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Immigration: What Should the Population of the USA be?

What do you think the US population Should be?

  • About where it is now (325 million)

    Votes: 10 76.9%

  • 600 million

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 1 billion

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • 1.5 billion

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .
chuckiechan said:
We can’t control global population growth, only seek shelter from it. We are too small.
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if humans don't do it voluntarily, natural forces will. ever grown a shake flask of E. coli? i have. the result is always the same if you let it go past log phase.

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Chuckiechan:

I don't think you can control the population growth and demographics in a state where individual liberty and free will reign supreme. Only a powerful centralised state willing to use the weight of law and coercive force to impose reproductive and migration regulation can control this effectively. So in order to control the population of America you must first undermine the values of America. Is reining in your population growth worth denying your fellow citizens their reproductive liberty? Is that a wise choice?

Your question may thus be rendered moot. Are you a Malthusian King Canute trying to hold back the tide of the sea by sitting on the beach and commanding the waters to retreat? Canute demonstrated the folly of this kind of thinking. Somethings cannot be controlled or have too high a price to control.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Wow!! 100% of people believe that the population now is the right population.
 
Helix said:
if humans don't do it voluntarily, natural forces will. ever grown a shake flask of E. coli? i have. the result is always the same if you let it go past log phase.

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I think I get that it's closed up in a flask with a fixed amount or nourishment and it eventually dies in it's own pollution. But I'm not so sure it applies to what we are talking about unless we are drifting off to an environmental area.
 
chuckiechan said:
I think I get that it's closed up in a flask with a fixed amount or nourishment and it eventually dies in it's own pollution. But I'm not so sure it applies to what we are talking about unless we are drifting off to an environmental area.
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it's log phase growth in a closed system. i doubt that unchecked human population growth will be vastly different.
 
The population itself isn't the problem. The rate at which we take immigrants, the cultures they bring in, the need for the immigrants, and we need immigrants to assimilate. The high rate we take immigrants, the less likely they are to assimilate. So I voted 1B as a maz population because I guesstimated that's about where the population would start causing serious concerns for sustainability, but we don't want to get to that 1B overnight.
 
chuckiechan said:
If we assume that democrats will attain power again someday, and we assume they are for open immigration.

What would the ideal population of the USA be?

I heard a Libertarian Talking Head say 1.5 billion. "What a power house we would be"

How large do you want the US population to be?

And were do you want them to come from?

Feel free to include environmental and quality of life issues...
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What do you mean, "What should our population be"? Is that even a question we should be asking?
 
chuckiechan said:
If we assume that democrats will attain power again someday, and we assume they are for open immigration.

What would the ideal population of the USA be?

I heard a Libertarian Talking Head say 1.5 billion. "What a power house we would be"

How large do you want the US population to be?

And were do you want them to come from?

Feel free to include environmental and quality of life issues...
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I cannot imagine why a libertarian would want 1.5 billion people in the United States as high population densities by their very nature require more authoritarian public policy. With over a billion people in this country, we would be a lot like China in that the vast, vast majority of people would live in high rises, taxes would have to be higher to pay for all the infrastructure needed for such a population, local governments would have to set population limits in our larger cities, environmental regulations on individuals would be much, much more onerous, public health regulations would be much stronger and so on.
 
Fraggle Rock said:
I fully agree...but don't be so hard on Trump....lawless scum like him will be dealt with by Mueller soon enough.
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Sounds like you're advocating the creation of concentration camps.
 
Phys251 said:
What do you mean, "What should our population be"? Is that even a question we should be asking?
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Sure it is. At some point, we'll run out of space, money and resources within The United States to support the population.
 
Where we currently are right now, it's fine.
 
As I recall Lyndon Johnson around 1963 was bragging about his new born grandchild was the 200th million person
in the USA. Considering that the census in 1950 was 160 million so that's an increase of 3 million per year when
the USA was in its prime years. That should give us in the 55 years since 165 million more which computes out to
365 million & we are at 330 million now. Personally I prefer a lot less but 330 million does seem about right, it isn't
an amount yet that demonstrates population is getting out of hand.
 
chuckiechan said:
If you are saying it’s false that democrats seek to increase their winability with high immigration from a Mexico and South America, I’d like to see some proof.

People, like the tribes before us always migrate to where the resources are.

BTW, how many of you have even thought about population levels?
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I would respond that if you have some proof that the democrats are in favor of open immigration as stated in the OP, you should provide that. It will be interesting to see.
 
chuckiechan said:
If we assume that democrats will attain power again someday, and we assume they are for open immigration.

What would the ideal population of the USA be?

I heard a Libertarian Talking Head say 1.5 billion. "What a power house we would be"

How large do you want the US population to be?

And were do you want them to come from?

Feel free to include environmental and quality of life issues...
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We should move everybody in the world here. Specifically, Nebraska.
 
The United States is already below (1.9) our population-replacement birthrate (2.1) and continuing to fall.

The birth rates for black and Hispanic women is now almost on a par with birth rates for white and Asian women.

Ergo, immigration is required simply to maintain our current population (325 million).

U.S. Fertility Rate Reaches a record Low
 
I'm not too concerned about what the population of the US is. I personally think that we should just have open borders with the exception of violent criminals. However, even with open borders, we can maintain the same requirements to becoming a citizen.
 
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