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Re: When LBJ said President B. Lyndon Johnson once said, "I'll have those n....rs voting Democratic

SirGareth said:
Do you think North Korea is a ****hole country (I do)

Do you think South Korea is ****hole country (I don't, it's one of the healthiest economies in the world)

Are North and South Koreans of the same race?

If they are then how can expressing this truth make be a "racist"

It the truth "racist?"
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Are you saying that Trump used that term in discussing immigration from various nations?
 
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lurchadams said:
There is also a recorded phone call of LBJ ordering slacks where he talks about his "bunghole".
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Sure he wasn’t referencing a country?
 
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Marco Montana said:
Were you Outraged when President B. Lyndon Johnson once said, "I'll have those n....rs voting Democratic for 200 years." ?

Was that the same as Trump ( Possibly ) saying Haiti is a ****hole?
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So you must be so proud that Trump is a bit like Johnson.
 
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Rexedgar said:
Sure he wasn’t referencing a country?
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Yeah, I'm sure. But judge for yourself:

 
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haymarket said:
Are you saying that Trump used that term in discussing immigration from various nations?
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How could I say that, I wasn't there.

Is Haiti a ****hole (in the vernacular.) Definitely yes, as is Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and 95% of African and Muslim nations. This doesn't make me a racists since I have opened my home to blacks, to Muslims, and to Asians.

I even helped my Muslim guest arrange his prayer rug in our guest bedroom so he could be sure it was facing Mecca.

Government makes these counties ****hole countries and to some extent people get the government they deserve, but I should hold myself a hypocrite if I held these victims responsible for their government while not holding myself responsible for the Democrat party
 
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SirGareth said:
How could I say that, I wasn't there.
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So why are you arguing about it then if you cannot even agree that Trump said it?
 
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Marco Montana said:
Were you Outraged when President B. Lyndon Johnson once said, "I'll have those n....rs voting Democratic for 200 years." ?

Was that the same as Trump ( Possibly ) saying Haiti is a ****hole?
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1. It's an urban legend, it's not even known if LBJ ever said it: https://www.snopes.com/lbj-voting-democratic/

2. It was a decade before I was born.
 
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Marco Montana said:
Were you Outraged when President B. Lyndon Johnson once said, "I'll have those n....rs voting Democratic for 200 years." ?

Was that the same as Trump ( Possibly ) saying Haiti is a ****hole?
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That is hearsay for which only one source exists (written down decades later).
 
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MTAtech said:
Where is the evidence that LBJ actually said that?
Trump is documented saying what he said.
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This is how it's documented:

Durban leaks 'S....hole' comment, then Durban confirms his leak. Why are all the others at the meeting lying reports CNN.
That is some ironclad documented proof Trump issued that remark, right?

Trump may have issued a comparable remark about all the countries in the visa lottery not just Haiti & Africa but that's
not what is reported. The fact that Trump has made significant inroads into a necessary Democratic voting black has the
left wingers besides themselves leading Durban & his partners in crime the MSM desperately trying to make black seem white.
 
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Marco Montana said:
Were you Outraged when President B. Lyndon Johnson once said, "I'll have those n....rs voting Democratic for 200 years." ?

Was that the same as Trump ( Possibly ) saying Haiti is a ****hole?
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No. I wasn't alive.
 
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PoS said:
I wasnt even born at that time. Not even existing as a sperm.
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Well, you'd have to have been conceived just a few months before then as sperm constantly regenerate.
 
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haymarket said:
To offer an excuse for right wingers why Trumps racist comments are okay to defend.
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I'm not so sure that "****hole" merits a racist accusation though. I don't know how he meant it, but I've been to plenty ****holes.

I can assume that his meaning was based on living his life sitting on golden toilets. And because of his absolute absence of real world experience, I can assume that it was an elitist remark that cares only to describe things in the most shallowest of terms in order to avoid an exercise in socioeconomic understanding of history. It's just a very ignorant statement to make as a United State President, who is supposed to be the nation's chief diplomat. And let's be honest, even a true racist has conviction. Trump really has no convictions or a belief system to speak of. He runs his mouth without thinking and then looks around and hopes people like him for it. This is why his idiotic Tweets pander entirely to his core base and towards creating an imga eof proper diplomacy and statesmanship.
 
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Lutherf said:
Calling Haiti or Libya or Nigeria a ****hole isn't racist. It's a condemnation of the factors that hold the people of those nations back from economic and social progress.

Haiti isn't a ****hole because the majority of the residents are black. It's a ****hole because the government is so damned corrupt that it can't figure out how to equitably distribute aid to the residents after an earthquake. It's a ****hole because the government is so corrupt that the building codes created a situation where most of the structures collapsed during the earthquake killing thousands. It's a ****hole because the government is so corrupt that violent crime rate makes it safer to be in Afghanistan than in Haiti.

Let's talk about Nigeria. Have you ever heard the one about the guy who got an email that he won the Nigerian lottery? The corruption there is rampant. Sure, residents can get a great education but after that they can't get a job. Nothing like having a Masters in chemical engineering and the best job you can get is as a cab driver. Look at this report - https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=21604 - there's something about

that screams "****hole".

Look, I know you guys like to throw the racism thing around. It's a great argument for you because if the target denies it then he's probably a racist for doing so and if he admits it then, obviously, he confirms your accusation. On top of that you can change the definition of "racist" to fit whatever agenda you have so the charge can never really be denied. Great, you found a winner. Everyone you disagree with can be safely labeled a racist and you can't be contradicted. The only problem is that the continued use of this tactic really dilutes the term and detracts from actual instances of racism. You, however, have no need to care about that because the goal was political all along and you're achieving that with your methods. Congratulations.
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It wasn't racist because he called those countries ****holes. It was racist because he was saying that the people from ****holes should be denied access to the US. It may shock you to learn that race varies by country and pre-judging entire countries worth of people is by extension racial prejudice which we've dubbed "racism".
 
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This "s---hole' comment has presented the most fun TV watching since election night on MSNBC!
 
Re: When LBJ said President B. Lyndon Johnson once said, "I'll have those n....rs voting Democratic

SirGareth said:
Do you think North Korea is a ****hole country (I do)

Do you think South Korea is ****hole country (I don't, it's one of the healthiest economies in the world)

Are North and South Koreans of the same race?

If they are then how can expressing these truths make me a "racist"

Is the truth "racist?"
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Race is a non-scientific concept that relates to the origins of ancestors.

If one is bigoted against North Koreans, they are racist.
 
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slick said:
This is how it's documented:

Durban leaks 'S....hole' comment, then Durban confirms his leak. Why are all the others at the meeting lying reports CNN.
That is some ironclad documented proof Trump issued that remark, right?

Trump may have issued a comparable remark about all the countries in the visa lottery not just Haiti & Africa but that's
not what is reported. The fact that Trump has made significant inroads into a necessary Democratic voting black has the
left wingers besides themselves leading Durban & his partners in crime the MSM desperately trying to make black seem white.
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"It didn't happen"

"Even if it did, it's not racist"

Which is it?
 
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haymarket said:
So why are you arguing about it then if you cannot even agree that Trump said it?
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I said I don't know what he said. I wasn't there and If I trusted a Democrat to have integrity may God strike me dead with lightning.

What I said is that Haiti was a ****hole and I have used that term in private to describe a number of countries I have unfortunately had to spend time in (Venezuela, Senegal, The Congo etc)

Whats your point?
 
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Absentglare said:
"It didn't happen"

"Even if it did, it's not racist"

Which is it?
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He may have used comparable words describing the entire list of countries on the 'visa lottery list' as 's---hole countries'
but did not zero in on the Haitians nor the Africa. He wants to end the 'immigrant lottery' and expressed it. He could have been
more guarde & less crude, but Durban twisting his words is the real violation. Something Durban is known for!!!!

Read the post carefully, I report you decide
 
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Absentglare said:
"It didn't happen"

"Even if it did, it's not racist"

Which is it?
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None of the above:

How about, "I don't know and I don't care." That's my response.

PS the racist crap has run out of yardage. Nobody cares what's "racist" anymore, its just a completely meaningless political accusation: "J'Accuse" should have been worn out by the end of the 19th century.
 
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slick said:
He may have used comparable words describing the entire list of countries on the 'visa lottery list' as 's---hole countries'
but did not zero in on the Haitians nor the Africa. He wants to end the 'immigrant lottery' and expressed it. He could have been
more guarde & less crude, but Durban twisting his words is the real violation. Something Durban is known for!!!!

Read the post carefully, I report you decide
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He didn't mention the lottery and he didn't mention merit.

What he said is "Why are we letting in people from these ****holes?" The emphasis is on Why as in "there is no reason to allow these people who are bad, singularly in virtue of their geographic ancestry." That is quintessential racism.
 
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Absentglare said:
He didn't mention the lottery and he didn't mention merit.

What he said is "Why are we letting in people from these ****holes?" The emphasis is on Why as in "there is no reason to allow these people who are bad, singularly in virtue of their geographic ancestry." That is quintessential racism.
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Eventually hopefully it will all come out, I wouldn't be so sure certain of your interpretation of what was uttered if I were you.
My understanding was that he Trump used crude language describing a whole host of countries including some from Central America
not just Haiti & Africa. Everyone has known his stance on these issues for years that shouldn't shock you!
 
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MSgt said:
I'm not so sure that "****hole" merits a racist accusation though. I don't know how he meant it, but I've been to plenty ****holes.

I can assume that his meaning was based on living his life sitting on golden toilets. And because of his absolute absence of real world experience, I can assume that it was an elitist remark that cares only to describe things in the most shallowest of terms in order to avoid an exercise in socioeconomic understanding of history. It's just a very ignorant statement to make as a United State President, who is supposed to be the nation's chief diplomat. And let's be honest, even a true racist has conviction. Trump really has no convictions or a belief system to speak of. He runs his mouth without thinking and then looks around and hopes people like him for it. This is why his idiotic Tweets pander entirely to his core base and towards creating an imga eof proper diplomacy and statesmanship.
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If he said asshole countries like Belgium, Germany, Austria, the Netherlands, the UK and Scandinavia, nobody would have accused him of being a racist.

But he did not state those countries, he mentioned only countries with citizens who are of the non-white variety (almost fully).

If only he would have chucked in a few "non-colored" countries he would never be accused of racism in this.

And for a person with no racist "believe system" he says a lot of things that are "racist adjacent" on top of racism convictions for his renting of real estate (in the past sure but still).
 
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I wasn't even a sperm cell when President Johnson was in the Oval Office. Assuming I was there for it, I would probably be more concerned about the possibility of demographics manipulation than the actual quote.
 
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slick said:
Eventually hopefully it will all come out, I wouldn't be so sure certain of your interpretation of what was uttered if I were you.
My understanding was that he Trump used crude language describing a whole host of countries including some from Central America
not just Haiti & Africa. Everyone has known his stance on these issues for years that shouldn't shock you!
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Again, i don't care as much about the fact that he crudely insulted our allies, even though that damages international relations. What i care about is the why which, in this case, i find mortifying.

I hope the incident isn't true, but the President has lost his credibility by lying so profusely such that i trust Durbin and media reports far more.
 
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Peter King said:
If he said asshole countries like Belgium, Germany, Austria, the Netherlands, the UK and Scandinavia, nobody would have accused him of being a racist.

But he did not state those countries, he mentioned only countries with citizens who are of the non-white variety (almost fully).

If only he would have chucked in a few "non-colored" countries he would never be accused of racism in this.
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But the problem here is that all the countries that are wrecked with religious extremism, famine, poverty, and wide sweeping corruption are among the Third World. They also happen to be the non-white countries that were colonized for centuries and left in economic ruin. They are also the countries in which Americans and Soviets encouraged strongmen to create "stability" at all costs in order to deny the other from having influence. What we see today is a socioeconomic disaster that greatly helps to define these countries, in which are mostly all populated by people of color.

Now, as I stated, I don't believe Trump has the capacity to understand the real world so I do not know exactly if merely denigrating color was behind his use of "**** hole" as a descriptor.

Peter King said:
And for a person with no racist "believe system" he says a lot of things that are "racist adjacent" on top of racism convictions for his renting of real estate (in the past sure but still).
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I don't know. Steve Bannon? - Obvious racist and calculated in his thought process to define himself as such. Trump? Probably just an ignorant moron who is used to running his mouth his whole life and cutting a check to avoid what his words even mean.
 
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