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Genderless Babies- Good Thing or Bad?

Is California's new 'genderless' baby law a good or bad thing?

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truthatallcost said:
Your perception of reality is nonsensical to all but a few patients in a certain wing of Bellevue.
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Please prove your position on gender with sufficient supporting documentation.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Sounds kooky on the surface, but that's not something that I really care about. It's just an option - one that I know my parents wouldn't have elected to use, lol.
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Yeah, and there are more important issues at hand in California anyways.
 
antiquity said:
How is gender confusing an improvement to society? Doesn't if create more confusion.
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It's good training for your confusion tolerance.
 
truthatallcost said:
One of the new laws taking effect this January in California, is one that states parents will no longer be required to state the gender of new borns when filling out the birth certificate:



I personally think all of our modern day adult neurosis concerning gender, race, sexism and other psycho-babble crap du jour issues should be kept out of the lives of children.
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https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/january/ten-year-old-drag-queen-launches-drag-club-for-kids

Yeah.. Good luck with that.
 
Phys251 said:
Please prove your position on gender with sufficient supporting documentation.
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I guess it's back to kindergarten for you...OK.

Boys have a pee pee while girls have a hoo hoo!

Can you guess which one is a boy, and which one is a girl?

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*these are toy dolls, no one freak out
 
Marco Montana said:
I don't think having girls act like boys and boys act like girls at an influential age as an improvement to society! You're basically committing Child Abuse, and setting this child up for a horrible life of bullying, and separatism, confusion, and depression!
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Are you saying children should be punished for acting outside arbitrary gender roles?
 
truthatallcost said:
I guess it's back to kindergarten for you...OK.
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And right off the bat we get childish insults. Way to make your position look stronger. :lol:

Boys have a pee pee while girls have a hoo hoo!

Can you guess which one is a boy, and which one is a girl?

*these are toy dolls, no one freak out
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Congratulations, you just defined the endpoints of the spectrum. Now please prove with supporting documentation that everything in between is the empty set. You have not done this yet.
 
So long as there is a reason/justification for designating a baby as "nonbinary" (e.g. the infant is born hermaphroditic) I don't really see a problem with it. The reason for the record is to help in identifying the person, and I see no harm in making that information more accurate. I don't know that I would want to do that as a parent, but if others do, fine.
 
Taylor said:
So long as there is a reason/justification for designating a baby as "nonbinary" (e.g. the infant is born hermaphroditic) I don't really see a problem with it. The reason for the record is to help in identifying the person, and I see no harm in making that information more accurate. I don't know that I would want to do that as a parent, but if others do, fine.
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And then if you bump into one of those parents, how would you address their children? He? She? Or what?
 
Phys251 said:
And right off the bat we get childish insults. Way to make your position look stronger. :lol:



Congratulations, you just defined the endpoints of the spectrum. Now please prove with supporting documentation that everything in between is the empty set. You have not done this yet.
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It was a little joke, just trying to lighten the mood here a little.

The 'end points of the spectrum' happen to consist of the overwhelming majority of people. Abnormalities occur in every possible human trait or characteristic, and I'm fine with society becoming more accepting of those who are different. I'm not fine with trying to reclassify abnormal development as normal, or desirable.
 
truthatallcost said:
It was a little joke, just trying to lighten the mood here a little.
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It wasn't funny to anybody but you.

The 'end points of the spectrum' happen to consist of the overwhelming majority of people. Abnormalities occur in every possible human trait or characteristic, and I'm fine with society becoming more accepting of those who are different. I'm not fine with trying to reclassify abnormal development as normal, or desirable.
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Whatever it is you're trying to say, I'll be more than happy to entertain it after you provide compelling evidence to back it up. :)
 
Soopairik said:
And then if you bump into one of those parents, how would you address their children? He? She? Or what?
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Probably by whatever the baby appeared.
 
Phys251 said:
It wasn't funny to anybody but you.



Whatever it is you're trying to say, I'll be more than happy to entertain it after you provide compelling evidence to back it up. :)
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:doh You really need an outside source to prove that most people feel content with the gender they were born with?
 
truthatallcost said:
One of the new laws taking effect this January in California, is one that states parents will no longer be required to state the gender of new borns when filling out the birth certificate:



I personally think all of our modern day adult neurosis concerning gender, race, sexism and other psycho-babble crap du jour issues should be kept out of the lives of children.
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I understand the argument that it doesn't affect me if they simply leave gender blank on the form if the parents wish. And it doesn't. But how is that any different than saying that they shouldn't put hair color or eye color or race because the kid might want to change it later? If a boy grows up and wants to become a woman and go through that process I genuinely don't care. It makes that person happy and doesn't affect me so I'm glad for them. But pretending like a baby that is born with a dick can't just be called a boy is just crazy.

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truthatallcost said:
One of the new laws taking effect this January in California, is one that states parents will no longer be required to state the gender of new borns when filling out the birth certificate:



I personally think all of our modern day adult neurosis concerning gender, race, sexism and other psycho-babble crap du jour issues should be kept out of the lives of children.
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Bad.

This just encourages the loopy loons who go on about gender issues such as Gender "Fluidity" and the like of the SJW crackpots . Giving into the wacky ideas of these social nitwits just gives them a bigger soapbox to go on with the other whackball crap they come up with every other day.

California is like the uncle of the family who, when drunk, jumps on a table and sings bastardized Opera while wearing underwear on his head.
 
Taylor said:
Probably by whatever the baby appeared.
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Same, but it's a bit hard to distinguish a baby simply by looking at its face when it's early in development. I would most likely ask.
 
truthatallcost said:
:doh You really need an outside source to prove that most people feel content with the gender they were born with?
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You believe that there exist exactly two genders, right, and that current scientific evidence suggests as such, right? Shouldn't be that hard for you to provide some.

Or are you just spouting off an unsubstantiated opinion? Cause I'm not interested in that.
 
Why does it matter for babies? Why cant they grow up and be who they are?
 
Genders should be assumed at birth in correlation with sex simply due to the fact that most people identify positively with their sex. If they end up being transgender then deal with that later after puberty. The main reason for that is there are many reports coming out now of transgender women (biological men) not going through normal puberty due to hormone control resulting in them being unable to get sexual reconstruction surgeries since the reproductive organ does not grow to maturity.
 
Lursa said:
Why does it matter for babies? Why cant they grow up and be who they are?
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They can, and that's great. But when they're born, it's a good idea to mark M or F on their birth certificate.
 
Phys251 said:
You believe that there exist exactly two genders, right, and that current scientific evidence suggests as such, right? Shouldn't be that hard for you to provide some.

Or are you just spouting off an unsubstantiated opinion? Cause I'm not interested in that.
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Maybe you know more than I do on this issue. How many genders are there?
 
truthatallcost said:
They can, and that's great. But when they're born, it's a good idea to mark M or F on their birth certificate.
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Why?

Actually I dont disagree...there is a biological reality there. But why is it important? That is more my question.
 
Lursa said:
Why?

Actually I dont disagree...there is a biological reality there. But why is it important? That is more my question.
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For many reasons.

- keeping track of male & female births for record keeping/statistical information.
- being able to prove you're female in cases of job hiring, college admissions, etc.
- in order to get a passport you need to provide a birth certificate. A passport needs to have a definitive answer for Sex. Calling yourself a question mark doesn't work on a passport.
 
truthatallcost said:
For many reasons.

- keeping track of male & female births for record keeping/statistical information.
- being able to prove you're female in cases of job hiring, college admissions, etc.
- in order to get a passport you need to provide a birth certificate. A passport needs to have a definitive answer for Sex. Calling yourself a question mark doesn't work on a passport.
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The requirements for the latter 2 may change along with birth certificates. Again, the question needs to be asked: why is this info necessary?

I dont deny that recording genetic information is useful...may even be important...in a medical file. But not sure why on the birth cert.
 
Lursa said:
The requirements for the latter 2 may change along with birth certificates. Again, the question needs to be asked: why is this info necessary?
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I just answered why it's necessary. What 'may' happen isn't exactly relevant to the discussion. Lots of things 'may' happen.

I dont deny that recording genetic information is useful...may even be important...in a medical file. But not sure why on the birth cert.
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Look at it this way, is it really such a big deal to check the right gender box for your baby? If not checking the box results in some future medical mistake, or other problem, like not being able to get a scholarship to play women's sports, then you'll feel like a fool for making such a fuss over checking a box.
 
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