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Should Schumer Be Replaced?

Should Schumer Be Replaced?


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Taken at that level, has the Republican leadership proven themselves that much better? :shrug:

I wouldn’t say “better”. But they have been comparatively more successful. But that isn’t saying much.
 
Uh...really? You're honestly pondering how the LEFT will feel?

Let me predict the poll outcome. All of right will vote "yes" and all of the left will vote "no".

I'm ditto'ing post #8. Every single elected official in the Kingdom of Washington needs to be booted, rinse and repeat a few times...and any staffer that's worked at the Capitol for more than a year.

Agree, with getting them all out. However, why would people on the Right vote "yes"? I would think that especially with Trump in office, the last thing anyone on the Right would want is someone competent replacing Schumer or Pelosi.
 
Uh...really? You're honestly pondering how the LEFT will feel?

Let me predict the poll outcome. All of right will vote "yes" and all of the left will vote "no".

I'm ditto'ing post #8. Every single elected official in the Kingdom of Washington needs to be booted, rinse and repeat a few times...and any staffer that's worked at the Capitol for more than a year.


That was the sentiment of 60% of western Canadians in the late 80's. We had been screwed one too many times and while the two westernmost provinces paid the bills, Quebec and Ontario got all the attention.

Along came a man named Preston Manning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Manning and the Reform Party. Reform will go down in history as the moist significant vehicle for change that never formed government.

I've said before that as soon as the colonials threw out the king you built a castle for the president and to this day is the only democratically elected leader to be hailed into the room with his own military march music. Americans have to lose that concept, forget the two party system, which is one party with two sides and revolt.

The last election, if I recall correctly, was one of the poorest turn out of voters in history. Tap that, the people so fed up they can't be bothered to vote anymore because it makes no difference. That was what Reform tapped. They had to lose the ideas of right wing and left wing and embrace practicality; the party drove a huge reduction in the deficit, then drove a realignment of all of Canada's social programs, blowing them out of the water to be replaced by tax benefits. It was the most fundamental change in the Canadian system since WWII.

You are being destroyed from within by special interest groups and lobbyists. No one in Washington makes voting decisions on what's best for the country, but rather what is good for them. Rather like the senate in ancient Rome who gleefully invaded countries to rape and plunder to maintain their lavish lifestyles.

Can someone explain to me how it is every senator and congressman seem to be wealthy/
 
Some progressives lost their minds today because the minority party recognized that they were in a bad position and folded on one CR that won't even last three weeks. Sheesh, you don't go all-in when you're holding a pair of deuces and it's pretty clear that your opponent has a full house.

No Democrats got CHIPS today, and they were smart enough to only allow 17 days for Republicans to come up with a DACA bill--and if not the government will get shut down again.

This is the first time in this nations history where one party rule where Republicans are the majority in the Senate--the majority in the House, and the White House is Republican that they shut down their own government. The great deal maker couldn't get it done--:lamo

If anyone is looking incompetent and totally clueless on how to lead this Government it's definitely REPUBLICANS.

The shutdown was done for Trump's new T.V. reality show--called the Oval office show.



Even Lindsey Graham a (Republican) blamed Trump for the shutdown.

The White House and many Congressional Republicans attempted Friday to pin the potential government shutdown on Senate Democrats, trying to name it the “Schumer Shutdown” after Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY). But their strategy was undermined by a prominent member of the president’s own party.

Lindsey Graham, the senior senator from South Carolina, told MSNBC that he is still a “no” on the legislation passed by the House on Thursday that would keep the government open for 30 days but do nothing to protect beneficiaries of President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA). DACA provided protection to more than 750,000 people who were brought as undocumented immigrants to the United States as children, but President Donald Trump’s administration has moved to end the protections starting in March.

“I’m not going to continue this game with DACA recipients’ lives,” Graham explained. “A lot of people on my side say ‘What’s the urgency?’ Well, put yourself in their shoes. You’re a teacher somewhere, you don’t know if March the 5th you’ll be kicked out of the country you call home. This idea that we’ve got plenty of time — I don’t like that. If you’re one these recipients you feel like we should have done this yesterday. And 80 percent of the American people are actually with us.”

Trump earlier this week rejected a bipartisan deal that would have protected DACA beneficiaries and cleared the way for a funding bill, after initially expressing a willingness to sign such a deal. Graham laid the blame for the impasse on Trump’s flip-flop and his listening to bad advice from two people: White House aide Stephen Miller and freshman Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR).

South Carolina Lindsey Graham blames White House for shutdown | The State

Steven Miller is a white house aid--and a mini me of Steve Bannon, and of course Tom Cotton is the senator from Arkansas.

So Trump flips & flops and whomever is in the room with him last--gets his attention. That's the attention span of the great deal maker you have elected--:lamo
 

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These regressive progressives, with their ignorant purity tests, gave us trump, mcconnelism, and boehner/ryan.
Hope they enjoy gorsuch, and even worse all of the circuit and district teat party gops now on the bench.

Women's marches, the Black Belt, the potential Brown belt; none of these groups are represented by these residue regressives.

The very real problem I'm seeing is way too many DEM candidates in primaries before the general against at-risk gops ...

Agreed. They simply do not understand the concept of political capital. Which, when you don't control any branch of government, you have very little of. But we do have the filibuster, and since the Republicans threw us a lifeline by spending their reconciliation card on tax reform, we will have plenty of opportunities to stop bad legislation this calendar year.
 
The entire Democratic leadership should be replaced. They have proven themselves incompetent on multiple occasions.

Agreed. Pathetic, weak, spineless, even corrupt, and in many cases paid to be by overlapping donors who hedge their political bets and also back the Republicans.
 
That's in the eyes of the beholder.

I’m just going off of victories rather than merit. The Republicans won more seats in the elections, they won the Presidency, though not with their ideal pick, they stopped Obama from getting his SCOTUS pick through and got their own in, and they got their tax bill through.

Whether or not these victories make our country better is extremely debatable, but they have more wins than the Democrats recently.
 
That was the sentiment of 60% of western Canadians in the late 80's. We had been screwed one too many times and while the two westernmost provinces paid the bills, Quebec and Ontario got all the attention.

Along came a man named Preston Manning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Manning and the Reform Party. Reform will go down in history as the moist significant vehicle for change that never formed government.

I've said before that as soon as the colonials threw out the king you built a castle for the president and to this day is the only democratically elected leader to be hailed into the room with his own military march music. Americans have to lose that concept, forget the two party system, which is one party with two sides and revolt.

The last election, if I recall correctly, was one of the poorest turn out of voters in history. Tap that, the people so fed up they can't be bothered to vote anymore because it makes no difference. That was what Reform tapped. They had to lose the ideas of right wing and left wing and embrace practicality; the party drove a huge reduction in the deficit, then drove a realignment of all of Canada's social programs, blowing them out of the water to be replaced by tax benefits. It was the most fundamental change in the Canadian system since WWII.

You are being destroyed from within by special interest groups and lobbyists. No one in Washington makes voting decisions on what's best for the country, but rather what is good for them. Rather like the senate in ancient Rome who gleefully invaded countries to rape and plunder to maintain their lavish lifestyles.

Can someone explain to me how it is every senator and congressman seem to be wealthy/

It is all about the Personal Brand now, building that, milking that, for wealth and power.

That and successfully driving a bus to UTOPIA

SAD
 
The entire Democratic leadership should be replaced. They have proven themselves incompetent on multiple occasions.

I will be voting against every single incumbent on the national level this November. They all are complicit with the shutdown mess.

This kind of reaction seems over the top to me. We have no idea how any of this is going to turn out for at least three weeks.
 
These gop rightists have dragged out their term-limit card in midterms since 1994, as we saw in 2010, 2014, and now 2018.
It's what they know how to do as the minority party and what they're trying to do as the ruling party.
As mcconnelism said in 2014 on Garland, let the people decide with their votes in 2018 ...

Dredge the political swamp. It's' time. Homer Simpson could do a better job.
 
Dredge the political swamp. It's' time. Homer Simpson could do a better job.

Most definitely. Homer would be more concerned with beer, than anything that will harm this nation.
 
This kind of reaction seems over the top to me. We have no idea how any of this is going to turn out for at least three weeks.

It has already turned out to be a mess, for every one. Some kind of deal should have been made, before the shutdown. My anger is bipartisan, not directed at any one person, or any one party. If you cannot do your job, we need to find some one who can.
 
This kind of reaction seems over the top to me. We have no idea how any of this is going to turn out for at least three weeks.

I’m just talking about the leadership (around a dozen people), not every single incumbent. I’m not quite as blood thirsty as Redress. :)
 
Wow! Wasn't expecting that. I owe you one, the art of our deal.
Btw, brother slick, on the topic you brought up, I'm betting the USSC legalizes sports gambling in the next few months.
Roberts and Kennedy are libertarians first, GOPs second. However, any of the four liberals could turn regressive.

My points on one of our favorite pastimes:

An explosion of tens of billions to the economy.
Nevada still gets their cut with their patents; a William Hill 'billy hill' automated kiosk would be nice here.
Land and river based casinos would go nuts.
I'm sure you're down with web sites sitting offshore waiting for this gambling prohibition to end.

As for problem gamblers, there needs to be a way for responsible sports books to track them if they're hurting their families ....

You laid out a pretty hopeful scenario I hope it happens. Even if it does I doubt if it will be like the wild west as before. Olympic, Pinnacle,
WWTS left quickly after 2007 & so did NETELLER which allowed us heavy into the scene deposit into the books we lost money in & withdraw
from from the not sharp books which we won in in a matter of minutes. It was all arbitrage some books would have -200 on the favorite
& others +230 on the underdog & I'd slam those odds till they changed.

I recall the week after 9/11/01 I had I'm guessing about 15,000 on one team & 17,000 on the other between the Giants & Denver &
was set to win 600 no matter which side won and the game was cancelled because of the terror strike on the twin towers in NY city.
There were pitfalls too. I had 36,000 in Aces Gold when they folded after the Patriots beat St. Louis in the Super Bowl, never got a cent back
but still at the end of the year despite the setback was still ahead 22,000 for the year.

If the SC makes sports betting legal again I'll definitely jump back again but do feel the books slow to see line movements
will become more sophisticated so 'scalping' won't be as profitable. It was Frist, Kyle & Goodlatte
who were the prime movers ending it for guys like me I'm not a hater but severely detest what they managed to do.
 
Why is it that Majority Leader Sen. Frist became the very first ML to campaign inside a state against then Minority Leader Daschle?!
Remember the fit McConnell threw and threatened if Reid would have done that to Mitch in 2014?

Why did #2 McConnell threaten to use his Nuclear Option against DEMs and Daschle during Bush-43, certainly not working together?!
It was Frist and McConnell who followed Lott.

Why does McConnellism get a pass to falsely equate with whoever the DEM leader is?
Sorry brother Pero, first it was Reid and Pelosi; now it's Schumer.
Yet we still we have McConnellism and the Freedum Circus stalemating the Nation ...

I've always said McConnell must go along with Reid when Reid was Senate majority leader. You should remember that. I do remember you thought for a few Days after McConnell took over you could work with him. I told you then, you couldn't. Such is life.
 
I've always said McConnell must go along with Reid when Reid was Senate majority leader. You should remember that. I do remember you thought for a few Days after McConnell took over you could work with him. I told you then, you couldn't. Such is life.

And now that Reid's gone, you've stated that Schumer should also be gone. Where does that end ?
 
Personally, I think both McConnell and Schumer need to go. I view both as partisan hacks who puts the good of their political party ahead of the nation. In plain English, both suck. We haven't had adult leadership in the senate since it was Daschle and Lott and before them, Dole and Mitchell. Those guys could work together for the betterment of the country. Not our present two senate leaders.

Agree with you on this. It's time for some new young blood.

I don't care who the Dems would replace Schumer with as Minority leader, but I'd like to see Marco Rubio as Majority leader.
 
Agree with you on this. It's time for some new young blood.

I don't care who the Dems would replace Schumer with as Minority leader, but I'd like to see Marco Rubio as Majority leader.

After Little Marco got his ass handed to him by an amateur he decided finally to try to learn this business......which is nice.....but surely there is someone more ready to go.....
 
And now that Reid's gone, you've stated that Schumer should also be gone. Where does that end ?

Hopefully with both McConnell and Schumer gone, it leads to younger and fresher faces in the leadership roles of both parties. It's time for a generational change. Maybe a Gardner, Rubio, Ernst or the like on one side. I've always liked Jon Tester and Joe Manchin, but they are up there in age. Perhaps a Baldwin, Heitkamp or one of the two Virginia senators.

the thing probably more important than just a name change which seems what we had when the Democrats went from Reid to Schumer, we need an attitude adjustment. We need to get back to the cooperation that was seen between Dole and Mitchell, Lott and Daschle. We need leaders who can talk and listen to the other side and work for the betterment of the country, not just their party.
 
Hopefully with both McConnell and Schumer gone, it leads to younger and fresher faces in the leadership roles of both parties. It's time for a generational change. Maybe a Gardner, Rubio, Ernst on the like on one side. I've always liked Jon Tester and Joe Manchin, but they are up there in age. Perhaps a Baldwin, Heitkamp or one of the two Virginia senators.

the thing probably more important than just a name change which seems what we had when the Democrats went from Reid to Schumer, we need an attitude adjustment. We need to get back to the cooperation that was seen between Dole and Mitchell, Lott and Daschle. We need leaders who can talk and listen to the other side and work for the betterment of the country, not just their party.

People who have at least considered the idea.....
 
Agree with you on this. It's time for some new young blood.

I don't care who the Dems would replace Schumer with as Minority leader, but I'd like to see Marco Rubio as Majority leader.

I think Rubio would be a good choice. But as I just told Nimby, I think an attitude adjustment in the senate is more important than what name the leaders are. But it will take two exceptional leaders to bring that attitude adjustment back.
 
Schumer loves to play "lets make a deal" and is one of those politicians who is enthralled by believing he can bring people together under his magical powers.

In addition, I am convinced one reason the Republicans and Trump were able to get the upper hand in the shutdown is because of the clever use of SCHUMER SHUTDOWN - the use of the alliteration of the opening sound of both words. It simply rolls off the tongue and is catchy and memorable. Replace him with somebody else and they lose that little weapon next time around.
 
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