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Should we be paying for the rich?

Should our money be going to the rich?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 5.9%

  • No

    Votes: 25 73.5%

  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 7 20.6%
  • Total voters
    34
  • Poll closed .
I may be talking out of my ass he but it's my recollection that a lot of government contract jobs are very large scale. For a company to undertake them it needs to have deep pockets in the first place.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Then move somewhere that you don't have to pay any taxes at all...and let us know how life there is.
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There is none. Well, actually there are, but those places generally lack running water, free electricity, etc.
 
Soopairik said:
A terrible drought occurs and a farmer loses all his crops and animals. Explain how he is supposed to better himself to get his slice.
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Sorry, I don't do what ifs.
 
Josie said:
Insurance, emergency savings account.

Everyone should be putting back money to save for that day when the crap hits the fan - even if you can only save a little at a time.
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There are any number of ways to recover from this hypothetical situation. One is to purchase crop insurance. Your choice as to whether you choose to participate.
 
Soopairik said:
You could've just said you don't like confrontation.
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I could have, but I meant I don't do what ifs.

Meaningful confrontation I enjoy. I often learn something.
 
jimbo said:
I could have, but I meant I don't do what ifs.

Meaningful confrontation I enjoy. I often learn something.
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Okay, let's make this simple.

Why do you think poor people are poor?
 
Soopairik said:
Okay, let's make this simple.

Why do you think poor people are poor?
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Please tell why you think poor people are poor.
A poster then can reply if they agree or disagree with your view and state why.
 
azgreg said:
I may be talking out of my ass he but it's my recollection that a lot of government contract jobs are very large scale. For a company to undertake them it needs to have deep pockets in the first place.
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Depends on the size of the project. When I worked for BLM it was not uncommon for local small businesses get contracts for range fences, small thinning projects, recreational sites, trail building/maintenance, etc.

"Every federal government purchase with an anticipated value above the micro-purchase threshold of $3,500, and up to the Simplified Acquisition Threshold (SAT) of $150,000, is required to be automatically and exclusively set-aside for small businesses. There must be at least two or more (Rule of Two) responsible small business concerns that are competitive in terms of market prices, quality, and delivery for an automatic set-aside to occur. "

https://www.sba.gov/contracting/government-contracting-programs/what-small-business-set-aside
 
mike2810 said:
Depends on the size of the project. When I worked for BLM it was not uncommon for local small businesses get contracts for range fences, small thinning projects, recreational sites, trail building/maintenance, etc.

"Every federal government purchase with an anticipated value above the micro-purchase threshold of $3,500, and up to the Simplified Acquisition Threshold (SAT) of $150,000, is required to be automatically and exclusively set-aside for small businesses. There must be at least two or more (Rule of Two) responsible small business concerns that are competitive in terms of market prices, quality, and delivery for an automatic set-aside to occur. "

https://www.sba.gov/contracting/government-contracting-programs/what-small-business-set-aside
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Absolutely. There are a **** ton of those type contracts, and then there are the contracts like the one for the Sundt Group to help rebuild Kuwait. That single contract dwarfs thousands of the smaller ones.
 
azgreg said:
Absolutely. There are a **** ton of those type contracts, and then there are the contracts like the one for the Sundt Group to help rebuild Kuwait. That single contract dwarfs thousands of the smaller ones.
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In addition, much of the work on those huge products is performed by local smaller companies. It's much cheaper to sub everything to kocal companies than to bring in your own window washers and heavy equipment.
 
Soopairik said:
Okay, let's make this simple.

Why do you think poor people are poor?
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Answered already.

If they made any attempt to better themselves they'd have more money.

It's not my job to give them more pie. It's theirs to get their slice.

That's not the only reason, but it's a major one.
 
azgreg said:
Absolutely. There are a **** ton of those type contracts, and then there are the contracts like the one for the Sundt Group to help rebuild Kuwait. That single contract dwarfs thousands of the smaller ones.
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True.

Not all small businesses are capable of doing a "large" contracts with any guarantee of success.

example. A small specialty shop may be able to build a 10 wildland fire engines in a 6 month period. It is doubtful they could build 200 in a 6 month period. While a company light Freight Liner could and does.

It all comes down to the size of the project, the time line to complete the work and quality of the work.
 
jimbo said:
Answered already.

If they made any attempt to better themselves they'd have more money.

It's not my job to give them more pie. It's theirs to get their slice.

That's not the only reason, but it's a major one.
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People who are born in poor families generally stay poor. A guy works all day long in a mine and gets minimum wage. You think it's fair?
Poor people do not have the same resources to start out with as middle class or high income families. They can't afford good education because they are poor.
 
mike2810 said:
You do realize that even now the people making +200K pay 58.9% of the total federal income tax collected. When looking at people who make 100K or more per year the percentages goes up to 80.6% of all federal tax revenue.
Who pays U.S. income tax, and how much? | Pew Research Center

So how much more would you like these people to pay?
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They aren't the issue.
At this point someone making 200k/year is almost middle class, with how much stuff costs.
Hell, they should get a tax break, even.

The main issue is loopholes and subsidies that corporations use to pay almost no taxes or even get more back than they pay.
Next issue is loopholes and possibly tax rates for the rarefied few who make more money than the rest of the country put together.
After that there's not much of an issue with the tax system, really. Possibly the odd tweak here or there, but nothing major.
 
Soopairik said:
People who are born in poor families generally stay poor. A guy works all day long in a mine and gets minimum wage. You think it's fair?
Poor people do not have the same resources to start out with as middle class or high income families. They can't afford good education because they are poor.
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Nothing more than typical liberal excuses. The biggest reason is being told from an early age that they will never succeed. The parents, the community, the government all tell poor youth the same story. It's a cruel lie. College is available to to the poor. We spend far more on inner city education than on middle income education.

I've long been a strong advocate for vouchers. It's somewhat true that inner city kids get locked into poor schools. Put 10,000 each into the hands of parents, you'll see competition for the dollar. Increase competition you'll see better schools. Caring parents will seek the better schools. Undoubtedly some students without caring parents will the advantages on their own. You can't do much for those who will not try.
 
Soopairik said:
People who are born in poor families generally stay poor. A guy works all day long in a mine and gets minimum wage. You think it's fair?
Poor people do not have the same resources to start out with as middle class or high income families. They can't afford good education because they are poor.
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Wrong. I grew up poor. My dad barely made $20,000 a year and supported a wife and three kids. My parents cared about my education and were hard on me to do well in school. It was expected that I would go to college (only the 2nd person in my family to go) even though they had no money to help me pay for it. I got loans, grants and scholarships. I also worked a part-time job to help pay for college expenses. I graduated with my Masters degree (with honors) and now I'm NOT poor in the slightest. In fact, I paid off my $62,000 student loan debt all by myself 20 years early.
 
Josie said:
Insurance, emergency savings account.

Everyone should be putting back money to save for that day when the crap hits the fan - even if you can only save a little at a time.
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Oh - is it fairy tale hour? I forgot my tiara. I'll be back in a flash.

:roll:
 
Soopairik said:
A terrible drought occurs and a farmer loses all his crops and animals. Explain how he is supposed to better himself to get his slice.
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As a part owner in a Kansas farm I would say he should have had crop insurance and been in the futures market to hedge himself against drought. Nowadays only an idiot farms without financial protection.
 
Soopairik said:
People who are born in poor families generally stay poor. A guy works all day long in a mine and gets minimum wage. You think it's fair?
Poor people do not have the same resources to start out with as middle class or high income families. They can't afford good education because they are poor.
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Mine workers = minimum wage now days? :roll:

The average non salary mine worker makes about $21.00 per hour. Entry level around $14.00

https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Miner/Hourly_Rate

Every single poor person in this country with decent school grades can get into a trade school or some college if they are determined to go.
 
The top 5% pay about 53% of all federal income taxes but reported slightly more than 30% of all income. The top one percent paid 33.7% of all federal income taxes, actually a shift up from 32.3% before . The top 50% paid 94% of all federal income taxes collected by the federal government while the bottom 50% paid 3.6% of all federal income taxes collected which is less than before at 4.1%.
The above is the latest according to the Department of the Treasury office of Public Affairs Fact Sheet, titled 'Who pays the most individual Income taxes'?
 
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