Are the 19 Women Accusing Trump ALL LYING? [W:168]

gdgyva said:

And of course she ran right to the police and reported the assault, correct?

I think that is part of my issue, with this and other accusers, coming years after the fact

Even if there is no evidence....why not tell the authorities?

Why not get them involved, and maybe if there are other reports similar to theirs, the police can do something

I am not a woman, and can’t know what was on their mind....but I can’t imagine keeping crap like that secret for decades

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I don't know if she did or not. I am sure she told people close to her. It's not a "secret" that was kept for decades. And I don't think anyone loses the right to state what happened to them because they didn't go to the police. I don't think it is widely understood just how difficult it would be to go to the police with these kind of complaints years ago. It did not appear to be a viable option.

camlok said:

The fact that 19 women have come forward is evidence. CS was only asking based on that. Then if you factor in the admission by Trump, completely unsolicited, that he "***** grabs" women all the time, that it's expected of him because he is such an orangutan stallion, one wonders why there has only been 19.

It is amazing, unbelievable actually. The 19 women are real but the 19 Arab "hijackers" are a total USA fiction but everybody just follows the propaganda, leaps on the bandwagon and says, "Duuuuuhhhh, yup I believe the lyingest governments to ever exist on the planet".

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Fixated? You inject CT bull**** into thread after thread.

camlok said:

Please, all US prezes since WWII have been Class A war criminals. Reagan and his administration had the most felony charges since forever. Nixon was as guilty as all get out. Reagan's government is the only one [which means the USA is the only country] to ever be convicted of international terrorism.

Nobody in US government except the odd fall guy, has ever been handed the poison chalice.

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Citation?

markjs said:

Can always count on an irrational defense of the orange ***** grabber in chief from his biggest stooge. Can you issue these denials with a straight face or deep down do you admire his harassment/assaults?

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These women take being a professional victim to new heights. Mortgage payments, talk show circuit tours, movie royalties, book deals and loan debt service payments. All these women have to do is claim that Trump looked at them funny. Women with integrity need not apply.

camlok said:

The fact that 19 women have come forward is evidence. CS was only asking based on that. Then if you factor in the admission by Trump, completely unsolicited, that he "***** grabs" women all the time, that it's expected of him because he is such an orangutan stallion, one wonders why there has only been 19.

It is amazing, unbelievable actually. The 19 women are real but the 19 Arab "hijackers" are a total USA fiction but everybody just follows the propaganda, leaps on the bandwagon and says, "Duuuuuhhhh, yup I believe the lyingest governments to ever exist on the planet".

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radcen said:

Have you ever... even once... about anything... been legally wronged and not reported it?

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have i ever been assaulted and not reported it...NO

have i ever been the victim of a crime and not reported it....NO

maybe you let people get away with stuff....i try not to....i had a cashier arrested for pocketing $ 100 out of the till

most people would have just fired her....i sent a message that i wont tolerate any of that behavior

camlok said:

I don't grasp at all how you can believe such a thing. Look at all the relatively powerful and very powerful Hollywood women who have maintained their silence.

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i understand they have all been silent

that is what i am trying to understand

the pervasiveness of abuse out there was HUGE....and no one said a thing

and so it went on, and on, and on for years

but they were worried about their jobs, their careers...i at least understand that aspect

these women with Trump and these chance encounters....he was just a celebrity...a rich asshole

he couldnt break their career....so why wouldnt at least some of them report the assaults

just trying to get into their minds....what kept them from making a report? even if there was little or no evidence, you make a report and hope there is a pattern the authorities can make with the reports

cuban smokes said:

what are the odds of all 19 of the women that are known (to date) to have accused POTUS Trump of sexual misconduct and/or sexual assault lying?

why would 19 different women makes these claims & why would ALL 19 of these women be lying about such serious accusations?

Are the 19 Women Accusing Trump ALL LYING? Yes, or No?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Trump Calls Sexual Misconduct Accusations '''Fake News''' | Time

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Almost all of them have been shown to be opportunist and liars whos stories make little sense.


If there was even a shred of evidence the MSM would be on it 24/7

If "almost all of them have been shown to be opportunist and liars whose stories make little sense "then you're saying that there are some who are telling the truth. By your reasoning we have a predator in the WH.

Cephus said:

You are aware that what you posted is based in EMPLOYMENT and not on the street, right? The example provided was something that happened on the street.

You know... details. :roll:

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The very first source I provided you was the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It represents the core law against sexual discrimination, in which court precedence (in and out of the work place) was set. You may not walk up to a person at a crosswalk and grab their tits. To do so, is a violation of that person's personal space and civil rights. Your offense would be based on her gender, thus it is not the same as a simple assault. And because it is based on her gender, color, or creed, it is a violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. You see, it is not the Civil Rights Act of 1964 while employed. It is the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Am I being annoyingly redundant? This is what happens when play obtuse.

Furthermore, the National Center for Victims of Crime states:

Sexual assault takes many forms including attacks such as rape or attempted rape, as well as any unwanted sexual contact or threats. Usually a sexual assault occurs when someone touches any part of another person's body in a sexual way, even through clothes, without that person's consent.

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You know... details. I will spare you the immature emotion icon eye roll.

cuban smokes said:

what are the odds of all 19 of the women that are known (to date) to have accused POTUS Trump of sexual misconduct and/or sexual assault lying?

why would 19 different women makes these claims & why would ALL 19 of these women be lying about such serious accusations?

Are the 19 Women Accusing Trump ALL LYING? Yes, or No?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Trump Calls Sexual Misconduct Accusations '''Fake News''' | Time

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I don't think today's fad that "He is as guilty as I say he is" is going to fly. It's simply another way to fight Trump and his promotion of "whiteness", "jobs", America first, and MAGA.

I hope women look in the mirror when they find it's harder now to get jobs because they are lawsuits in skirts.

chuckiechan said:

I don't think today's fad that "He is as guilty as I say he is" is going to fly. It's simply another way to fight Trump and his promotion of "whiteness", "jobs", America first, and MAGA.

I hope women look in the mirror when they find it's harder now to get jobs because they are lawsuits in skirts.

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I hope men with keep their stuff in their pants. That's the way to stop law suits.

Parrish said:

I hope men with keep their stuff in their pants. That's the way to stop law suits.

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And stop holding doors for women, carry stuff, etc.

No one says it's OK to be an exhibitionist, but puritans never stop there.

chuckiechan said:

And stop holding doors for women, carry stuff, etc.

No one says it's OK to be an exhibitionist, but puritans never stop there.

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Is it puritanical to not want to be assaulted or harassed?

Cephus said:

If they are telling the truth, they can come forward with evidence in a court of law to corroborate their claims. If they can't it doesn't matter if they're lying or not. Unfortunately, we live in a world today where people, for entirely political reasons, make up stories because they know that their claims can, in the court of public opinion, ruin people's lives, whether the stories are true or not. They go where no proof at all is necessary, where people with too many emotions and not enough brains will believe them because it makes them feel good to do so. Welcome to the modern political reality.

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Sad and pathetic, you're apparently part of the problem.

Yes, the world we use to live in was one where women had no rights whatsoever, and it's been steadily whittled down by progressives to allow women rights, to work, to terminate a pregnancy, to accuse their rapists, and now to accuse their abusers and harassers. Women (and a smaller portion of men) had their lives destroyed in the millions since, well since recorded history, at the hands of men who could get away with such behavior. That it's starting to even out even slightly, apparently is too much for to bear. I suggest you get some counseling, maybe a support group, for men who can't handle change and want to continue the culture of dominating women. It's called the Republican party I think.

Parrish said:

Is it puritanical to not want to be assaulted or harassed?

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Of course not. You go to HR or the police unless you decide to save it for an ambush later.

The opportunities that have opened for women in the last few years can just as easily fade away.

I come from a background in sales. Women have an easier time getting in to make a sales call in front of men. So there is that, up to the point that a wife gets suspicious or the office girls start gossiping and suddenly Miss Muffet can't get access anymore. Then before you know it, a good account is lost and a man has to come in and save it. Actually, after the initial "getting to know you" phase (2-3 calls), they are as effective as men and are better at staying on the subject, but are less able to "shoot the ****" with the boys. But as long as the numbers are good, I'm good. It's like the mating dance has to run it's course first. LOL.

And when picking up a rep at an airport, why does she not object when I, her boss, hoists her suitcase into the trunk. I expect a guy to toss his own crap unless he has a broken arm, but I just do it without comment for women. Workmen's comp is high enough as it is.

The result of our "sexual harassment" classes put on by our insurance company seemed to cause the women to be "boxed out" of the social part of the work.

And for the record, at other companies, I have seen good looking women get hired without an interview just based on looks. I avoided hiring women who were too attractive because I got tired of hearing how "hot" so and so was. It's a metal company, not a beauty pageant.

So there's my rant.

Women are doing themselves no favors by not dealing with problems immediately. It's time for men accused without foundation to sue them.

Superfly said:

You have no right to question anybody's credibility. None.

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I have a right to do whatever I damn well please. Deal with it.

Cephus said:

If they are telling the truth, they can come forward with evidence in a court of law to corroborate their claims. If they can't it doesn't matter if they're lying or not.

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19 women all saying essentially the same thing about Trump. A man who's been recorded bragging about grabbing women by the *****. A man who's lawyer personally paid a porn star thousands of dollars to not come forward and tell the world about an affair she had with him while he was married to his current wife shortly after they had their kid.

There is already 10 times more evidence against Donald Trump than there was against O.J. Simpson, and I guarantee you every single solitary one of Trump's supporters thinks O.J. should have been found guilty of murder.

gdgyva said:

i understand they have all been silent

that is what i am trying to understand

the pervasiveness of abuse out there was HUGE....and no one said a thing

and so it went on, and on, and on for years

but they were worried about their jobs, their careers...i at least understand that aspect

these women with Trump and these chance encounters....he was just a celebrity...a rich asshole

he couldnt break their career....so why wouldnt at least some of them report the assaults

just trying to get into their minds....what kept them from making a report? even if there was little or no evidence, you make a report and hope there is a pattern the authorities can make with the reports

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If you want to get into the minds of those who have been terrorized, brutalized, ... then you have to have some empathy. Think about it, Trump brags about sexually assaulting women. Maybe that was what gave some the bravery to speak out.

Myth: Women are most likely to be raped after dark by a stranger, so women shouldn't go out alone at night.

Fact: Only around 10% of rapes are committed by 'strangers'. Around 90% of rapes are committed by known men, and often by someone who the survivor has previously trusted or even loved. People are raped in their homes, their workplaces and other settings where they have previously felt safe. Rapists can be friends, colleagues, clients, neighbours, family members, partners or exes. Risk of rape shouldn't be used as an excuse to control women's movements and restrict their rights and freedom.


Myth: People often lie about being raped because they regret having sex with someone or out of spite or for attention.

Fact: Disproportionate media focus on false rape allegations perpetuates the public perception that lying about sexual violence is common when in fact the opposite is true. False allegations of rape are very rare. The vast majority of survivors choose not to report to the police. One significant reason for this is the fear of not being believed. It's really important we challenge this myth so those who've experienced sexual violence can get the support and justice they need and deserve.

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/mythsvsrealities.php

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Cephus said:

I have a right to do whatever I damn well please. Deal with it.

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So you have the right to come in here and spew nonsense, and then not expect to be called on it.

Got it.

I'd still love an answer to mine and Radcen's question, but I guess you refuse to answer, because you have no answer

horn dog gonna horn ..............