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Should bail be based on a person's ability to pay?

Should bail be based on a person's ability to pay?

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Cardinal said:
Bail should be based on a combination of the severity of the crime, the likelihood of the suspect fleeing, and the financial status of the suspect.
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Agreed. I'd like to point out that the first and the third are there because they contribute to the second.
 
Rexedgar said:
Better hope your safety net holds up, you having a bad Friday? Your posts seem awfully callous.........
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Eh, I’m sure you have enough ****s to give for drug addicts and thieves for both of us. I’m all out.
 
JANFU said:
It was that you have more time for animals than for poor people.
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Good ****ing grief. There are plenty of champions for the poor as you apparently fancy yourself, I mean, I trust you don’t just talk about it here. We all follow where are passions lead us and the entire point to Ghandi’s quote is that, unlike even the poor, animals cannot offer anything in return, so treating them well is done, if it is at all, just for the rightness of it.
 
X Factor said:
Good ****ing grief. There are plenty of champions for the poor as you apparently fancy yourself, I mean, I trust you don’t just talk about it here. We all follow where are passions lead us and the entire point to Ghandi’s quote is that, unlike even the poor, animals cannot offer anything in return, so treating them well is done, if it is at all, just for the rightness of it.
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If you believe that animals have nothing to offer in return for even the most basic things, you, sir are one ****ed up individual and you are a Dallas Cowboy fan in the bargain! Both things to be pitied.......
 
X Factor said:
Good ****ing grief. There are plenty of champions for the poor as you apparently fancy yourself, I mean, I trust you don’t just talk about it here. We all follow where are passions lead us and the entire point to Ghandi’s quote is that, unlike even the poor, animals cannot offer anything in return, so treating them well is done, if it is at all, just for the rightness of it.
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Oh I do help. For one that supports the Constitution, you are and have condemned in this thread any picked up by Police as guilty.
 
radcen said:
Should bail be based on a person's ability to pay?

Not unlike the traffic ticket question. All other things being equal, two people are accused of a serious crime. One is poor, the other is wealthy. For the purpose of this thread, bail is allowed. Bail per the crime, or bail person the person's ability to pay.
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All things can't be equal in this case, as a wealthy person is potentially a more serious flight risk.

That aside, I'd say per the crime, but taking all circumstances into account, so both?
 
Rexedgar said:
If you believe that animals have nothing to offer in return for even the most basic things, you, sir are one ****ed up individual and you are a Dallas Cowboy fan in the bargain! Both things to be pitied.......
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I believe animals have more to offer than most people (myself absolutely included).
 
X Factor said:
I believe animals have more to offer than most people (myself absolutely included).
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Tie some tincans to your tail:mrgreen:
 
JANFU said:
Oh I do help. For one that supports the Constitution, you are and have condemned in this thread any picked up by Police as guilty.
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Not at all and maybe I’ve misunderstood you. I understood you to say that even those who are guilty should receive less punishment or penalty if they’re also poor.
 
X Factor said:
Not at all and maybe I’ve misunderstood you. I understood you to say that even those who are guilty should receive less punishment or penalty if they’re also poor.
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No, never stated, nor implied that. Perhaps you did misinterpret what I posted. I have been guilty of that.
 
X Factor said:
I believe animals have more to offer than most people (myself absolutely included).
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You wouldn't think that if they could talk.

These sorts of conversation immediately make me think of the Gordon Gekko line in Wall Street about how WASPs love animals and hate people.
 
WillyPete said:
You wouldn't think that if they could talk.

These sorts of conversation immediately make me think of the Gordon Gekko line in Wall Street about how WASPs love animals and hate people.
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Nothing makes me hate people more than stories of animals cruelty and abuse.
 
X Factor said:
Nothing makes me hate people more than stories of animals cruelty and abuse.
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Understood, understandable.

My only point is that they are easier to love than people because they are unable to communicate their dark side.
 
X Factor said:
Maybe the next poll question should be whether low income people should just be exempt from being charged with certain crimes since it’s all just so unfair to them.
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Based on your response, the next poll question should be whether we should just execute them on the spot for being poor.
 
holbritter said:
Not unlike my answer on the ticket fine debate, if you can't make bail, make sure you don't commit a crime.
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That's a nice talking point that someone always trots out in threads like this, but that's all it is. Innocent people are arrested, and convicted, more often than we want to believe. It really doesn't mean anything anymore. The fact that a person might indeed be innocent should be factored in as well.
 
radcen said:
That's a nice talking point that someone always trots out in threads like this, but that's all it is. Innocent people are arrested, and convicted, more often than we want to believe. It really doesn't mean anything anymore. The fact that a person might indeed be innocent should be factored in as well.
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I understand that. If a person is convicted, bail isn't in question then. It seems to be a trend though that excuses are made for poor people to get special treatment for breaking the law. Someone poor gets pulled over for going through a red light.....oh, ok. Since you're poor you don't have to pay the same fine as everyone else. Pft..on that.

I grew up very poor, and not once did being poor be used as an excuse for me to be treated any different than anyone else. If I did something wrong, that's on me, and only I am responsible for my actions. I knew I couldn't afford to get a speeding ticket......guess what? I didn't speed! I honestly don't get why that is so hard to do or understand.
 
holbritter said:
I understand that. If a person is convicted, bail isn't in question then. It seems to be a trend though that excuses are made for poor people to get special treatment for breaking the law. Someone poor gets pulled over for going through a red light.....oh, ok. Since you're poor you don't have to pay the same fine as everyone else. Pft..on that.

I grew up very poor, and not once did being poor be used as an excuse for me to be treated any different than anyone else. If I did something wrong, that's on me, and only I am responsible for my actions. I knew I couldn't afford to get a speeding ticket......guess what? I didn't speed! I honestly don't get why that is so hard to do or understand.
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Are you saying that you now speed because you can afford it?
 
radcen said:
Are you saying that you now speed because you can afford it?
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Haha...no. Although it wouldn't hurt as much, I can't throw money away like that.
 
X Factor said:
I believe animals have more to offer than most people (myself absolutely included).
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I lean that way too.

I don't expect a dog to break into my house and kill me.
 
WillyPete said:
Understood, understandable.

My only point is that they are easier to love than people because they are unable to communicate their dark side.
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Oh they do, just not with words.
 
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