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Military parade a good idea?[W:349]

Military parade a good idea?


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I guess you didn't get it. No problem.

The US already does this crap in a lot of daily life, before sporting events, whenever a career is failing, do a song, play, movie about the military, replete with heartbreaks and gullible Americans will be flooding your bank account.


I don't mean to intrude but are you by any chance Australian?

And anyone who wants to flood my bank account can PM me thx in advance. No reason required.

Whatever parade it will be, i.e., light or heavy weapons, the brass will have the troops of all participating services drilling and practicing the actual parade route in the city. That means closing major roads and routes. With July 4th tourist inflow and tour buses, the traffic combined with the local traffic and thousands of troops, parade vehicles, transport buses and military trucks on the move, Trump's reviewing stage might sink back into the swamp it's built on. Trump might do better to just let things be.
 
I've been totally against the idea. It's wasteful. It's not fair to the troops who most likely will be put out and overworked instead of getting time off for a holiday. It does absolutely nothing to help the military. It's nothing less than ego masturbation.

Then I heard on the radio today an idea that I actually liked: If we must have a parade, have it on Veteran's Day, November 11th, the 100 year anniversary of the end of WW1. It doesn't change anything I said above, but I do kind of like the idea.


Military brass favor November 11th as has also been reported. No date has been set yet so maybe the senior commanders at Pentagon and Military District of Washington can prevail. I doubt it but the brass are preparing Trump's options now and they can give the date a definite preference. Trump seems set on the 4th however. Me thinks the brass are taking their time to allow the public reaction to develop and voice itself against the whole idea. The first statement out of the Pentagon said Potus had ordered it. That was the reply to WaPo breaking the story. A few hours later the JCS office said Potus had requested it and that they were making every effort to accommodate him.

I am certain the military senior commanders are opposed to the idea itself -- on principle. I have no doubt their entire paradigm of the armed forces under the Constitution is offended by this. Having a strictly military parade for Potus himself on the order of Potus is seriously against the norm. Potus using a national holiday to do it disguises nothing about it. So the commanders want Veteran's Day which is solemn as opposed to July 4th which is celebratory. Ol' Bone Spurs is of course oblivious to the difference anyway.
 
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You used your thesaurus, good on ya, mate! At least you are learning.

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Dreary, banal, and lame.
Tell you what. I'm gonna ignore you from now on but feel free to quote me in a call-out thread in the basement whenever you have an original thought. In fact, give me a heads-up when you feel one coming on- I'll keep my calendar clear.
 
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Dreary, banal, and lame.
Tell you what. I'm gonna ignore you from now on but feel free to quote me in a call-out thread in the basement whenever you have an original thought. In fact, give me a heads-up when you feel one coming on- I'll keep my calendar clear.

That is such a cowardly attitude.
 
Election Day in 2018 will be on 6 November. I'll bet DJT wants the parade before then.
 
Why do liberals hate our military?

Why do banana republicans shamelessly hide behind the Military, using it as a prop and hostage for elections, while pissing all over our Veterans ?
 
A show of military power could be a deterrent. We should be proud we have such a great military. Of course, we have to when we're the world's security force. Teddy Roosevelt sent the Great White Fleet on a world tour to project US naval power. but then again, we do that all the time now with our navy. Project power around the globe, that is. The Navy is always on parade.
 
I’m sure we’ve all heard that Trump is interested in having a military parade similar to one done in France. My understanding is that this is different than parades welcoming service members home or honoring veterans (which I think most people fully support) and is more of a display of power and military precision. Do you think this type of parade is a good idea?

No idea at this point. Though my only understanding of it, is that he is most likely looking for a way to boost moral for the people. As well as make some points with his base for the most part, but military parades aren't really that new to us anyway.
 
A million women wouldn't march for that. They only march for pro-abortion.

Moderate Right:

Given the present political climate of America which is so polarised and quite toxic, I would not be so confident about that. There are tens of millions of Americans who hate the fact, and I use the word "hate" quite literally, that Mr. Trump is president and about half of them are women. A military parade would be an ideal target for such women to vent their rage and express their political dissent to President Trump. It would humiliate President Trump too and that humiliation would quite possibly provoke an authoritarian backlash from the administration and the national security complex. Think Chicago, 1968 but with tanks in the mix. Then think Tiananmen Square and the image of one man standing before a column of Chinese tanks and stopping them. That is powerful iconography, the kind of images which cause political regimes to fall.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
I understand this latest hysteria came about because of brainstorming a pro military parade. I don't want to see tanks or such, but a fun parade in their honor on an appropriate day, why not?
 
Why do liberals hate our military?

Why do you say they do? Our military doesn't check voting records, last I checked. They are men and women who come from all walks of life and all political persuasions. No?
 
We have a local Air Force base that has a public appreciation weekend every two years. They usually bring in such air demonstration squadrons as the Thunderbirds to blow us away.
It is always great to honor our men and women in the military.

But when politicians get involved it somehow reeks of using for their own benefit. Especially when it is a president whose whole family have felt they were too elite for military service.



Incredible Thunderbirds. Unbelieveable.

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this will cost a fortune IMHO, you can use that money so much better. If you want a parade, hold a veterans parade on veterans day in Washington. Add a few military vehicles to it, to transport elderly veterans, old tanks, maybe a new tank, etc. etc. etc. that would be much more appropriate than holding a parade for "the president".
 
I am older, so I can remember when there were parades, that featured the military, such as during Memorial Day and Veterans days. The parades contained more than just the active military. It contained active military, veterans, high school boy and girl officers, girl and boy scouts, and local charities and dignitaries. These parades ended about the time of the hippy generation and the Viet Nam War.

Before then, these parades were very enjoyable as a child. In many ways, it was designed as much for the children as for the adults. As a child, you sat in awe of the soldiers, who protected you. After the parade, every boy would want to play soldier, or even dream of being a solider, that everyone is cheering for. One could even see the young ladies, so proud of their man. This observation would induce a romantic fantasy of your favorite girl seeing you in the parade.

Since the children enjoyed the parade, their parents would take them, and cheer, so they could lead as an example; make it more fun. As a child, you would see the older citizens, many with canes, with their old timer military hats, from past wars. They would salute and be saluted proudly, feeling good about their service. The children would then see the same elderly, differently, when you realized they were once that soldier too.

The point of the entire exercise, was to gather all the generations, together, and come to a common focus about the job and the sacrifice of the military, past, present and future. It is a very ancient tradition, as old as culture. It was necessary to keep cultures, safe from threat, past, present and future. You needed the next generation to do the scary stuff. There will always be bad guys, who do not follow the law. The good citizen need to be prepare, less their culture go the ways of the dinosaurs.

Trump is older and remembers this past, before the Viet Nam war. He is making America great again; Eisenhower days. As an experiment, parents don't poison the well. Instead, stay neutral and bring the children to watch to see what happens. They will see the soldiers, the equipment and even the elderly veterans. They become part of the past, present and future.
 
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this will cost a fortune IMHO, you can use that money so much better. If you want a parade, hold a veterans parade on veterans day in Washington. Add a few military vehicles to it, to transport elderly veterans, old tanks, maybe a new tank, etc. etc. etc. that would be much more appropriate than holding a parade for "the president".

I'm agnostic about a parade, but the money is mere peanuts, decimal dust, a rounding error.
 
Moderate Right:

Given the present political climate of America which is so polarised and quite toxic, I would not be so confident about that. There are tens of millions of Americans who hate the fact, and I use the word "hate" quite literally, that Mr. Trump is president and about half of them are women. A military parade would be an ideal target for such women to vent their rage and express their political dissent to President Trump. It would humiliate President Trump too and that humiliation would quite possibly provoke an authoritarian backlash from the administration and the national security complex. Think Chicago, 1968 but with tanks in the mix. Then think Tiananmen Square and the image of one man standing before a column of Chinese tanks and stopping them. That is powerful iconography, the kind of images which cause political regimes to fall.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

In the words of a smart person, "I would not be so confident about that".
 
A show of military power could be a deterrent.

A deterrent to what, countries thinking that they have the right to their own self determination instead of being raped and pillaged by the gangster USA.

We should be proud we have such a great military.

Proud?!! Of what? The illegal invasions of I and A, the terrorism, the war crimes against Syria, Libya, ... ? The grand US lies of the Kuwait debacle. The US military is simply a gang of thugs used to help position US business interests in countries that don't want you there.

Smedley Butler described it all almost a century ago.


I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler


Of course, we have to when we're the world's security force. Teddy Roosevelt sent the Great White Fleet on a world tour to project US naval power. but then again, we do that all the time now with our navy. Project power around the globe, that is. The Navy is always on parade.

That is the biggest and most pervasive lie of all - "world's security force". Pure and utter drivel! Security forces do not carpet bomb villages, napalm innocents, hire proxies to slash the breasts off women, peel the skin off people's faces, behead people, garrot them, hack them to death with machetes, ... .
 
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I'm agnostic about a parade, but the money is mere peanuts, decimal dust, a rounding error.

No, it is not mere peanuts I would assume, these things cost loads of money. Just the transport, damage to the infrastructure because those Abrams main battle tanks weigh a bit and I doubt they will want just the one driving on the streets.

Trump will want to outshine the French and others.

That will cost a lot of money for no battle or readiness advantage for the armed forces IMHO.

A parade IMHO should celebrate either the veterans/active soldiers or it should be used purely for special occasions. Plan one for over 8 years, when the US is celebrating it's 250th day of independence. That would be a good day and a good reason to hold a parade like the French do. At least that is my opinion.

Just because the French has a love affair with trying to make itself look important does not mean the US should. Normally only communist countries or weak countries that want to look impressive need to hold military parades like the French do.
 
I'm agnostic about a parade, but the money is mere peanuts, decimal dust, a rounding error.

True. And there is always a steady supply of more cash coming in from US businesses, set in place in others countries by the US military, raping and pillaging.
 
As long as Trump is at the head of the parade like this, then I'm all for it:

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That is the biggest and most pervasive lie of all - "world's security force". Pure and utter drivel! Security forces do not carpet bomb villages, napalm innocents, hire proxies to slash the breasts off women, peel the skin off people's faces, behead people, garrot them, hack them to death with machetes, ... .

". . . The United States believes strongly in what you call soft power, the value of democracy, the value of the free economic system, the value of making sure that each citizen is free and free to pursue their own God-given ambitions and to use the talents that they were given by God. And that is what we say to the rest of the world. That is why we participated in establishing a community of democracy within the Western Hemisphere. It’s why we participate in all of these great international organizations.There is nothing in American experience or in American political life or in our culture that suggests we want to use hard power. But what we have found over the decades is that unless you do have hard power — and here I think you’re referring to military power — then sometimes you are faced with situations
that you can’t deal with.
I mean, it was not soft power that freed Europe. It was hard power. And what followed immediately after hard power? Did the United States ask for dominion over a single nation in Europe? No. Soft power came in the Marshall Plan. Soft power came with American GIs who put their weapons down once the war was over and helped all those nations rebuild. We did the same thing in Japan.
So our record of living our values and letting our values be an inspiration to others I think is clear. And I don’t think I have anything to be ashamed of or apologize for with respect to what America has done for the world.
(Applause.)
WE HAVE GONE FORTH FROM OUR SHORES REPEATEDLY OVER THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS AND WE’VE DONE THIS AS RECENTLY AS THE LAST YEAR IN AFGHANISTAN AND PUT WONDERFUL YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN AT RISK, MANY OF WHOM HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES, AND WE HAVE ASKED FOR NOTHING EXCEPT ENOUGH GROUND TO BURY THEM IN, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works."

--Colin Powell



 
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