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Are you tired of the perpetual state of war the US is in?

Are you tired of the constant state of war?


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We have an ongoing "War on Terror" that seems to have no end in sight. The Pentagon recently confirmed that we've got troops in Yemen. We had a proxy war in Syria that we lost. We're sending arms to Ukraine. There might be a war with North Korea for all we know. It seems that the people in power, be they Democrat or Republican, want the US to get involved in wars or to start wars.

Quite frankly, this is but one of the reasons why I don't consider Democrats and Republicans to be different from one another.

Interesting video on North Korea by the way.

 
the so called "war on terror" was designed to last a minimum of a half century; we already know this

'the people' had not a goddamn thing to do with this 'war on terror' ........... it was set-up by a very few of our 'so called leaders' ...............
 
Yes, I really don't want my taxes to go toward nation building. That being said, we need a robust defense.

However, I don't know where the line should be drawn other than getting rid of pork projects..such as building aircraft in your state that the Pentagon doesn't even want.
 
We have an ongoing "War on Terror" that seems to have no end in sight. The Pentagon recently confirmed that we've got troops in Yemen. We had a proxy war in Syria that we lost. We're sending arms to Ukraine. There might be a war with North Korea for all we know. It seems that the people in power, be they Democrat or Republican, want the US to get involved in wars or to start wars.

Quite frankly, this is but one of the reasons why I don't consider Democrats and Republicans to be different from one another.

Interesting video on North Korea by the way.



It’s a pity that the U.N. doesn’t step up to the plate, that its members don’t help keep the peace, would rather free ride or do harm. So yes. It is tiresome that we have to continuously create a semblance of security around the globe, while jerks can use the ignorance of so many to see it as the children of a thug Sie the police.
 
We have an ongoing "War on Terror" that seems to have no end in sight. The Pentagon recently confirmed that we've got troops in Yemen. We had a proxy war in Syria that we lost. We're sending arms to Ukraine. There might be a war with North Korea for all we know. It seems that the people in power, be they Democrat or Republican, want the US to get involved in wars or to start wars.

Quite frankly, this is but one of the reasons why I don't consider Democrats and Republicans to be different from one another.

Interesting video on North Korea by the way.

I see your video's from Ron Paul. Having done a bit of research on him, I'm deeply suspicious of anything and everything he says.

That being said, I just wish that we had Eisenhower as president again...because if one looks at the 1956 GOP party platform, one finds that it is in many ways very similar to Obama's 2012 party platform...

...and Eisenhower warned us all against the growing power of the military/industrial complex. He understood war better than most...and he hated it. It's time America took a history lesson in why Eisenhower hated war.
 
We have an ongoing "War on Terror" that seems to have no end in sight. The Pentagon recently confirmed that we've got troops in Yemen. We had a proxy war in Syria that we lost. We're sending arms to Ukraine. There might be a war with North Korea for all we know. It seems that the people in power, be they Democrat or Republican, want the US to get involved in wars or to start wars.

Quite frankly, this is but one of the reasons why I don't consider Democrats and Republicans to be different from one another.

Interesting video on North Korea by the way.



What about Russia's military intervention in the Ukraine and its annexation of Crimea?
 
What about Russia's military intervention in the Ukraine and its annexation of Crimea?

Russia and the US should not be enemies. The reason why Russia has taken the actions that it has done is because it's afraid of being encircled by NATO. Either way, we should not be baby-sitting the world.
 
Russia and the US should not be enemies. The reason why Russia has taken the actions that it has done is because it's afraid of being encircled by NATO. Either way, we should not be baby-sitting the world.

I said nothing about Russia and the US being enemies. Why should Russia be allowed to occupy Crimea and Ukraine?
 
What about Russia's military intervention in the Ukraine and its annexation of Crimea?

That illegal warfare/occupation doesn't count or matter to the OP.
 
I said nothing about Russia and the US being enemies. Why should Russia be allowed to occupy Crimea and Ukraine?
I don't think they should, even if I believe that the US committed a coup against Ukraine.

That said, Crimea should go to Russia since the people of Crimea voted to reunite with that country.

Even so, I don't think we should get involved. We should be focusing on our own domestic issues.
 
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That illegal warfare/occupation doesn't count or matter to the OP.
It doesn't because it's not America's call. We already spend a lot on our military and it gets us nowhere. We should be focusing on our own domestic issues.
 
It doesn't because it's not America's call. We already spend a lot on our military and it gets us nowhere. We should be focusing on our own domestic issues.

I told you the people here would begin to correctly identify you, and they are.
 
I told you the people here would begin to correctly identify you, and they are.
With all due respect, the only person who seems to care is yourself.

I don't even know what you mean by "identify." What is my "identity?" What am I suppose to be? You don't explain yourself.
 
I see your video's from Ron Paul. Having done a bit of research on him, I'm deeply suspicious of anything and everything he says.

That being said, I just wish that we had Eisenhower as president again...because if one looks at the 1956 GOP party platform, one finds that it is in many ways very similar to Obama's 2012 party platform...

...and Eisenhower warned us all against the growing power of the military/industrial complex. He understood war better than most...and he hated it. It's time America took a history lesson in why Eisenhower hated war.

Eisenhower made his farewell/MIC speech on January 17, 1961, a mere twelve days before I was born. I have always been a bit miffed as to why Ike signed off on Operation AJAX; his words from January 1961 do not back him up on his actions, in that regard. Just another POTUS that talks **** & does something else .................
 
I don't think they should, even if I believe that the US committed a coup against Ukraine.

That said, Crimea should go to Russia since the people of Crimea voted to reunite with that country.

Even so, I don't think we should get involved. We should be focusing on our own domestic issues.

Yeah, that "vote" happened after Russia already took over Crimea. And we all know how fair and democratic Russia's elections are. Not surprisingly, "the legitimacy of the referendum has been questioned by the international community on both legal and procedural grounds."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

So bull**** "vote" aside, what gives Russia the right to take over other countries?
 
Yeah, that "vote" happened after Russia already took over Crimea. And we all know how fair and democratic Russia's elections are. Not surprisingly, "the legitimacy of the referendum has been questioned by the international community on both legal and procedural grounds."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

So bull**** "vote" aside, what gives Russia the right to take over other countries?
There is nothing showing that Russia's elections are any less fair than the elections here in the US. Regardless, Crimea is naturally Russian and voted to reunite with Russia. Is that quote from Wikipedia? I don't trust Wikipedia.

I don't think Russia has that right, but neither do I think that Russia has done that. Regardless, this isn't about Russia, but the United States.

And the United States should not be baby-sitting the entire world.

Do you agree?
 
There is nothing showing that Russia's elections are any less fair than the elections here in the US.

Sure, because challengers to the incumbent Presidential candidate in America are always getting poisoned and arrested, too.

Regardless, Crimea is naturally Russian and voted to reunite with Russia.

Is that quote from Wikipedia? I don't trust Wikipedia.

Tough. Russia invaded Crimea on February 27, and "voted" to reunite with Russia on March 16.

I don't think Russia has that right,

You just said, "Crimea should go to Russia..." and used a bull**** vote that nobody believes to support it.

but neither do I think that Russia has done that.

You don't think Russia invaded and took over Crimea? Hahahahahaha...okay.
 
Sure, because challengers to the incumbent Presidential candidate in America are always getting poisoned and arrested, too.



Tough. Russia invaded Crimea on February 27, and "voted" to reunite with Russia on March 16.



You just said, "Crimea should go to Russia..." and used a bull**** vote that nobody believes to support it.



You don't think Russia invaded and took over Crimea? Hahahahahaha...okay.

There's nothing showing that Putin has personally had somebody killed or poisoned. As for Russia, the Ukrainian government fell to a coup and thus, the current government isn't legitimate. But that said, Russia doesn't have the right to invade anybody. Even so, Crimea's vote should still be respected.

Please, could you address the topic of the thread?
 
It’s a pity that the U.N. doesn’t step up to the plate, that its members don’t help keep the peace, would rather free ride or do harm. So yes. It is tiresome that we have to continuously create a semblance of security around the globe, while jerks can use the ignorance of so many to see it as the children of a thug Sie the police.

The UN is most of the problem, not part of the solution.
 
There's nothing showing that Putin has personally had somebody killed or poisoned. As for Russia, the Ukrainian government fell to a coup and thus, the current government isn't legitimate. But that said, Russia doesn't have the right to invade anybody. Even so, Crimea's vote should still be respected.

The Russian vote in Crimea was held under Russian military occupation.

Russian-Military-Blocks-Interim-Ukrainian-Government-From-Enforcing-National-Law-in-Criminal-Crimean-Referendum.jpg


Armed and masked Russian soldiers surrounding the parliament building in Crimea
 
The Russian vote in Crimea was held under Russian military occupation.

Russian-Military-Blocks-Interim-Ukrainian-Government-From-Enforcing-National-Law-in-Criminal-Crimean-Referendum.jpg


Armed and masked Russian soldiers surrounding the parliament building in Crimea

And the Crimeans' democratic vote should still be upheld. I don't think there's any proof of foul play in the vote.

Edit: Could you please explain how this relates to the topic at hand?
 
There's nothing showing that Putin has personally had somebody killed or poisoned. As for Russia, the Ukrainian government fell to a coup and thus, the current government isn't legitimate. But that said, Russia doesn't have the right to invade anybody. Even so, Crimea's vote should still be respected.

Please, could you address the topic of the thread?

Sure, 95% of Crimea wanted to reunite with Russia...after Russia used military means to annex it over two weeks earlier. Odd, that. You'd think that a country with a 95% pro-Russian majority would want to "reunite" before Russia resorted to military means. Why didn't they just send an evite instead?

10 critics of Vladimir Putin who wound up dead

10 critics of Vladimir Putin who wound up dead - Chicago Tribune
https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/03/europe/russia-putin-critics/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/world/europe/moscow-kremlin-silence-critics-poison.html

Be sure to take a tour of the Hermitage for me.
 
Sure, 95% of Crimea wanted to reunite with Russia...after Russia used military means to annex it over two weeks earlier. Odd, that. You'd think that a country with a 95% majority would want to "reunite" before Russia resorted to military means. Why didn't they just send an evite instead?

10 critics of Vladimir Putin who wound up dead

10 critics of Vladimir Putin who wound up dead - Chicago Tribune
https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/03/europe/russia-putin-critics/index.html

Be sure to take a tour of the Hermitage for me.

There is no proof that Vladimir Putin had a hand in those murders. I'm sure there are many people dying in Russia as we speak, just like there are many people dying in the United States. And as for Crimea, given the overwhelming vote to remain in Russia, I think that should be respected. Regardless, the presence of Russian Federation troops does not invalidate the vote.
 
And the Crimeans' democratic vote should still be upheld. I don't think there's any proof of foul play in the vote.

Edit: Could you please explain how this relates to the topic at hand?

Nobody but the Kremlin recognizes the legitimacy of that vote. See, here's the problem with autocrats: they tend to be highly narcissistic, and can't bear the perception of opposition even where it provides the imprimatur of legitimacy. That's why every dictator in every "election" wins with about 100% of the vote. Their ego just won't allow them to go with ~65% of the vote.
 
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Sure, 95% of Crimea wanted to reunite with Russia...after Russia used military means to annex it over two weeks earlier. Odd, that. You'd think that a country with a 95% pro-Russian majority would want to "reunite" before Russia resorted to military means. Why didn't they just send an evite instead?

10 critics of Vladimir Putin who wound up dead

10 critics of Vladimir Putin who wound up dead - Chicago Tribune
https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/03/europe/russia-putin-critics/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/world/europe/moscow-kremlin-silence-critics-poison.html

Be sure to take a tour of the Hermitage for me.

Cardinal, I think we're getting side-tracked. Please address the topic at hand. I'm eager to hear your thoughts on this.
 
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