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Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination? [W:388, 530]

Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

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Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

chuckiechan said:
I thought they wanted equality, not sainthood.
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Seems what you think doesnt make any sense nor is it true so again you are free to think and feel how you like, its meaningless :shrug:
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

DiAnna said:
I have no idea, but I'm fairly certain it will not happen under a GOP Administration and a GOP-led congress.

It should already be the law of the land, since anything otherwise is blatantly unconstitutional.
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Why is it the answer is always have the Feds take over? Why couldn't this be something that's done on a state by state basis as it's being done now?
 
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Waddy said:
Why is it the answer is always have the Feds take over? Why couldn't this be something that's done on a state by state basis as it's being done now?
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Well thats a pretty easy common sense answer IMO. Because equal protection is a fed thing when its not being done or its being violated. (if thats found to be the case) Thats one of thier main purposes. States overstep thier powers or violate the people and then the fed fixes that issue. If it didn't work that way or a least that wasn't an option the system would be broken. Its exactly how it was designed. The states have power to control most things (like they should) but they cant just do what ever they want.

If state "A" decided that christians, blacks or women cant vote anymore should we allow that? How do we protect them in state "A" without the fed?
 
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AGENT J said:
Well thats a pretty easy common sense answer IMO. Because equal protection is a fed thing when its not being done or its being violated. (if thats found to be the case) Thats one of thier main purposes. States overstep thier powers or violate the people and then the fed fixes that issue. If it didn't work that way or a least that wasn't an option the system would be broken. Its exactly how it was designed. The states have power to control most things (like they should) but they cant just do what ever they want.

If state "A" decided that christians, blacks or women cant vote anymore should we allow that? How do we protect them in state "A" without the fed?
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By your reasoning, everything should be under federal control.
 
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Gaea said:
You mean, extremists like Neil Gorsuch?
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Gorsuch? Please...the only extremists on the SC are Ginsberg and Kagan.
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

The whole sexual orientation thing is a fad.
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

Waddy said:
By your reasoning, everything should be under federal control.
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????? what? lol How did you even come to that conclusion? Sorry I thought I was talking to an american. Thats not at all what was said in my post if you were from this country and understood how rights, laws, government and the constitution works. Everything is most certainly NOT under the equal protection clause.Not to mention its not "my" reasoning its just how american government works by design.

Ohio wants a speed limit of 75 and PA wants one of 65 . . fine
one state wants to have state police and one wants to have all sheriffs fine
one states wants to have a luxury state tax and another state sales tax, fine
etc etc

But like my previous example if a state makes a law that christians, blacks or women cant vote anymore that does fall under that protection and the fed is who has to fix it.

Otherwise it would be anarchy... the states could just do whatever they want and our rights would be meaningless without a system to protect them and keep state and fed in check.

If you think its a bad system explain how your country works or explains what there should be in place to help if a state did pass a law saying christians, blacks or women cant vote anymore, what should happen?
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

AGENT J said:
even then i dont think its a real issue. Millions of republicans support equal rights. They would have to get a lot of extremists on the court.
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Not sure what delusional world you live in, but the number of Republicans who do not support equal rights radically outnumbers the few Republicans that might be okay with it. Extremists don't just exist in the Republican party they control it.
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

Elvira said:
Is that not a sexual orientation? You open the door for one, you have to open it for all...
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It is all about consent. If an adult man has a sexual relationship with another adult man, then they are both adults and can thus consent to the relationship with each other. if an adult woman engages into a sexual relationship with another adult woman, then once again, they are both adults and can thus consent to the relationship with each other.

In contrast, if an adult engages in sexual activity with a child, the child cannot consent to that activity because they are a child. Similarly, if an adult engages in sexual activity with an animal, the animal cannot consent to that activity.

Do you not see the difference now?
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

MrWonka said:
Not sure what delusional world you live in, but the number of Republicans who do not support equal rights radically outnumbers the few Republicans that might be okay with it. Extremists don't just exist in the Republican party they control it.
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I live in the real world, not the one on the "internets" and like i said millions of republicans support equal rights :shrug:
 
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AGENT J said:
I live in the real world, not the one on the "internets" and like i said millions of republicans support equal rights :shrug:
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You know that there are multiple millions of people who identify as Republican right? 30 million Republicans can oppose equal rights while 2 million support it. The 30 million bigots are going to win that argument.
 
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MrWonka said:
You know that there are multiple millions of people who identify as Republican right? 30 million Republicans can oppose equal rights while 2 million support it. The 30 million bigots are going to win that argument.
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You know that doesn't change the accuracy of my statement right? lol

oh are you trying to argue a made up scenario (strawman) that i never said? good luck.

my statement remains true, "millions of republicans support equal rights." :shrug:
if you would like to debate that and prove its wrong have at it, id love to see the numbers that factually show only 1,999,999 or less republicans believe in equal rights.
 
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AGENT J said:
You know that doesn't change the accuracy of my statement right? lol
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No, it changes the meaning of your statement. You said that because millions of Republicans support equal rights we don't have to worry about them infringing upon them. You're wrong, because while millions of Republicans might support equal rights about 15x more Republicans are against them.

There are millions of Republicans that hate Donald Trump, but he is still President, and most of the Republicans who hate him still voted for him.
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

SouthernDemocrat said:
It is all about consent. If an adult man has a sexual relationship with another adult man, then they are both adults and can thus consent to the relationship with each other. if an adult woman engages into a sexual relationship with another adult woman, then once again, they are both adults and can thus consent to the relationship with each other.

In contrast, if an adult engages in sexual activity with a child, the child cannot consent to that activity because they are a child. Similarly, if an adult engages in sexual activity with an animal, the animal cannot consent to that activity.

Do you not see the difference now?
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This is a ****ing joke, right? Elvira argued that DNA wasn't mentioned in the bible, because it's not important to what we must know. This is not a person for whom nuances, science and legal concepts are relevant.
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

AGENT J said:
1.) As for an amendment of going through them I agree 100% Di but it also depends on how much people fight against equal rights. Like with gay marriage, States and cities made lots of laws AGAINST IT, so that give somethign for people to challenge in court due to equal protection. If enough of these people try to make laws preempting equal rights and trying to stop it then it can happen based on that.

2.) I agree it should be law of the land already, the fact that its not in 2018 is embarrassing for our country.
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The fact it needs to be is more embarrassing.
 
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MrWonka said:
1.)No, it changes the meaning of your statement.
2.) You said that because millions of Republicans support equal rights we don't have to worry about them infringing upon them. You're wrong, because while millions of
3.) Republicans might support equal rights about 15x more Republicans are against them.
4.) There are millions of Republicans that hate Donald Trump, but he is still President, and most of the Republicans who hate him still voted for him.
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1.) no it factually doesnt change the meaning of MY ACTUAL statement at all. In only changes the meaning of the made up strawman in your head of what you want my statement to have said but the reality is, it factually didnt say what you falsely claim.

2.) nope not wrong at all because I never said that one time. Thank you for proving yourself wrong though and showing us all what you made up in your head that was never actually said by me. The discussion i was having was about the COURTS and JDGES and I said:

AGENT J said:
Millions of republicans support equal rights. They would have to get a lot of extremists on the court.
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So again your strawman/mistake is simply wrong


3.) thanks for the unsupported and meaningless opinion that changes nothing about my factual statment
4.) thanks for another meaningless opinion that also changed nothing about my factual statement

so we are still in the same place. now that you have been thoroughly proven wrong and your strawman/mistake was exposed you can show honesty and integrity and either admit your mistake (we all make them)

or

you can keep denying it making your posts fail even harder, look more silly and dishonest then they originally did

pick one? :shrug:

fact remains millions of republicans support equal rights
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

Nilly said:
The fact it needs to be is more embarrassing.
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Wont get an argument out of me . . .
sadly though many laws and government involvements are about trying to keep people civil
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

AGENT J said:
I agree times do change! The medical science community learned more and thats what changed the times LMAO. You know that right? seems you post fails again :lamo
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If the medical community is learning about homosexuality then it MUST also be learning about pedophilia, so you actually proved his point. It is FACT that more scientists currently consider it an orientation.
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

Stopandthink said:
If the medical community is learning about homosexuality then it MUST also be learning about pedophilia, so you actually proved his point. It is FACT that more scientists currently consider it an orientation.
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They are learning about it like everything and they more recently deemed it to not be a sexual orientation, try to keep up LMAO
Maybe next time read everything and follow the whole discussion. So no his factually inaccurate claim and failed point still fail :lamo
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

AGENT J said:
1)They are learning about it like everything and they more recently deemed it to not be a sexual orientation, try to keep up LMAO
2)Maybe next time read everything and follow the whole discussion. 3)So no his factually inaccurate claim and failed point still fail :lamo
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1)who is "they"
2) its a short thread yet, I read every post
3)medical community is learning more about pedophilia, and more and more scientists are tending to understand it as an orientation.
I'm surprised this is news to you
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

AGENT J said:
????? what? lol How did you even come to that conclusion? Sorry I thought I was talking to an american. Thats not at all what was said in my post if you were from this country and understood how rights, laws, government and the constitution works. Everything is most certainly NOT under the equal protection clause.Not to mention its not "my" reasoning its just how american government works by design.

Ohio wants a speed limit of 75 and PA wants one of 65 . . fine
one state wants to have state police and one wants to have all sheriffs fine
one states wants to have a luxury state tax and another state sales tax, fine
etc etc

But like my previous example if a state makes a law that christians, blacks or women cant vote anymore that does fall under that protection and the fed is who has to fix it.

Otherwise it would be anarchy... the states could just do whatever they want and our rights would be meaningless without a system to protect them and keep state and fed in check.

If you think its a bad system explain how your country works or explains what there should be in place to help if a state did pass a law saying christians, blacks or women cant vote anymore, what should happen?
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That's why we have a Supreme Court. It's called checks and balances. No need for the Feds to actually run everything.
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

Stopandthink said:
1)who is "they"
2) its a short thread yet, I read every post
3)medical community is learning more about pedophilia, and more and more scientists are tending to understand it as an orientation.
I'm surprised this is news to you
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1.) medical community
2.) then you didnt comprehend it too well. guess question number one proves that even more.
3.) the most recent and official act was deeming it wasn't :shrug:
and also if you read every post you would know there much more to the content here LMAO
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

Waddy said:
1.) That's why we have a Supreme Court. It's called checks and balances.
2.) No need for the Feds to actually run everything.
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1.) WTH? The Supreme court is the fed :lamo
2.) Again as just shown to you the Fed are not running everything by any measure. Please try to learn about how the united states, my country, works before you make any further comments
 
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Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

AGENT J said:
1.) medical community
2.) then you didnt comprehend it too well. guess question number one proves that even more.
3.) the most recent and official act was deeming it wasn't :shrug:
and also if you read every post you would know there much more to the content here LMAO
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1) a growing number of scientists of that group consider it an orientation
2) The point above is proving I comprehend it better than you do
3) Thank you counselor, AT ONE TIME HOMOSEXUALITY WASNT EITHER

Now go back to number one of this post and factually refute it so we can be done here. Thanks
 
Re: Sexual Orientation, how long before its nationally protected from discrimination?

Hatuey said:
This is a ****ing joke, right? Elvira argued that DNA wasn't mentioned in the bible, because it's not important to what we must know. This is not a person for whom nuances, science and legal concepts are relevant.
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Why don't you quote my whole comment...it's not important in order to gain everlasting life, so stop being dishonest...the moment knowledge about your DNA grants you that, please let us know...:roll:
 
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