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Score Trump SOTU

Score Trump SOTU

  • A

    Votes: 17 32.7%

  • B

    Votes: 15 28.8%

  • C

    Votes: 8 15.4%

  • D

    Votes: 7 13.5%

  • E

    Votes: 5 9.6%
  • Total voters
    52
zimmer said:
ROTFLOL... and with that bit of prose, we see you are the Gutierrez-Pelosi of DP.

Tanngrisnir Gutierrez-Pelosi... has a nice ring to it.

Have you finished cleaning your teeth yet?
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I'm sorry, were you trying to say something, Frau Goebbels?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
How about all the ones that have gone against them over the last decade, finding them now almost completely out of power nationally and on the ropes in a lot a states that they used to have power in?

BETCHA dont want to talk about that.



EDIT: I hear a lot about energy, but then too I heard it in the months after WE THE PEOPLE picked Trump, all of the ***** demonstrations and all...what did any of that amount to?

The geniuses who lead the left though that was all an awesome idea,,,,let's not forget that MKAY?
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Have someone explain 'the last few months' to you.
 
MovingPictures said:
And this, folks, goes to show how the right really does have deeply authoritarian ideals.

Trump is not Stalin, we don't have to clap and stand when he tells us to.
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Can you explain what you mean to say here?
 
Casper said:
Why should they have stood?
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For non-partisan issues that their constituents support.

For the past eight years they were jack rabbits jumping up for Obama at the slightest suggestion of an action.

Now they can't be bothered to stand for things like low unemployment or the Capital being a symbol of the American people.
 
Blue_State said:
I gave a B. I thought there were more issues to address, specifically with the weaponization of our DOJ and FBI. Maybe it wasn't the place.

With the exception of Immigration, we didn't get a lot of planning points, just a lot of concepts.
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Planning suggests future while State Of The Union suggests the present.
 
Blue_State said:
True. But when he was speaking I was interested in the plan on immigration. I was interested in the pillars.
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That part sounded like what they had been discussing over the past month in Congress, so that might have been more of the present than what they might do in the future.

I would definitely classify immigration as a current event.
 
I gave him a B but it was more a B minus. Some good, some very good, some terrible. Luckily not a lot of terrible.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Only if you have listened to all of it if you please.

tyvm

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EDIT: Reading the transcript is fine too...if you read all of it.
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It was a pretty good speech. Of course I didn't agree with everything he said. But it was rational, coherent, and well-put together. IOW, it didn't sound like Donald. Fortunately, it seems the handlers managed to get him to stick to reading the script. We will know what Donald himself actually thought of what he read last night when the tweets start coming out today or tomorrow.
 
Mason66 said:
That part sounded like what they had been discussing over the past month in Congress, so that might have been more of the present than what they might do in the future.

I would definitely classify immigration as a current event.
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I would say it still a concept, like the others he presented. Basically, the night was fluffy, past, present or future. I wanted more substance, so B.
 
Blue_State said:
I would say it still a concept, like the others he presented. Basically, the night was fluffy, past, present or future. I wanted more substance, so B.
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I gave him a B as well.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
A if you trust him. F when you don't. Waiting for twitter insults tomorrow morning.
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I wouldn't trust Trump with a bucket of turds.

But I gave him an "A"

Maybe I need to get my head checked but I thought he knocked it out of the park.

Of course, it is not lost on me that half of what he said is unadulterated bull****. But I thought it was a nice speech and it would be even nicer had it been truthful through-and-through. But President's have historically stretched or taken liberties with the truth at S.O.T.U.'s in the past.

I thought it was a nice speech.

I know, I know. Me saying that is causing heads to explode here.
 
TurtleDude said:
I love lefties praising a guy who was born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, who is in office almost solely due to his name, who then whines about how America is unfair to the poor
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Kennedy name is as popular as the Clinton name. It fuels opposition outside of Massachusetts.
 
Surrealistik said:
The glaring mediocrity and dullness of Trump's speech was surpassed only by that of Joe Kennedy's meager response which disproportionately, and fatally emphasized ID politics, social justice and immigration over meaningful talk about economic justice and infrastructure (per the standard establishment Dem playbook) whose few, terse and fleeting mentions were buried in the middle of the speech, never mind his consistently weak delivery; just pathetic.
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Also no mention of climate change or the environment. Two massively popular topics for democrats and youth in particular.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
How about all the ones that have gone against them over the last decade, finding them now almost completely out of power nationally and on the ropes in a lot a states that they used to have power in?

BETCHA dont want to talk about that.



EDIT: I hear a lot about energy, but then too I heard it in the months after WE THE PEOPLE picked Trump, all of the ***** demonstrations and all...what did any of that amount to?

The geniuses who lead the left though that was all an awesome idea,,,,let's not forget that MKAY?
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This seems extremely obtuse.

1) "We the People" picked Trump after "We the People" picked Obama twice. Of course, "We the People" also chose Bush twice before that. And "We the People" chose Clinton twice before that. Check your history. Political rotation happens. What are you so proud of?

2) The very temporary "*****" demonstrators after Trump's election have nothing on the Conservative idiocy that pretended for years that Obama was a Muslim terrorist from Kenya. And that bit of idiocy moved on to defy Obama at even their own children's cost (pizza is a vegetable) while stubbornly declaring tat every scientist on the planet was wrong about Global Warming. But sure...look at those temporary ***** demonstrators with picket signs after last year's election if that helps.

Of course, according to the Democratic Primaries, "We the People" weren't anywhere near as enthusiastic about Clinton as "We the People" were for a military bashing, handicap insulting, and ***** grabbing Donald Trump in the Republican Primaries. Again, what really are you so proud of? You see, Trump won because Hillary Clinton breathed oxygen. And given what Alabama just did, it appears that political rotation is going to happen again this November.

And Trump will not have Hillary Clinton to hand him the prize in 2020, will he? Trump is going to actually have to win that contest by actually doing some good before hand. People who erred on the side of the buffoon, rather than the witch, will not have the witch this time. Democrats and others who abstained because of the witch, thereby handing a vote over to Trump, will not have the witch to keep them home. And no amount of exaggerated "accomplishments," or imagined "progress" by turning back the clock, or taking credit where credit is not due, is going to fool the voters that swing. Especially now that we can all see that the best a GOP controlled Washington D.C. can do is make a long budget problem in America worse by only managing to pass a budget that lasts only four weeks at a time.

You really should try to start placing this personal gloat party into perspective. You really didn't achieve anything. A silver-spooned, spoiled brat, elitist who buys and sells politicians did; and all he had to do was channel all that "born in Kenya" nonsense into a few slogans against Hillary Clinton and quite easily con people into betraying everything they once expressed to stand for. Attaching your soul to political victory only leaves you praising lunacy at all costs and eventually depressed when it comes time to rotate.
 
MSgt said:
This seems extremely obtuse.

1) "We the People" picked Trump after "We the People" picked Obama twice. Of course, "We the People" also chose Bush twice before that. And "We the People" chose Clinton twice before that. Check your history. Political rotation happens. What are you so proud of?

2) The very temporary "*****" demonstrators after Trump's election have nothing on the Conservative idiocy that pretended for years that Obama was a Muslim terrorist from Kenya. And that bit of idiocy moved on to defy Obama at even their own children's cost (pizza is a vegetable) while stubbornly declaring tat every scientist on the planet was wrong about Global Warming. But sure...look at those temporary ***** demonstrators with picket signs after last year's election if that helps.

Of course, according to the Democratic Primaries, "We the People" weren't anywhere near as enthusiastic about Clinton as "We the People" were for a military bashing, handicap insulting, and ***** grabbing Donald Trump in the Republican Primaries. Again, what really are you so proud of? You see, Trump won because Hillary Clinton breathed oxygen. And given what Alabama just did, it appears that political rotation is going to happen again this November.

And Trump will not have Hillary Clinton to hand him the prize in 2020, will he? Trump is going to actually have to win that contest by actually doing some good before hand. People who erred on the side of the buffoon, rather than the witch, will not have the witch this time. Democrats and others who abstained because of the witch, thereby handing a vote over to Trump, will not have the witch to keep them home. And no amount of exaggerated "accomplishments," or imagined "progress" by turning back the clock, or taking credit where credit is not due, is going to fool the voters that swing. Especially now that we can all see that the best a GOP controlled Washington D.C. can do is make a long budget problem in America worse by only managing to pass a budget that lasts only four weeks at a time.

You really should try to start placing this personal gloat party into perspective. You really didn't achieve anything. A silver-spooned, spoiled brat, elitist who buys and sells politicians did; and all he had to do was channel all that "born in Kenya" nonsense into a few slogans against Hillary Clinton and quite easily con people into betraying everything they once expressed to stand for. Attaching your soul to political victory only leaves you praising lunacy at all costs and eventually depressed when it comes time to rotate.
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Which sadly only tells me that voters are not clear what they want. For example in recent years, voters ushered in democrats and Pres Obama only to throw lots out in 2010 over healthcare. Now those same voters want to vote republicans out because they attempted to do what the voters claimed they wanted in getting rid of that healthcare? Crazy town.
 
pilot16 said:
Which sadly only tells me that voters are not clear what they want. For example in recent years, voters ushered in democrats and Pres Obama only to throw lots out in 2010 over healthcare. Now those same voters want to vote republicans out because they attempted to do what the voters claimed they wanted in getting rid of that healthcare? Crazy town.
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Yeah, they either just flip back and forth as if they are using a coin to determine their temporary moods or they vote in accordance to team no matter what, demonstrating that they have no real belief system. It is clear that these voters don't have a clue who they even are, yet they vote for people to represent that confusion? No wonder our politicians are garbage. The people encourage them to be.

But I see more blame in the two-party system than the voter who constantly has to sacrifice between two ignorant fools. And they are fools because they refuse to acknowledge where they are ignorant, thereby seeking the advice from political partisans who are also fools. In the mean time, the actual experts scream at them through sound proof windows.
 
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Didn't bother. Trumps political agenda and his myriad problems are no secret.
 
MSgt said:
Yeah, they either just flip back and forth as if they are using a coin to determine their temporary moods or they vote in accordance to team no matter what, demonstrating that they have no real belief system. It is clear that these voters don't have a clue who they even are, yet they vote for people to represent that confusion? No wonder our politicians are garbage. The people encourage them to be.

But I see more blame in the two-party system than the voter who constantly has to sacrifice between two ignorant fools. And they are fools because they refuse to acknowledge where they are ignorant, thereby seeking the advice from political partisans who are also fools. In the mean time, the actual experts scream at them through sound proof windows.
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A lot of it comes from the money in politics. It wasnt long ago that democrats were the blue collar party and union members wore "Buy American" tshirts. That changed because in order to gain donations, they needed to transition to global corporations. GOP has morphed as well in contrast. So voters are left with a feeling of mistrust from both sides. Its a big reason why they flip flop so often and the numbers of independents out there is growing. I always laugh when either side claims "that party is dead" because as soon as they gain control the voters automatically go right back to voting for them.
 
MovingPictures said:
I could be absolutely proven wrong (I hope that I am), but I don't have a good feeling for the Democrats in November.

Trump is an historically unpopular president. Many Americans out there loathe the mans incompetency and narcissism, and the constant drama and dysfunction that is his WH. There are so many things going wrong with his administration, as well the Congress that is led by Republicans, it seems impossible for them to choke this election cycle, yet it seems they are like they are trying to let certain victory slip through their hands ... again.

The response to the SOTU should have been easy as pie: talk about the chaos. That's it, that's all they need to do. Just stay on that point, leave all the nonsense at the GOP's doorstep, and let the GOP own the reckless behavior of this president.

Instead they got a nervous young man with zero charisma, all because of his 'dynasty' name, and he came off as scripted and out of touch.

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Of course I'm biased but I have no idea why they chose this Kennedy kid and pumped him so hard. He could barely get the hand picked crowd excited enough to stand. He seems like enough kid but he's going nowhere and whomever wrote his speech should be fired.
 
Don't be fooled by the uncommon, unrealistic, laid-back demeanor displayed by Trump. He was probably forced fed a half of bottle of Xanax before his speech.

All of the fluff and exaggerated spins, accomplishment lists, the yet to be accomplished lists, and in general blowing smoke up everyone's ass, is common during this type of event for any president. But, unexpectedly, Trump dragged out his long, almost sane like speech, without any mention of just how truly crazy his first year in office has really been.

But of course, Trump supporters were swooning and in awe of during his historical State of the Union speech.

Outside of how weirdly calm like Trump was - his speech, in my opinion, was mediocre.
 
dobieg said:
Of course I'm biased but I have no idea why they chose this Kennedy kid and pumped him so hard. He could barely get the hand picked crowd excited enough to stand. He seems like enough kid but he's going nowhere and whomever wrote his speech should be fired.
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Well, they chose him because of his historical name. And they wanted Americans to see their association to that historical name in their criticism of Trump because it pushes a certain air of legitimacy. It would be like the GOP later pulling out a "Reagan" to help with the criticism of a Democrat.

But like everybody else, the Democratic Party appears to be wanting to exploit that horse for all its worth for immediate and temporary gratification. They can't see past the ends of their noses. A "Kennedy" will be worth nothing in the future if they push him before his time.
 
I didn't see the speech, but perhaps I should have. According to numerous writers that usually see events as I do, Trump (surprisingly) hit a stunning home run. The conservative press, including skeptical Trump critics on the right, are a mixture of shock and gushing praise on how good Trump can be if he sticks to the script. Apparently the long inclusion of the heroes in the crowd was a memorable and highly emotional event, and was the foundation of his message - each story being tied to a policy initiative.

Democrats, apparently, sat on their hands and hissed, even on the few themes they normally agree with. Brooding, dark hearted, and small the Democrats couldn't even bring themselves to stand for the national anthem (I wonder if that will be in some GOP Congressman's campaign ad?).

And Kennedy was reputed to be a sad embarrassment, a sacrificial lamb that embodies the floundering of a party trying to sell itself as "vox populi" using the remnants of a New England elite dynasty.

Sounds like Trump nailed it.
 
Boring, no different than most SOTU addresses. Everything is coming up roses, great things are coming just wait, etc.

I have no issue with Dems not standing. The man has done nothing to earn their respect. And after 8 years of of caustic response to anything Obama did, I'm surprised that the Trumplings are so easily butt hurt.
 
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