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Is deporting someone from the U.S. punishment?

Is deportation punishment?


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To further your analogy, if you don't belong to the club and the life guard throws you out, then you are being removed, not punished.

You're not furthering it, you don't get it.
 
I would imagine that there are those who would consider deportation a blessing.

Why? They came here illegally and are staying illegally. They could just... you know... LEAVE!
 
You're not furthering it, you don't get it.

No...all of us get it.....but I do believe that somewhere in your mind you have confused deportation with transportation as it was once practiced by the UK.

These people are being sent home, not to a penal colony.
 
No...all of us get it.....but I do believe that somewhere in your mind you have confused deportation with transportation as it was once practiced by the UK.

These people are being sent home, not to a penal colony.

Nope: you don't get it. It went way over your heads.
 
Nope: you don't get it. It went way over your heads.

If you are referring to the convoluted mental gymnastics that allowed you to arrive at the confusing conclusion that deportation equates to punishment, then yes, I am sure it is well beyond most peoples ability to comprehend.
 
Deportation is not punishment; it is following the law and therefore justice.

And we need a merit based immigration system like most other developed countries have. We have a surplus of home grown unskilled labor, no need to bring in more. This isn't the industrial revolution of a century ago. Now we need technicians. And minimum wage wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have millions of unskilled illegals willing to work for $5 per hour.
 
Obviously immigration is being talked about a lot right now and it's pretty common to refer to deportation as punishment. My understanding is that, legally, punishment doesn't actually start occurring until someone returns after deportation when someone might have to do actual prison time then get deported.

Regardless what the legalities are, I'd like to know if you consider deportation to be punishment and why or why not?

I voted other but I should have voted sometimes.

Deporting people that are here illegally is not a punishment anymore than removing a trespasser from your home is. They are trespassers and therefore have no right to be in the country.

Deporting someone who came here legally and is staying here legally for a criminal offense they committed is a punishment. Because in a sense they earned the privilege to be here whether its temporary stay or a permanent stay.
 
Sometimes, as in the case of Jorgé Garcia, it's banishment.
 
Why? They came here illegally and are staying illegally. They could just... you know... LEAVE!

South of the border folks are big on the family. Like having grands, aunts, uncles, and cousins all living on the same Hacienda. This produces many 17-40 year-olds that are capable of going to the US and working to send money home to support everyone.

My friend Chencho was deported so many times that the family decided to let him stay home and work on the ranch. It costs money to pay the border guards to get across.

I was thinking of him when I posted. I'll bet he was tired of being detained and shipped out. Not to mention shrugging off slurs that he pretended not to understand.
 
South of the border folks are big on the family. Like having grands, aunts, uncles, and cousins all living on the same Hacienda. This produces many 17-40 year-olds that are capable of going to the US and working to send money home to support everyone.

My friend Chencho was deported so many times that the family decided to let him stay home and work on the ranch. It costs money to pay the border guards to get across.

I was thinking of him when I posted. I'll bet he was tired of being detained and shipped out. Not to mention shrugging off slurs that he pretended not to understand.

Then maybe he ought to obey our laws and stay home? Maybe he should have ALWAYS done that. I know that's hard to comprehend, but...
 
It depends on whether they have had legal status for years, and/or decades. If so, and if their legal status has been revoked only because laws have been changed to alter their status, then even though the deportation is a law enforcement process, it is clearly punishment for those involved and their families.

If they are here illegally, are not currently in the process of pursuing legal resident status, deportation is enforcing current immigration laws and to enforce border security.
 
That would be harsh. If the child was brought up believing all was legit but turned out not to be, they'd seem more like a victim of the fraud rather than the perpetrator.

Exactly. Those are the "Dreamers", all of whom have had protected status, but would lose that protection and be subject to deportation if DACA is revoked.
 
If I like my neighbor's s pool better than my own and sneak into their backyard to swim in it without permission, am I being punished when told to leave?

No. However, if you're told specifically not to use their pool and you use it anyway, that's legally a trespass. You can be arrested, which I would consider punishment.
 
I know exactly what I am talking about.

You fantasy about racist cope that just pull over black drivers, is just that, a fantasy.

Actually, it's not a fantasy at all. Joe Arpaio was convicted and sentenced because his sheriff's dept., at his direction, stopped drivers who had broken no laws specifically to check their citizenship; in Arizona, stopping anyone suspected of DWM (Driving While Mexican) was all too real.. That broke federal discrimination laws.

Trump pardoned the unrepentant felon, who's now running for the Senate, so I guess it's all good, right? :lol:
 
Exactly. Those are the "Dreamers", all of whom have had protected status, but would lose that protection and be subject to deportation if DACA is revoked.

I have to agree that if a 'certain amount of time' has expired and the person has established legalized roots and positive results, they should be automatically accepted. To deport such an individual is not towards this countries advantage.
 
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