

An analogy are parents with a lot of children, at Christmas, who only a limited budget. You can't buy all the children all the fancy gifts each one has on their list. You can promise, but you cannot deliver. If you promise and cannot deliver, it will be heart breaking for all. A better approach may be to buy something that all the children can use; maybe a modest swimming pool for next summer. It may not be the sex change for Joe(sy) or the abortion for Pam, but everyone will enjoy the pool, including mom and dad; family time.

We are in this huge national deficit because of borrowing to play Santa Claus to buy the votes, of selfish people, using debt. Trump is looking to help all the children, on both sides, but in ways the selfish children may not yet see.
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BS...taking away or not caring about those children's or anyone's health care is not in anyone's best interest. Allowing religion to infiltrate the laws of the land is not in the interest of the many. Spending like mad and not paying for it with taxes is in no one's best interest. And the biggest one for me, a retired scientist, is the obliterating of the environmental sciences in no ones best interest.
 
Moderate Right said:
Not true. There are always parts of the party platform that don't match with the candidate and that the candidate won't lift a finger to do. It's all just a bunch of partisan crap on both sides.
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Right, and I said so "And the candidate belongs to that party because they believe in that party's agenda...Maybe not on every detail, but in general."

The two parties take the country in very different directions..If you and other's can't see that, then I don't know what you are looking at. I vote for Democrats because they stand for things which are directly opposed by the GOP...the distinction is as clear as night and day. I will not vote for a party or it's candidates who oppose me on the issues.
 
haymarket said:
The bulk of those infamous "1,000 offices" that righties love to brag about are state legislative seats in State Houses and in State Senates and they are indeed subject to gerrymandering and were.

So this phony red herring of - what about Governors and Senators is just ridiculous.
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You remind me of when I was 15 years old and in the 10th grade. We played neighborhood football games against other neighborhoods. We had just played one that weekend and we lost. I was riding on the school bus that following Monday sitting next to a 12th grader who I looked up to very much and was my idol and mentor. He asked how the game went and I told him we lost because it was raining and he replied, "It wasn't raining on the other team?". My light bulb came on and I learned a very important life lesson that day in not making stupid excuses because I had to admit to him that yes, it was raining on the other team too.

The truth is, if you take away every single one of those supposedly gerrymandered elections, the left still lost hundreds of seats and it is very hard to even use gerrymandering as an excuse because you can't gerrymander unless you won in the first place so if you won in the first place then there's a good chance you would have won in the second place. Gerrymandering is nothing but an excuse. 2/3'ds of the states have Republican governors and those can't be gerrymandered.
 
If the Dems build a platform on vilifying cops, exploiting racial division, and sabotaging any candidate (again), it won't be the Dem.
If the Republicans build a platform nationalism and jingosim, it won't be the Rep.
I voted libertarian last election, only because I could not look myself in the mirror if I voted for Clinton or Trump. Yeah I got accused of throwing away my vote, but it's not like our votes count for much in the Presidential election anyway. I had to vote my conscience and that was the only real option.
 
Lerxst said:
If the Dems build a platform on vilifying cops, exploiting racial division, and sabotaging any candidate (again), it won't be the Dem.
If the Republicans build a platform nationalism and jingosim, it won't be the Rep.
I voted libertarian last election, only because I could not look myself in the mirror if I voted for Clinton or Trump. Yeah I got accused of throwing away my vote, but it's not like our votes count for much in the Presidential election anyway. I had to vote my conscience and that was the only real option.
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I could not look at myself in the mirror if I voted libertarian ...
 
celticwar17 said:
didn't vote for Trump the first time around.... but I most likely will the second, but it course depends if the Democrats pull off someone amazingly Libertarian xD
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Does the incumbent always get the nomination?
 
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