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Muslim Poll

Are Muslims killing ppl who don't share their beliefs in the name of Allah?

  • Yes

    Votes: 34 63.0%

  • No

    Votes: 20 37.0%
  • Total voters
    54
SoulFire77 said:
My point was not that "it was old." My point was: You were quoting a Jewish text, not a specifically Christian one. Do you understand how Sharia Law compares to the "Golden Rule"?? Jesus gave us one commandment and one law: Love each other, even your enemies... Islam's pedophile prophet had a different point of view, however.
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Funny, that Jewish law you so quickly try to discount is part of the Christian Bible. In fact according to the Bible, without it, there would be no NT. Christians also had their time during the middle ages on up to the Colonial expantion to do it's dirty work in God's name. Manifest Destiny comes to mind. The brutal conversions of natives etc. You have no bigoted leg to stand on.
 
SoulFire77 said:
Again, Jewish scriptures. Modern Jews do not kill unbelievers for not converting, modern Muslims do. Period.
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Notice I quoted something you said about Christians. I have heard directly from conservatives Christians' mouths that they believe in "the whole Bible, Genesis to Revelation." That includes multiple passages in the OT about killing unbelievers. Do you deny this, or do you need a quick refresher?
 
Black Dog said:
Funny, that Jewish law you so quickly try to discount is part of the Christian Bible. In fact according to the Bible, without it, there would be no NT. Christians also had their time during the middle ages on up to the Colonial expantion to do it's dirty work in God's name. Manifest Destiny comes to mind. The brutal conversions of natives etc. You have no bigoted leg to stand on.
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Please name the book and verse of the Bible that says Christians are under the same law as Jews? Also, please quote the words of Jesus that allow one to commit murder or genocide?? Or, to forcibly convert someone to Christianity???
 
Black Dog said:
Funny how I answered your question and you say "It looks like I'll have to answer my own question."

Those charts do not show any difference between religious fundamentalists. Not every Muslim who supports sharia law is a fundamentalist. It also asked a large portion if sharia should be the law of the land in MUSLIM areas.

You can't even get your own facts straight.
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Sharia Law is religious law supplanting secular law. By definition, anyone who wishes for religious law to replace secular law is a fundamentalist.

Sharia law is Islam's legal system. It is derived from both the Koran, Islam's central text, and fatwas - the rulings of Islamic scholars.
Sharia law divides offences into two general categories: "hadd" offences, which are serious crimes with set penalties, and "tazir" crimes, where the punishment is left to the discretion of the judge.

Hadd offences include theft, which can be punishable by amputating the offender's hand, and adultery, which can carry the penalty of death by stoning.

The UN has spoken out against death by stoning, saying it "constitutes torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment and is thus clearly prohibited".
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What is Sharia and how is it applied? - BBC News
 
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Black Dog said:
Funny, that Jewish law you so quickly try to discount is part of the Christian Bible. In fact according to the Bible, without it, there would be no NT.
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Christians place higher significance on the New Testament, you know that I hope.

Christians also had their time during the middle ages on up to the Colonial expantion to do it's dirty work in God's name. Manifest Destiny comes to mind. The brutal conversions of natives etc. You have no bigoted leg to stand on.
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Here we go with the whataboutism.

Can a liberal ever discuss MODERN ISLAM without referring to ANCIENT CHRISTIANITY?
 
Phys251 said:
Notice I quoted something you said about Christians. I have heard directly from conservatives Christians' mouths that they believe in "the whole Bible, Genesis to Revelation." That includes multiple passages in the OT about killing unbelievers. Do you deny this, or do you need a quick refresher?
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Sure, because there are SO MANY Christian Conservatives out there killing people for failing to convert to Judaism, right?
 
truthatallcost said:
You and your article are completely disingenuous.

Muslims make up 1% of the population of the U.S.
Non-Muslims make up 99% of the population of the U.S.

The only way to know if Muslim's are overrepresented as terrorists, is to compare their overall population percentage with the percentage of terrorists who were Muslim.

"Terrorists have murdered 3,342 people on U.S. soil from 1992 through August 12, 2017 (Figure 1). Islamists committed 92 percent of all those murders and are, far and away, the deadliest group of terrorists by ideology."

https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-deaths-ideology-charlottesville-anomaly
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CATO institute? Seriously that is your source? LMAO! OK.

in 2015 out of 47 deaths due to terror in the US, 25 were Islamic, 22 were white men.

In 2016 out of 64 deaths due to terror incidents in the US, 52 were Islamic, 12 were white men.

In 2017 there was around 35 deaths due to terror incidents in the US, 15 were Islamic, 20 were white men.

All your article is doing is trying to fluff the numbers to make it look like terrorism is on the rise when this is not true at all.

My information is correct and uses solid information without the obfuscation.

Tell us another one.
 
SoulFire77 said:
Sure, because there are SO MANY Christian Conservatives out there killing people for failing to convert to Judaism, right?
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Precisely. Much consideration needs to be given to the practical results of religious texts. Christians aren't out killing people today over bible verses.
 
Black Dog said:
CATO institute? Seriously that is your source? LMAO! OK.

in 2015 out of 47 deaths due to terror in the US, 25 were Islamic, 22 were white men.

In 2016 out of 64 deaths due to terror incidents in the US, 52 were Islamic, 12 were white men.

In 2017 there was around 35 deaths due to terror incidents in the US, 15 were Islamic, 20 were white men.

All your article is doing is trying to fluff the numbers to make it look like terrorism is on the rise when this is not true at all.

My information is correct and uses solid information without the obfuscation.

Tell us another one.
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So you aren't even going to try to pretend that you're really considering Islam compared with other religions now. Now you're switching your argument to 'Islam vs White Men'.

Retarded.

Islam isn't a race.
White men isn't a religion.
Your argument = potato
 
truthatallcost said:
Christians place higher significance on the New Testament, you know that I hope.
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You don't know anything about me. I don't care how you try to weasel about the significance of one or the other. The crusades and colonialism etc say different.

truthatallcost said:
Here we go with the whataboutism.

Can a liberal ever discuss MODERN ISLAM without referring to ANCIENT CHRISTIANITY?
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No we can't. Christianity has a long and bloody past. Hell in recent history the Pope supported the Nazi's. So no you can't.
 
truthatallcost said:
So you aren't even going to try to pretend that you're really considering Islam compared with other religions now. Now you're switching your argument to 'Islam vs White Men'.

Retarded.

Islam isn't a race.
White men isn't a religion.
Your argument = potato
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You switched it by trying to use bad information from the CATO institute. Not my fault your posts are garbage information.
 
Black Dog said:
CATO institute? Seriously that is your source? LMAO! OK.

in 2015 out of 47 deaths due to terror in the US, 25 were Islamic, 22 were white men.

In 2016 out of 64 deaths due to terror incidents in the US, 52 were Islamic, 12 were white men.

In 2017 there was around 35 deaths due to terror incidents in the US, 15 were Islamic, 20 were white men.

All your article is doing is trying to fluff the numbers to make it look like terrorism is on the rise when this is not true at all.

My information is correct and uses solid information without the obfuscation.

Tell us another one.
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You forgot the figures for 2001.
 
SoulFire77 said:
Please name the book and verse of the Bible that says Christians are under the same law as Jews? Also, please quote the words of Jesus that allow one to commit murder or genocide?? Or, to forcibly convert someone to Christianity???
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Sure...

Matthew 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God's law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.

John 1:2 He existed in the beginning with God.

Deuteronomy, chapter 20 But in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Per'izzites, the Hivites and the Jeb'usites, as the LORD your God has commanded that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices which they have done in the service of their gods, and so to sin against the LORD your God.

Any questions?
 
SoulFire77 said:
You forgot the figures for 2001.
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9/11? Why would I go back what? 16 years? That was one attack that can never be repeated, and has not been. I didn't forget ****. Like the CATO institute adding it to screw the per capita and percentages for likelihood, lol.
 
Black Dog said:
You don't know anything about me. I don't care how you try to weasel about the significance of one or the other. The crusades and colonialism etc say different.
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Do you understand that the OP was referring to 2018 when she posed her question? I've seen this all before; someone attempts to start a discussion about modern Islam, and you folks jump into your time machine, and dial it in for 1000 years ago.




No we can't. Christianity has a long and bloody past. Hell in recent history the Pope supported the Nazi's. So no you can't.
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The Nazi regime had sympathizers in the Arab world too, in fact they still do. But that's beside the point. No matter how much you try to drag the convo into bashing the ye olde Christians of yesteryear, the discussion is about MODERN ISLAM.
 
Black Dog said:
Sure...

Matthew 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God's law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.

John 1:2 He existed in the beginning with God.

Deuteronomy, chapter 20 But in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Per'izzites, the Hivites and the Jeb'usites, as the LORD your God has commanded that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices which they have done in the service of their gods, and so to sin against the LORD your God.

Any questions?
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Christ fulfilled the law... as any child who attends Sunday School could tell you...

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." - Romans 10:4

"Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian..." Galations 3:23-25
 
Black Dog said:
9/11? Why would I go back what? 16 years? That was one attack that can never be repeated, and has not been. I didn't forget ****. Like the CATO institute adding it to screw the per capita and percentages for likelihood, lol.
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Yeah! Why would you only go back 16 measly years when you can go back 1,000 years to talk about the crusades?

Amiright?
 
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Black Dog said:
9/11? Why would I go back what? 16 years? That was one attack that can never be repeated, and has not been. I didn't forget ****. Like the CATO institute adding it to screw the per capita and percentages for likelihood, lol.
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Well, the post you were responding to included 2001... You only mentioned the last few years. Convenient...

"...can never be repeated..."? That's what they said about Pearl Harbor, isn't it?

https://www.hoover.org/research/another-911-possible
 
Aristaeus said:
Some Muslims kill others who don't share the same belief, but most don't.

Some Christians kill others who don't share the same belief, but most don't.

Some Hindus kill others who don't share the same belief, but most don't.
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Aren't you over-generalizing a bit? I've never heard of a Christian or Hindu suicide bomber. No, it's an islamist thing.
 
Grand Mal said:
First off, every bigot and racist in every internet forum starts posts by saying, "I'm not a racist/bigot BUT..." and then goes on to make a racist or bigotted post. It's not Muslims who are in the practice of barbarically killing people, it's radical religious fundamentalists. Radical religious fundamentalists poison the atmosphere wherever they are and it just happens that the most poisonous at the moment are Islamic radical religious fundamentalists.
Or do you think that the millions of Muslims, the vast majority of Muslims who live peaceful, moral, ordinary lives are somehow responsible for what violent radical fundamentalists do?
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My post is not racist or bigoted but your reply is. I don't know how the vast majority of muslims live but it seems to me that if the Islams are committing atrocities, the vast majority should do something about it lest they be guilty by association.
 
truthatallcost said:
Sure, there's a nut or two in every religion. But are Muslims more likely than Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and others to be radical fundamentalists?
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That is evidently so but if we observe this and say something we're racist bigots.
 
Black Dog said:
If we are going to take old segments out of holy books, lets get hard core...

Joshua 6:1-27 Joshua sent spies to Jericho, the first city of Canaan to be taken, and discovered that the land was in fear of Israel and their God. The Israelites marched around the walls once every day for seven days with the seven priests and the Ark of the Covenant. On the seventh day, they marched around the walls seven times. Then the priests blew their seven ram's horns, the Israelites raised a great shout, and the walls of the city fell. Following God's law of herem the Israelites took no slaves or plunder but slaughtered every man, woman and child in Jericho, sparing only Rahab - a Canaanite prostitute who had sheltered the spies, and her family.
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This is true, but the difference is that Christians have left deutoronomy in the history books while hardcore sharia is still in practice.
 
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